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Who would you trade?

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Which of these player would you trade if you were Suns GM?

Dragic
20
21%
Bledsoe
15
16%
Thomas
40
42%
Green
10
10%
Somebody else
5
5%
Nobody, the rooster is not the problem
4
4%
I would rebuild the team
2
2%
 
Total votes: 96

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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#41 » by NavLDO » Fri Dec 5, 2014 7:58 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:We went from major rebuild project last year to suddenly delusions of championships.... Is it really terrible to wait a bit longer and see how things come together? I still think Len and TJ are going to be big for us. Are we patient enough to ride this year out and let them develop? Of course not. We want Kevin Love or Al Horford or whoever else.


Couldn't agree more! Those darn Americans and their "instant gratification" tendencies! Good thing I'm not like that! (While I scream at my laptop because the page took 4 seconds to load :lol: )

Seriously though, as hard as it is to be patient, we all do need to remember we are all of, what, 20 months removed from a 25-57 record. And since then, we have 4 1st Rd picks that need some time to develop, and 1 we are waiting a year or two for. And have you noticed they are at the 1, 2, 3, and 5 positions, with our 4 being a 2011 1st Rd pick. Granted, Goodwin may take another 1+ year and Ennis is 4th on the depth chart, but Len and TJ have some serious potential to hit big by next season. And Goodwin and Ennis may be ready to start by 2016, depending on Dragic/EB/IT's situation by then; but the point is, Goodwin was a project through and through, but he arguably has the highest ceiling of all the guys, but also the lowest floor.

I'd really like to see those guys get a chance to develop, and give Kieff a full year starting at the 4 to see if he can be a viable starter for the long term. I would never turn down an "Ibaka-level" 4 to bring in, but outside of an Ibaka, Love, etc. type of PF, I'm really not interested in what may be a slight upgrade to Kieff, or bringing in a Hibbert type of 5 that will just stunt Len's opportunities.

And if we end up drafting 13th or 14th again, I'm ok with that. Warren fell to us and he has a good chance to be a top NBA SF. Who knows what we might be able to get around that area again...or heck, a 14 and maybe the Lakers 7th or 8th pick may be enough to move us up to a top 5 pick again.
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#42 » by Scutt » Fri Dec 5, 2014 8:37 pm

I wish we just never signed IT and never brought back PJ. I want to see the Suns lineup look something like this:

Bledsoe/ Dragic/ Green/ Kieff/ Len
Ennis/ Goodwin/ Warren/ Marcus/ Plumlee
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#43 » by MrMiyagi » Fri Dec 5, 2014 10:32 pm

NavLDO wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:We went from major rebuild project last year to suddenly delusions of championships.... Is it really terrible to wait a bit longer and see how things come together? I still think Len and TJ are going to be big for us. Are we patient enough to ride this year out and let them develop? Of course not. We want Kevin Love or Al Horford or whoever else.


Couldn't agree more! Those darn Americans and their "instant gratification" tendencies! Good thing I'm not like that! (While I scream at my laptop because the page took 4 seconds to load :lol: )

Seriously though, as hard as it is to be patient, we all do need to remember we are all of, what, 20 months removed from a 25-57 record. And since then, we have 4 1st Rd picks that need some time to develop, and 1 we are waiting a year or two for. And have you noticed they are at the 1, 2, 3, and 5 positions, with our 4 being a 2011 1st Rd pick. Granted, Goodwin may take another 1+ year and Ennis is 4th on the depth chart, but Len and TJ have some serious potential to hit big by next season. And Goodwin and Ennis may be ready to start by 2016, depending on Dragic/EB/IT's situation by then; but the point is, Goodwin was a project through and through, but he arguably has the highest ceiling of all the guys, but also the lowest floor.

I'd really like to see those guys get a chance to develop, and give Kieff a full year starting at the 4 to see if he can be a viable starter for the long term. I would never turn down an "Ibaka-level" 4 to bring in, but outside of an Ibaka, Love, etc. type of PF, I'm really not interested in what may be a slight upgrade to Kieff, or bringing in a Hibbert type of 5 that will just stunt Len's opportunities.

And if we end up drafting 13th or 14th again, I'm ok with that. Warren fell to us and he has a good chance to be a top NBA SF. Who knows what we might be able to get around that area again...or heck, a 14 and maybe the Lakers 7th or 8th pick may be enough to move us up to a top 5 pick again.


Yup. I don't think people are realizing how well Kieff is doing. I know it's an imperfect comparison, but if you look at Kieff's numbers per 36 minutes this season so far and LMA's from his first full season starting, you'll find they are quite similar.

LMA (22 years-old)
18.3 points, 7.9 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.3 blocks, 48.4% FG%
Kieff (25 years-old)
17.3 points, 7.4 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 1.0 blocks, 48% FG%
SHAZAM!

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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#44 » by bigfoot » Sat Dec 6, 2014 4:50 am

No trade needed yet. The Suns are young and learning to play together. They haven't quite learned to take all their opponents seriously. Fiver losses to Utah, Sacramento, Charlotte, Orlando, and Denver. These are the games they must win to be elite. If those were wins we would be 17-3.
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#45 » by Zelaznyrules » Sat Dec 6, 2014 6:23 am

bigfoot wrote:No trade needed yet. The Suns are young and learning to play together. They haven't quite learned to take all their opponents seriously. Fiver losses to Utah, Sacramento, Charlotte, Orlando, and Denver. These are the games they must win to be elite. If those were wins we would be 17-3.


It would have been nice to win all 5 of those games but the 2 losses at home to Orlando and Charlotte are the real killers.
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#46 » by RunDogGun » Sat Dec 6, 2014 7:40 am

bigfoot wrote:No trade needed yet. The Suns are young and learning to play together. They haven't quite learned to take all their opponents seriously. Fiver losses to Utah, Sacramento, Charlotte, Orlando, and Denver. These are the games they must win to be elite. If those were wins we would be 17-3.


Plus many of our losses were games where the other team shot significantly more free throws than us. It's kind of tough to blame the roster for that.
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#47 » by asudevil » Sun Dec 7, 2014 2:15 am

Scutt wrote:I wish we just never signed IT and never brought back PJ. I want to see the Suns lineup look something like this:

Bledsoe/ Dragic/ Green/ Kieff/ Len
Ennis/ Goodwin/ Warren/ Marcus/ Plumlee


i think the reason we signed them was simple. We had cap space that would essentially vanish. Resigning Dragic/Green on top of already resigning Kieff/Marcus/Bledsoe was going to leave us with less than max cap space after this season. We had to use it or lose it. Thomas/PJ are both assets. Neither are on terrible contracts, and can hopefully be packaged together to bolster the roster.
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#48 » by RaisingArizona » Sun Dec 7, 2014 11:17 am

3-3 without IT. He isn't the problem. The lack of a center who can score for us down low, rebound, and defend the post clearly is. Len is still a project and Plumlee has to be the worst starting 5 in the league.
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#49 » by Bogyo » Sun Dec 7, 2014 11:18 am

asudevil wrote:
Scutt wrote:I wish we just never signed IT and never brought back PJ. I want to see the Suns lineup look something like this:

Bledsoe/ Dragic/ Green/ Kieff/ Len
Ennis/ Goodwin/ Warren/ Marcus/ Plumlee


i think the reason we signed them was simple. We had cap space that would essentially vanish. Resigning Dragic/Green on top of already resigning Kieff/Marcus/Bledsoe was going to leave us with less than max cap space after this season. We had to use it or lose it. Thomas/PJ are both assets. Neither are on terrible contracts, and can hopefully be packaged together to bolster the roster.


Obviously. Best scenario is that they will be the 75 cents that we ll have to pay for the dollar, if/when we go for a disgruntled superstar. That way we don t have to gut the core of the team, and we are giving servicable players with great contracts to the counterparty...
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#50 » by JTrain » Mon Dec 8, 2014 9:41 pm

aIvin adams wrote: i hope he doesnt want more then lowry dollars... :x


That's what we said about Bledsoe. Next thing you know he's at the steakhouse with Riley, Sarver, $70 million in a briefcase and a Caesar salad.
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#51 » by JDLAW » Tue Dec 9, 2014 7:11 pm

asudevil wrote:
Scutt wrote:I wish we just never signed IT and never brought back PJ. I want to see the Suns lineup look something like this:

Bledsoe/ Dragic/ Green/ Kieff/ Len
Ennis/ Goodwin/ Warren/ Marcus/ Plumlee


i think the reason we signed them was simple. We had cap space that would essentially vanish. Resigning Dragic/Green on top of already resigning Kieff/Marcus/Bledsoe was going to leave us with less than max cap space after this season. We had to use it or lose it. Thomas/PJ are both assets. Neither are on terrible contracts, and can hopefully be packaged together to bolster the roster.


We are already at less than max cap space.
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#52 » by humblebum » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:01 pm

Celtics fan here.

Just wondering what your interest level would be in Rajon Rondo.

Celtics need scoring from the PG position and your team has three excellent scoring PG's. Ainge was reportedly the first person to call IT and I think he'd be a great fit. And of course McDonough worked with Ainge for years and was reportedly really high on Rondo.

Thoughts? Which of your three guards would you be most willing to deal?
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#53 » by Revived » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:59 pm

humblebum wrote:Celtics fan here.

Just wondering what your interest level would be in Rajon Rondo.

Celtics need scoring from the PG position and your team has three excellent scoring PG's. Ainge was reportedly the first person to call IT and I think he'd be a great fit. And of course McDonough worked with Ainge for years and was reportedly really high on Rondo.

Thoughts? Which of your three guards would you be most willing to deal?

Probably IT but I'm not sure trading for Rondo makes much sense for Phoenix.
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#54 » by Damkac » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:22 pm

humblebum wrote:Celtics fan here.

Just wondering what your interest level would be in Rajon Rondo.

Celtics need scoring from the PG position and your team has three excellent scoring PG's. Ainge was reportedly the first person to call IT and I think he'd be a great fit. And of course McDonough worked with Ainge for years and was reportedly really high on Rondo.

Thoughts? Which of your three guards would you be most willing to deal?

Thomas for Bass + pick?
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#55 » by WTFsunsFTW » Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:05 am

Multi team trade with rondo & IT as centerpieces imo
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#56 » by Han Solo » Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:58 am

Thomas for Greg Monroe?
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#57 » by bwgood77 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:24 am

I hope Thomas' isn't negatively impacting his trade value by acting disgruntled because he isn't starting because I don't think there is a team out there that would start him over who they have.

That would be funny if we traded him for Frye. I don't think Orlando would want him though because he doesn't get others involved on offense so he would stifle the young guys.
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Post#58 » by Revived » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:15 am

bwgood77 wrote:I hope Thomas' isn't negatively impacting his trade value by acting disgruntled because he isn't starting because I don't think there is a team out there that would start him over who they have.

That would be funny if we traded him for Frye. I don't think Orlando would want him though because he doesn't get others involved on offense so he would stifle the young guys.

Not true, I think both Detroit and Dallas, for starters, would start him over what they currently have.
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#59 » by RunDogGun » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:20 am

bwgood77 wrote:I hope Thomas' isn't negatively impacting his trade value by acting disgruntled because he isn't starting because I don't think there is a team out there that would start him over who they have.

That would be funny if we traded him for Frye. I don't think Orlando would want him though because he doesn't get others involved on offense so he would stifle the young guys.

It's been happening for years now. It seems like every time we start talking about trading a guy here, they start sucking. It's like they hear all the rumors and play poorly to make sure they don't get traded. Although 20 points off the bench isn't terrible by any means, and he did just come off an injury, but man it just seems ironic. I think Dudley was the same. We would talk about trading him, and then he couldn't make a basket for a week, Frye did the same thing.
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Re: Who would you trade? 

Post#60 » by bwgood77 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:21 am

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bwgood77 wrote:I hope Thomas' isn't negatively impacting his trade value by acting disgruntled because he isn't starting because I don't think there is a team out there that would start him over who they have.

That would be funny if we traded him for Frye. I don't think Orlando would want him though because he doesn't get others involved on offense so he would stifle the young guys.

Not true, I think both Detroit and Dallas, for starters, would start him over what they currently have.


Possibly, but I don't think Dallas really wants to take the ball out of Monta Ellis' and Dirk's hands much. I'm not sure who we could get from them, but if they'd take him for someone expiring soon, I'd do it.

Detroit maybe too, but what do they do with Jennings? Maybe NY too, but we likely won't get much from these teams that fit our needs.

We wouldn't be able to re-sign Monroe either (not that I want him anyway) unless we just let Dragic walk but that would be a step backwards.

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