Suns Moving Up in Draft?

[RunDogGun]

Denver shopping the #7?

[NaturalBuns]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe leave, but I really hope it's not for Porzingis. Dude has bust written all over him, I really think McD is smarter than that. He has won every trade he has done so far so Porz sounds like a smoke screen. I don't think #13 + Bled = #4. I think we keep #13 if and move the 2nd rounder in this case.

I can see McD setting up something like this, where Suns obtain #4 for Bledsoe. Then he uses the pick to secure Kaminsky, and then takes Dekker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Booker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Lyles at #13.

I thought he stunk the trade deadline up

[Stix]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe leave, but I really hope it's not for Porzingis. Dude has bust written all over him, I really think McD is smarter than that. He has won every trade he has done so far so Porz sounds like a smoke screen. I don't think #13 + Bled = #4. I think we keep #13 if and move the 2nd rounder in this case.

I can see McD setting up something like this, where Suns obtain #4 for Bledsoe. Then he uses the pick to secure Kaminsky, and then takes Dekker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Booker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Lyles at #13.

You don't want to trade Bledsoe for Porzingis but want to trade him for Kaminsky?

Where did I say that I WANT that to happen? I am simply trying to predict McD's draft strategy if he were to make a move like Bledsoe for the #4. I really think the only reason he would want to pick up the #4 would be to draft a pair of players from the same team.

Out of all those scenarios/combinations... I like WCS + Booker the most. WCS for his high floor, and Booker for his high ceiling.

[Stix]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe leave, but I really hope it's not for Porzingis. Dude has bust written all over him, I really think McD is smarter than that. He has won every trade he has done so far so Porz sounds like a smoke screen. I don't think #13 + Bled = #4. I think we keep #13 if and move the 2nd rounder in this case.

I can see McD setting up something like this, where Suns obtain #4 for Bledsoe. Then he uses the pick to secure Kaminsky, and then takes Dekker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Booker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Lyles at #13.

Kaminksy at 4?!!! Decker at 13?! We could simply trade for Indy's 11th pick and get both. Talk about reaching. This would set our franchise back half a decade.

Just trying to read McD's mind here. He is a guy that is known to reach in drafts and Kaminsky at #4 is not really much of a reach... Dude did have dinner with the Knicks after all. And Dekker less so at #13... I've seen draft boards having us taking Dekker at #13. I don't really understand the overreaction here, this draft is pretty much a crapshoot outside of Towns. There may be another one or two all-star calibur players in the lottery but Towns is the only sure thing.

Also, how do you know that the Pacers are even willing to give up their pick? Maybe the Knicks are the only ones willing to play ball.

[Stix]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe leave, but I really hope it's not for Porzingis. Dude has bust written all over him, I really think McD is smarter than that. He has won every trade he has done so far so Porz sounds like a smoke screen. I don't think #13 + Bled = #4. I think we keep #13 if and move the 2nd rounder in this case.

I can see McD setting up something like this, where Suns obtain #4 for Bledsoe. Then he uses the pick to secure Kaminsky, and then takes Dekker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Booker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Lyles at #13.

I thought he stunk the trade deadline up

I guess it really depends on how you look at the Dragic situation. If he was willing to stay then yeah, but it sounds like he was as good as gone the first chance he got. Eventually he would have went to Miami either way. With the contract they just offered him, sounds like Riley is balldeep in love with him. So we it's good we got something back for him while we could, so it's a win in my book. Knight for the Laker pick that ended up being #2 anyway. Good deal. Thomas, Ennis, and Plumlee were all expendable. His deadline moves were a wash at worst in my opinion.

[Stix]

Denver shopping the #7?

Where's your sauce?

Don't think we have much to offer. Doubt they want the twins.

[lilfishi22]

#4 for Kaminsky would be a reach when there's a possibility (although unlikely) he may drop to #13 so I don't see the point of trading Bledsoe for Kaminsky.

[Stix]

#4 for Kaminsky would be a reach when there's a possibility (although unlikely) he may drop to #13 so I don't see the point of trading Bledsoe for Kaminsky.

You missed my point in pairing the players from the same team. You don't make much sense, you say an scenario where he drops to 13 is unlikely yet see no point in making a trade to obtain him? Also, who even knows if Bled is even part of the deal, if there even is a deal? It was all speculation.

I'm not really sold on Kaminsky, it just seems like something McD would cook up. I'm more convinced that it would be two Kentucky players than the Wisconsin pair. I can see why teams would want Kaminsky though, good size and great skillset for a big man - he would fit in with the Knicks triangle O for sure. I wouldn't be that surprised to see him go #4 at all.

[lilfishi22]

#4 for Kaminsky would be a reach when there's a possibility (although unlikely) he may drop to #13 so I don't see the point of trading Bledsoe for Kaminsky.

You missed my point in pairing the players from the same team. You don't make much sense, you say an scenario where he drops to 13 is unlikely yet see no point in making a trade to obtain him? Also, who even knows if Bled is even part of the deal, if there even is a deal? It was all speculation.

I'm not really sold on Kaminsky, it just seems like something McD would cook up. I'm more convinced that it would be two Kentucky players than the Wisconsin pair. I can see why teams would want Kaminsky though, good size and great skillset for a big man - he would fit in with the Knicks triangle O for sure. I wouldn't be that surprised to see him go #4 at all.

You'll see small drops all the time but a drop from #4 to #13 is significant by draft standards. So the fact that we're even talking about Kaminsky at #13 means there's a chance he'll drop.

My gripe here is trading one of our best assets for a guy who might not even be good enough to stay in the top 10 in the draft. I have not seen a single mock draft having him in the top 5 and the highest I've actually seen him go is #9.

[Stix]

#4 for Kaminsky would be a reach when there's a possibility (although unlikely) he may drop to #13 so I don't see the point of trading Bledsoe for Kaminsky.

You missed my point in pairing the players from the same team. You don't make much sense, you say an scenario where he drops to 13 is unlikely yet see no point in making a trade to obtain him? Also, who even knows if Bled is even part of the deal, if there even is a deal? It was all speculation.

I'm not really sold on Kaminsky, it just seems like something McD would cook up. I'm more convinced that it would be two Kentucky players than the Wisconsin pair. I can see why teams would want Kaminsky though, good size and great skillset for a big man - he would fit in with the Knicks triangle O for sure. I wouldn't be that surprised to see him go #4 at all.

You'll see small drops all the time but a drop from #4 to #13 is significant by draft standards. So the fact that we're even talking about Kaminsky at #13 means there's a chance he'll drop.

My gripe here is trading one of our best assets for a guy who might not even be good enough to stay in the top 10 in the draft. I have not seen a single mock draft having him in the top 5 and the highest I've actually seen him go is #9.

Hmm... well if you're only going to acknowledge half my post I don't really know what else I can say. Is this some kind of troll attempt? You yourself say your would rather have #4 over Bledsoe in the draft thread...

I get this, but at the same time, with this team where it is, I want a GM who will acquire the most talent possible to put us in the best position to jump into contention as other teams age. Right now we're the 2nd best of the young western teams behind NO. We should strive to be 1st of those before worrying about contending against the GS's of the world. That said, people act as if GS was a team with a star before this season--Curry was seen as a good, but even when he signed his deal the narrative was that he was an overpaid player with an injury history. Many even thought on this board that the Suns shouldn't max him before his extension 2 years ago. Curry improved past age 25. Why can't Bledsoe? Hell, while many on here complain about him, Bledsoe has as much talent as many of the FAs and guys available at 4.

I'm not saying don't trade Bledsoe because it looks bad. I'm saying don't trade Bledsoe because 1. I'm not convinced there's a player at #4 that could turn into the impact player Bledsoe is and 2. It will not only set our rebuild back but it may completely derail if that rookie doesn't turn out to be great.

Essentially this trade is only acceptable in my books if we're sure (as possible)

Rookie > Bledsoe

If McD thinks Frank K is a sure thing, then does your opinion stay the same? I don't get it.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I'd only do Bledsoe (and junk) for Russell.

I don't think anyone else has the risk-reward worthwhile in this draft.

[lilfishi22]

Hmm... well if you're only going to acknowledge half my post I don't really know what else I can say. Is this some kind of troll attempt?You yourself say your would rather have #4 over Bledsoe in the draft thread...[b]

huh?

I never said I'd rather have #4 over Bledsoe lol when have I said that? I've said in all my posts that I'm not in favor of trading up with Bledsoe because I'm not convinced #4 would yield a better player than Bledsoe is right now. I've actually said this multiple times.

Also trading up with Bledsoe so you can have that pairing doesn't convince me either. It's a waste of a good asset.

I'm not saying don't trade Bledsoe because it looks bad. I'm saying don't trade Bledsoe because 1. I'm not convinced there's a player at #4 that could turn into the impact player Bledsoe is and 2. It will not only set our rebuild back but it may completely derail if that rookie doesn't turn out to be great.

Essentially this trade is only acceptable in my books if we're sure (as possible)

[b]Rookie > Bledsoe

If McD thinks Frank K is a sure thing, then does your opinion stay the same? I don't get it.

My opinion doesn't matter because it doesn't affect anything in the end. It's just my opinion that Kaminsky could be had at #13 so it's not worth trading up for the guy. If McD thinks he's worth it then I'll be happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[jcsunsfan]

The only reason that Kaminsky was talking to the Knicks is because they are considering trading down. No one is drafting Kaminsky at 4.

[Stix]

Frank is just as likely to get drafted at #4 than he is at #13 IMO.

[jcsunsfan]

Frank is just as likely to get drafted at #4 than he is at #13 IMO.

I assume you place no value whatsoever in mock drafts then.
cbs #12
Nbadraft.net #17
draftexpress.com #10
nba.com #13

No one has him going inside the top 10. So you are entitled to your opinion, but it is way outside the prevailing expert opinion.

[Stix]

Since when has a mock draft ever been 100% accurate or even remotely close to 90%? Truth is no one can really predict the draft order. I wouldn't want to be compared to these so called "experts" anyway. Like I said before, outside of Towns the talent level becomes a crapshoot, There isn't much difference in the players available between #4 and #13.

After Towns/Okafor, the next best bigs available are Porz, WCS, and guess who, Frank K.

How many draft boards had Anthony Bennett #1 overall in the '13 draft? Not many, if any.

[Stix]

The only reason that Kaminsky was talking to the Knicks is because they are considering trading down. No one is drafting Kaminsky at 4.

If that is the case, Kaminsky would be selected at 4... and then traded.

[RunDogGun]

Denver shopping the #7?

Where's your sauce?

Don't think we have much to offer. Doubt they want the twins.

My sauce is on the stovetop. but seriously, it was in the wiretap the other day. It said they were open to move the 7th and 57th.

[RunDogGun]

The only reason that Kaminsky was talking to the Knicks is because they are considering trading down. No one is drafting Kaminsky at 4.

If that is the case, Kaminsky would be selected at 4... and then traded.

Or someone else is drafted at four, and then traded to a team who drafts Frank later in the draft.

[RunDogGun]

So CBS news just put up an article saying we were inquiring about the #4 pick for Bledsoe. Man I really hope this story does damage any relationship with Bledsoe.