Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[AtheJ415]

Were getting no love on the GB. They really think the Mavs, Kings will be better than us.

I'd say no to Sactown due to their dysfunctional FO running their organization into the ground in addition to coaching turmoil since Karl coupled with primma donnas like Rondo and Boogie is a ticking time/meltdown waiting to happen. Mavs always have a shot with Carlisle but Dirk is nearing the end, Parsons is only a sidekick they have no legit bigs and a past his prime DWill is probably not the solution at P. All in and all we will be pretty bad imo and probably struggle to stay above .500 but still somehow find ourselves in the rat race for the eight seed .But the Jazz will be a defensive jugernaut with a progressing Exum and recovered Burks to go along with their formidable frontcourt will eventually pull away if they can step it up like they did last season after the break. We probably can't overcome the talent differential

MAvs have a max SF cming off of microfracture, a near-max SG coming off an achilles, and a 40 year old PF, plus Deron Williams I guess, and Zaza Pachulia. No freaking way they have a chance being better. We were projected to win 46 games after getting Tyson alone. Not to mention all our guys should be improved next year aside from PJ and Tyson b/c all are on the upside of their career.

[Sunsdeuce]

Yeah the Kings will figure out a way to be bad. Plus rondo is living off reputation right now. He just isn't any good anymore.

[Qwigglez]

Were getting no love on the GB. They really think the Mavs, Kings will be better than us.

Kings are dysfunctional. Rondo isn't gonna help them get over the hump.
I think the GB doesn't realize the impact that Tyson Chandler had for their roster. If they get a motivated Javale McGee then maybe he can do some things that Chandler did, but it's a huge x-factor. They also lost Monte Ellis who wasn't playing with heart, but is an injured Wes Mathews gonna replace his 19 points a game? I see the Mavs struggling offensively and defensively.
With our roster, our core guys are locked up with their contract so there should be no animosity towards teammates. Mirza might be playing for a new contract but I think he realizes he'll have a bench role. The only concern of mine is how Kieff is gonna play with his brother gone and the whole team (Bled/Knight/Tucker/Chandler) rooting for LMA to come to the Suns. I think he'll get over it, and I'm hoping Kieff will average 18/7 on 48.5% shooting (hopefully shoots above 34-35% from three). Most fans underrate our talent, and I think they don't realize how young are roster still is.

[Sunsdeuce]

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Two questions to this:
Danillo health?
What would Suns give up?

My guess markeiff but that really hurts because we have no PF depth at all.

Player name---------2015/16------2016/17
Danilo Gallinari ---$11,559,225----$0

So you know Danilo will want a max contract next year. So to think long term to keep him and still have money left for a max player, have to trade Tucker, markeiff, and someone else plus draft picks. Hard to accomplish.

[saintEscaton]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/insidersuns/status/620772675594522625[/tweet]

Two questions to this:
Danillo health?
What would Suns give up?

My guess markeiff but that really hurts because we have no PF depth at all.

Player name---------2015/16------2016/17
Danilo Gallinari ---$11,559,225----$0

So you know Danilo will want a max contract next year. So to think long term to keep him and still have money left for a max player, have to trade Tucker, markeiff, and someone else plus draft picks. Hard to accomplish.

Why? He would be redundant after we just signed Mirza. If we where to acquire another PF he should be able to hold up on the other and actually play like a big with a presence in the paint as an enforcer

[AtheJ415]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/insidersuns/status/620772675594522625[/tweet]

Two questions to this:
Danillo health?
What would Suns give up?

My guess markeiff but that really hurts because we have no PF depth at all.

Player name---------2015/16------2016/17
Danilo Gallinari ---$11,559,225----$0

So you know Danilo will want a max contract next year. So to think long term to keep him and still have money left for a max player, have to trade Tucker, markeiff, and someone else plus draft picks. Hard to accomplish.

Danilo only will get a max if he earns it. Far from it right now. I think it's easy--you trade Tucker. Unsure of what we have left to make that work salary wise though. I guess it may have to be Markieff if we really wanted him for matching purposes.

[AtheJ415]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/insidersuns/status/620772675594522625[/tweet]

Two questions to this:
Danillo health?
What would Suns give up?

My guess markeiff but that really hurts because we have no PF depth at all.

Player name---------2015/16------2016/17
Danilo Gallinari ---$11,559,225----$0

So you know Danilo will want a max contract next year. So to think long term to keep him and still have money left for a max player, have to trade Tucker, markeiff, and someone else plus draft picks. Hard to accomplish.

Why? He would be redundant after we just signed Mirza. If we where to acquire another PF he should be able to hold up on the other and actually play like a big with a presence in the paint as an enforcer

Well, Galo can play the 3 also, which our other guys don't do all that well. Also, he's just 26, so he could conceivably be a part of our core. I do agree though to an extent. What we have now may very well be better than what we'd end up with in such a trade, and I'm not sure we improve much this year. Maybe down the line if Danilo works out.

[tdjm]

Considering McD just cleared out three SFs and said that a big reason was to clear the way for Warren (Dave King's BSOTS interview), I can't imagine we want to give up assets on

1. A guy who plays the same position

2. Has had injury troubles

3. Isn't guaranteed to re-sign

(no he's not a pf, by the way. that is not a thing that should happen)

Denver's obviously not looking for Tucker type players in a rebuild, plus they just re-signed Wilson Chandler. Nothing about Gallo makes sense unless we're three teaming it with Tucker going somewhere else, and even then, this is the worst time in history to be giving up draft picks for players considering the draft pick salary is codified by the CBA and won't be making proportional jumps with player salaries so rooks are gonna be cheaper than ever

If we want him we should just target him in FA next year. Outside of Durant, the FA class is really bad

[Sunsdeuce]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/insidersuns/status/620772675594522625[/tweet]

Two questions to this:
Danillo health?
What would Suns give up?

My guess markeiff but that really hurts because we have no PF depth at all.

Player name---------2015/16------2016/17
Danilo Gallinari ---$11,559,225----$0

So you know Danilo will want a max contract next year. So to think long term to keep him and still have money left for a max player, have to trade Tucker, markeiff, and someone else plus draft picks. Hard to accomplish.

Danilo only will get a max if he earns it. Far from it right now. I think it's easy--you trade Tucker. Unsure of what we have left to make that work salary wise though. I guess it may have to be Markieff if we really wanted him for matching purposes.

We would get laughed at if we only offered Tucker. We would have to offer more.

[lilfishi22]

I feel right now our roster is pretty good. PF depth is a little weak but if Leuer and Telly can hold it down behind Kieff (big minutes) then we should be fine. Our SF depth is also pretty deep with Tucker, TJ and Weems so I wouldn't want to add a PJ3 type player who needs minutes to be a positive addition to the team.

Right now we're at

Bledsoe/Price/Archie
Knight/Weems/Archie or Booker
Tucker/TJ/Weems
Kieff/Telly/Leuer
Chandler/Len/Telly

I like Gallo but he is an injury concern and with only a year left on his deal, we'll have no guarantee he'll stick around after we have used assets to trade for him.

[bwgood77]

Were getting no love on the GB. They really think the Mavs, Kings will be better than us.

A lot of the fans here would think we would be better than the Kings if we swapped rosters. Cousins, Gay, Rondo and company could be pretty good. Personally it looks like Rondo is done, but if he can get back to what he once was, they could be decent, especially if McLemore takes another step. It seems like they were pretty good with Gay even when they played Collison. Then they also have WCS, but I don't know how good he will be.

Dallas is going to have a tough time, but if Deron Williams comes back a little bit as well as Matthews, that's a pretty good starting four. I don't know about Javale McGee but I think Carlisle is a solid coach.

We should be better than both, but I can see a lot of people thinking those teams will be better.

[Wannabe MEP]

Kieff for Gallo!!! Do it!!!!!



Start Gallo/Tucker as the 3/4 combo. Por favor por favor por favor ¡Dios mío!

[blacksun]

The talent level in the middle tier of the western conference is pretty close. Hopefully what separates us from them is good chemistry and understanding of player roles, and player improvements across the board esp, Knight, Bled, Warren, Kieff and Len. Im actually praying these guys come into training camp early like we did before the 2009-2010 season. I think it could help tremendously.

[carey]

Genius. Well done, Grantland.

Not sure who writes these but they are always really funny.

[letsgosuns]

Totally agree with other posters about trading Markieff for Gallinari. I think the Suns would have to throw in a pick though because the Nuggets are looking to rebuild. Start Gallinari at the four. Against teams with top power forwards, Tucker would guard those guys and Gallinari will guard whoever is playing the sf, and Chandler/Len will guard the center obviously. Having a guy like Gallinari at the four on offense would be the ultimate stretch player this team could have.

Bledsoe/Price
Knight/Goodwin/Booker
Tucker/Warren
Gallinari/Teletovic/Leuer
Chandler/Len

It is not like Markieff is a good defender or rebounder so you lose nothing defensively by replacing him with Gallinari. But you have everything to gain with Gallinari on the court at the four because it would force power forwards to guard him on the perimeter. Gallinari trailing on the play on fast breaks would change the entire team and open up so much. I always thought he was a great player. I would love to have him on the Suns. Like Cotton Fitzsimmons used to say, you can never have too many shooters. I wonder if McDonough can make it happen. I bet the Nuggets would do it for Markieff and one or two protected picks. I can see it happening.

[AtheJ415]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/insidersuns/status/620772675594522625[/tweet]

Two questions to this:
Danillo health?
What would Suns give up?

My guess markeiff but that really hurts because we have no PF depth at all.

Player name---------2015/16------2016/17
Danilo Gallinari ---$11,559,225----$0

So you know Danilo will want a max contract next year. So to think long term to keep him and still have money left for a max player, have to trade Tucker, markeiff, and someone else plus draft picks. Hard to accomplish.

Danilo only will get a max if he earns it. Far from it right now. I think it's easy--you trade Tucker. Unsure of what we have left to make that work salary wise though. I guess it may have to be Markieff if we really wanted him for matching purposes.

We would get laughed at if we only offered Tucker. We would have to offer more.

Maybe. Galo is someone they are attempting to partially salary dump. Even so, not saying TUcker alone. Just saying in the Tucker v. Morris question you trade Tucker. Really I shouldn't even have to respond because it should've been self-evident.

[RunandGunSuns]

I just found it odd that pj wasn't in the meeting with Aldridge..kinda makes you think if he's in McDs future plans or not..


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[RaisingArizona]

Kieff for Gallo!!! Do it!!!!!



Start Gallo/Tucker as the 3/4 combo. Por favor por favor por favor ¡Dios mío!

[RunandGunSuns]

I've always been a fan of Gallo
Bring his A** to Phoenix ha!

Kieff tucker and future pick for Faried and Gallo.. Get errr DONE McD


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[Cutter]

kieff plus pick for Gallo would be intriguing as hell. It would definitely stretch the floor, and Suns would count on Tyson and Alex to make up for the defensive deficiencies. Concerns would be with Gallo's health. He seems a little fragile, and him banging against PF's could exacerbate his injuries. However Suns medical team could offset the extra contact he receives every night and keep him healthy