Is Kieff dogging it?

[bwgood77]

I have a feeling kieff stays and wises up. Im sure his brother is feeding him on what to do and say

A big part of me thought that before today, and those Gambo rumors shouldn't have swayed my thoughts as much as they did, but it seemed to add up.

I still wouldn't be surprised if he is trying to respect his brother who is saying "**** the suns" so he is just not saying anything. But I guess he did have that tweet. But eventually he will have to wise up and play if he wants a career in the nba.

[sunsbum]

I have a feeling kieff stays and wises up. Im sure his brother is feeding him on what to do and say

A big part of me thought that before today, and those Gambo rumors shouldn't have swayed my thoughts as much as they did, but it seemed to add up.

I still wouldn't be surprised if he is trying to respect his brother who is saying "**** the suns" so he is just not saying anything. But I guess he did have that tweet. But eventually he will have to wise up and play if he wants a career in the nba.

are you guys kidding me?! Keef doesn't think for himself just like his brother doesn't. They think for each other, on the same wave link, probably milked off the same tittie. Most likely tapped the same ass, tunnel buddies. He doesn't want to be here...its so painfully obvious. I cant believe there is some fans that are somehow still in denial.

[bwgood77]

I have a feeling kieff stays and wises up. Im sure his brother is feeding him on what to do and say

A big part of me thought that before today, and those Gambo rumors shouldn't have swayed my thoughts as much as they did, but it seemed to add up.

I still wouldn't be surprised if he is trying to respect his brother who is saying "**** the suns" so he is just not saying anything. But I guess he did have that tweet. But eventually he will have to wise up and play if he wants a career in the nba.

are you guys kidding me?! Keef doesn't think for himself just like his brother doesn't. They think for each other, on the same wave link, probably milked off the same tittie. Most likely tapped the same ass, tunnel buddies. He doesn't want to be here...its so painfully obvious. I cant believe there is some fans that are somehow still in denial.

I wouldn't say I'm in denial. I'm just a guy who doesn't like to base my thoughts on assumptions. Like I said, it seems pretty obvious he wants to leave, but we haven't really heard any real good evidence of that. I've also been making other posts about what I would say to him if he wanted to be traded and who I would trade him for right now.

[sunsbum]

A big part of me thought that before today, and those Gambo rumors shouldn't have swayed my thoughts as much as they did, but it seemed to add up.

I still wouldn't be surprised if he is trying to respect his brother who is saying "**** the suns" so he is just not saying anything. But I guess he did have that tweet. But eventually he will have to wise up and play if he wants a career in the nba.

are you guys kidding me?! Keef doesn't think for himself just like his brother doesn't. They think for each other, on the same wave link, probably milked off the same tittie. Most likely tapped the same ass, tunnel buddies. He doesn't want to be here...its so painfully obvious. I cant believe there is some fans that are somehow still in denial.

I wouldn't say I'm in denial. I'm just a guy who doesn't like to base my thoughts on assumptions. Like I said, it seems pretty obvious he wants to leave, but we haven't really heard any real good evidence of that. I've also been making other posts about what I would say to him if he wanted to be traded and who I would trade him for right now.

#nolovelost. Listen, their stupid brand is called FAMILY OVER EVERYTHING. (this isnt directed at you just a blanket statement to all) but that right there tells you everything. We did his family "wrong", its over. Get Cody Zeller in here and lets go!!!1

[sunsbum]

Btw, speaking of KJ cards... I got in my hope chest a few weeks ago and found a prestine KJ Dream Team jersey of mine when I was in 8th grade. Saw one on ebay for like $150 dollars!! Keepin that though.

[Lindecision]

But eventually he will have to wise up and play if he wants a career in the nba.

I agree. Just not for the Suns.

As sunsbum said, if you wrong their family its over.

[bwgood77]

But eventually he will have to wise up and play if he wants a career in the nba.

I agree. Just not for the Suns.

As sunsbum said, if you wrong their family its over.

Well if they are only offered scraps there is no reason to trade him if they can just tell him to stay home unless he ends up getting his act together. If he is going to be an ass there is no reason to accommodate him to get players they don't need or don't fit. No reason to waive or stretch him if they still have to pay him anyway. Unless they get good value, I have a pretty good feeling McD will play hardball unless Sarver demands otherwise.

[aewyatt7]

I wouldn't say denial either. Just a lil hope of him getting his act together. Yes it's pretty clear that he wants out but it was just a hope. It sucks tho becuase i dont think we will get much back but MCD is pretty nice on his trades so far.

[aewyatt7]

Only rumors i have read is kieff for jeff green expiring contract and players...and that the raptors have interest in kieff

[Suns2k5]

Yep, I would love to get Bennett back in whatever package we get for Kief. Would probably hAve to be a 3 way, what does Minny need?

Why would it have to be a 3 way? I LOVE 3 ways or think I would but if they traded Bennett their PF rotation would be KG, Payne (raw) and Bjelica. They could use a solid scoring guy like him.

Remember our 3-way with JustaSunsGirl back in the day? I know you loved that one.

[NavLDO]

But eventually he will have to wise up and play if he wants a career in the nba.

I agree. Just not for the Suns.

As sunsbum said, if you wrong their family its over.

Well if they are only offered scraps there is no reason to trade him if they can just tell him to stay home unless he ends up getting his act together. If he is going to be an ass there is no reason to accommodate him to get players they don't need or don't fit. No reason to waive or stretch him if they still have to pay him anyway. Unless they get good value, I have a pretty good feeling McD will play hardball unless Sarver demands otherwise.

OK, "family over everything"--let's see how he feels about losing millions of dollars in the future? Does Kieff want to play 'hard ball'? Well, he has VERY little options in his hip pocket to 'deploy'.

If Kieff starts/continues to be a distraction, he'll be rotting in Phoenix for as long as it takes for him to realize that he's not getting out of here until he humbles himself somewhat to the point where he's tradable for an asset. Because if gripes and moans, no team will want him, and thus, no team will trade for him. McD is not in the business of 'paying' to get rid of a contract, and Sarver would be wise to let McD handle this. If Sarver steps in and 'demands' Morris to be traded/cut, regardless of what the Suns get in return, he'll just validate to the rest of the NBA execs that McD is only a puppet, and that, overall, is worse for his 'pocket' in the long run, than losing a portion of $8M until Kieff figures this out.

[Saberestar]

I agree. Just not for the Suns.

As sunsbum said, if you wrong their family its over.

Well if they are only offered scraps there is no reason to trade him if they can just tell him to stay home unless he ends up getting his act together. If he is going to be an ass there is no reason to accommodate him to get players they don't need or don't fit. No reason to waive or stretch him if they still have to pay him anyway. Unless they get good value, I have a pretty good feeling McD will play hardball unless Sarver demands otherwise.

OK, "family over everything"--let's see how he feels about losing millions of dollars in the future? Does Kieff want to play 'hard ball'? Well, he has VERY little options in his hip pocket to 'deploy'.

If Kieff starts/continues to be a distraction, he'll be rotting in Phoenix for as long as it takes for him to realize that he's not getting out of here until he humbles himself somewhat to the point where he's tradable for an asset. Because if gripes and moans, no team will want him, and thus, no team will trade for him. McD is not in the business of 'paying' to get rid of a contract, and Sarver would be wise to let McD handle this. If Sarver steps in and 'demands' Morris to be traded/cut, regardless of what the Suns get in return, he'll just validate to the rest of the NBA execs that McD is only a puppet, and that, overall, is worse for his 'pocket' in the long run, than losing a portion of $8M until Kieff figures this out.

"Losing millions of dollars in the future " is not an option here. His contract is guaranteed, he only needs to be with the team making absolutely the minimum of the minimum and that is all. He has FOUR guaranteed years...he only needs to play ball the last year of this contract to receive another good contract, that is the way the NBA works.

[oddity]

I feel like the best return we could get in a trade w Kieff would be in a 3 way (ironically ^) involving the Toronto Raptors. Toronto's weakest position is the 4 and getting Kieff would help them reach that next level they're desperately trying to reach. Ross is expendable w/ Carrol and DeRosen in front of him, and they can trade him to a third team in need of a 3/2 like Chicago. And the Bulls would have the incentive to trade one of their PFs to clear that logjam and fill a more important position.
I was thinking something like:

Phoenix out: Markieff Morris, PJ Tucker, 1st round pick via CLE.
Toronto out: Terrence Ross, James Johnson.
Chicago out: Nikola Mirotic, Cameron Baristow.

Chicago in: Terrence Ross, PJ Tucker, 1st round pick via CLE
Toronto in: Markieff Morris, Cameron Baristow
Phoenix in: Nikola Mirotic, James Johnson

Every team has incentive and fills needs in this trade. Tell me what you think.

[Fo-Real]

Guys, we are getting Kiefs attitude intertwined with his sisters again. While i am also mad at the situation, Kief has been enough of a professional about this to pass. He as a man decided he no longer wants to be here. He has his own reasons as to why he made that decision, we traded his sister, we tried to replace him, e got rid of Goran, maybe he dosnt like Bled or someone else, maybe a little or a lot of each reason and countless others. Its a buisness goes both ways. Unlike his **** sister, he DID NOT go loud and public. He has through channels has quietly let the Suns know that he dose not want to come back. He has kept his mouth shut otherwise, put his head down and worked on his game this summer i am assuming. During his exit interview he was asked what would happen if the Suns traded his sister, and he told them it would not be good, so this we do it anyway, try to bring in a replacement in Aldrege, and there are rumors thar to actually sign LMA, we would have to trade his salary. There are many reasons for him to not want to come back, and all he personally done is go quiet, and quietly contact the front office and ask not to be involved anymore. HE has been professional in this thing.

That said......F@#K him and get someone in here who wants to play for us! Shake his hand, say it sucks that it ended up like this and try to get some kind of assett that helps, not just dump him.

[aewyatt7]

I'm kind of all in for Taj Gibson. Not thrilled with his contract but I'll take him with another player tied in.

[NTB]

I want Taj too.

[bwgood77]

Why does everyone want Taj? You really think you can win in this league with no bigs who can hit the 3? Have you read Los Soles posts? Our guards could NEVER drive with a front court of Taj and Chandler, ESPECIALLY if Warren is playing and hasn't developed a 3 ball yet.

Now if Telly was good enough to start, and have Taj play with Len AND Len had developed his 3 pt shot, that could work, but that's a lot of ifs.

For trade value purposes and for player productivity, it might make sense to trade for Taj, but I'd probably then keep him on the block for a better fit, unless some of the above could work with certain lineups.

[NTB]

Why does everyone want Taj? You really think you can win in this league with no bigs who can hit the 3? Have you read Los Soles posts? Our guards could NEVER drive with a front court of Taj and Chandler, ESPECIALLY if Warren is playing and hasn't developed a 3 ball yet.

Now if Telly was good enough to start, and have Taj play with Len AND Len had developed his 3 pt shot, that could work, but that's a lot of ifs.

For trade value purposes and for player productivity, it might make sense to trade for Taj, but I'd probably then keep him on the block for a better fit, unless some of the above could work with certain lineups.

As I said earlier I want Taj to pair him with Len. Telly will start. And Los Soles would love Markieff-Frye trade I think

[bwgood77]

Why does everyone want Taj? You really think you can win in this league with no bigs who can hit the 3? Have you read Los Soles posts? Our guards could NEVER drive with a front court of Taj and Chandler, ESPECIALLY if Warren is playing and hasn't developed a 3 ball yet.

Now if Telly was good enough to start, and have Taj play with Len AND Len had developed his 3 pt shot, that could work, but that's a lot of ifs.

For trade value purposes and for player productivity, it might make sense to trade for Taj, but I'd probably then keep him on the block for a better fit, unless some of the above could work with certain lineups.

As I said earlier I want Taj to pair him with Len. Telly will start. And Los Soles would love Markieff-Frye trade I think

I suppose one positive with those pairings is that you have a pretty savvy vet paired with a younger guy in each frontcourt. We'd be pretty physical too.

[JYD]

I feel like the best return we could get in a trade w Kieff would be in a 3 way (ironically ^) involving the Toronto Raptors. Toronto's weakest position is the 4 and getting Kieff would help them reach that next level they're desperately trying to reach. Ross is expendable w/ Carrol and DeRosen in front of him, and they can trade him to a third team in need of a 3/2 like Chicago. And the Bulls would have the incentive to trade one of their PFs to clear that logjam and fill a more important position.
I was thinking something like:

Phoenix out: Markieff Morris, PJ Tucker, 1st round pick via CLE.
Toronto out: Terrence Ross, James Johnson.
Chicago out: Nikola Mirotic, Cameron Baristow.

Chicago in: Terrence Ross, PJ Tucker, 1st round pick via CLE
Toronto in: Markieff Morris, Cameron Baristow
Phoenix in: Nikola Mirotic, James Johnson

Every team has incentive and fills needs in this trade. Tell me what you think.

Bulls would never give Mirotic for that. I think Raptors could be interested though, and Ross/JJ would be available I think. I'd be willing to do something like Ross/JJ for Morris/2nd, assuming his legal troubles are behind him and he'd be open to it. I believe PHO asked for Ross 2 drafts ago when Toronto wanted Ennis at 18 so it seems like your GM likes Ross somewhat (I think he'd fit well there myself).