Preseason Game 6: Phoenix @ Dallas

[bwgood77]

The Suns looked so terrible I actually stopped watching the game. The team really knows how to destroy any good feelings they put out after last night's performance. At some point it is impossible to not blame Hornacek for this team's lack of focus and energy in so many games.

I have to agree with you. Even though we blew out the Spurs and Mavs, I thought both games were ugly offensively. We were hitting shots but our offensive looked like it had no plan. Against teams who are decent and done with experimenting, I don't think it'll work.

From what I saw I thought the ball movement tonight was great...the problem early was that the shots were not falling. That's going to happen.

[Revived]

The Suns looked so terrible I actually stopped watching the game. The team really knows how to destroy any good feelings they put out after last night's performance. At some point it is impossible to not blame Hornacek for this team's lack of focus and energy in so many games.

I have to agree with you. Even though we blew out the Spurs and Mavs, I thought both games were ugly offensively. We were hitting shots but our offensive looked like it had no plan. Against teams who are decent and done with experimenting, I don't think it'll work.

From what I saw I thought the ball movement tonight was great...the problem early was that the shots were not falling. That's going to happen.

I feel like we have said that too much time this pre season. I've heard a lot of "we had open looks but just wasn't falling.."

Idk if that means we lack good enough shooters or if players are just having a tough time shooting it...

[bwgood77]

I have to agree with you. Even though we blew out the Spurs and Mavs, I thought both games were ugly offensively. We were hitting shots but our offensive looked like it had no plan. Against teams who are decent and done with experimenting, I don't think it'll work.

From what I saw I thought the ball movement tonight was great...the problem early was that the shots were not falling. That's going to happen.

I feel like we have said that too much time this pre season. I've heard a lot of "we had open looks but just wasn't falling.."

Idk if that means we lack good enough shooters or if players are just having a tough time shooting it...

Maybe, I've only mostly watched the last two games, and we shot over 50% from 3 last night and 33% tonight, which isn't great, but isn't terrible either....that equates to 50% on 2s which guys like Kobe and Melo rarely hit.

[Revived]

From what I saw I thought the ball movement tonight was great...the problem early was that the shots were not falling. That's going to happen.

I feel like we have said that too much time this pre season. I've heard a lot of "we had open looks but just wasn't falling.."

Idk if that means we lack good enough shooters or if players are just having a tough time shooting it...

Maybe, I've only mostly watched the last two games, and we shot over 50% from 3 last night and 33% tonight, which isn't great, but isn't terrible either....that equates to 50% on 2s which guys like Kobe and Melo rarely hit.

A lot of those came in garbage time though. We have been really bad shooting the ball against the starters of teams before teams empty the bench. Again, could just be a bad groove their in...

[PackSuns]

I feel like we have said that too much time this pre season. I've heard a lot of "we had open looks but just wasn't falling.."

Idk if that means we lack good enough shooters or if players are just having a tough time shooting it...

Maybe, I've only mostly watched the last two games, and we shot over 50% from 3 last night and 33% tonight, which isn't great, but isn't terrible either....that equates to 50% on 2s which guys like Kobe and Melo rarely hit.

A lot of those came in garbage time though. We have been really bad shooting the ball against the starters of teams before teams empty the bench. Again, could just be a bad groove their in...

How did the team look tonight? How was TJ?

[lilfishi22]

From what I saw I thought the ball movement tonight was great...the problem early was that the shots were not falling. That's going to happen.

I feel like we have said that too much time this pre season. I've heard a lot of "we had open looks but just wasn't falling.."

Idk if that means we lack good enough shooters or if players are just having a tough time shooting it...

Maybe, I've only mostly watched the last two games, and we shot over 50% from 3 last night and 33% tonight, which isn't great, but isn't terrible either....that equates to 50% on 2s which guys like Kobe and Melo rarely hit.

The ball movement was better but I thought it lacked purpose and a plan. Looking at the Spurs, even though they run a fast pace, it really look like their offense is a lot more purposeful and efficient (ie no unnecessary over-dribbling or back and forth passing). Maybe it's not fair to compare to the coaching of Pops and this might be something we'll get better at as the guys get used to playing with each other but it really seemed like a lot of iso action to begin each offensive possession rather than actual playmaking.

[batsmasher]

The Suns looked so terrible I actually stopped watching the game. The team really knows how to destroy any good feelings they put out after last night's performance. At some point it is impossible to not blame Hornacek for this team's lack of focus and energy in so many games.

I have to agree with you. Even though we blew out the Spurs and Mavs, I thought both games were ugly offensively. We were hitting shots but our offensive looked like it had no plan. Against teams who are decent and done with experimenting, I don't think it'll work.

From what I saw I thought the ball movement tonight was great...the problem early was that the shots were not falling. That's going to happen.

Sorry bw, you're gonna have to stick to the agenda, thanks mate.

I only caught the last 8 minutes of this one but I have a few thoughts:

- Alarm bells are starting to ring for Knight. All we can do is hope this doesn't carry over into the season
- Our superstar PG Sonny Weems once again had more assists than BK
- Mirza +18 in 15 minutes with 4 dimes. That's the most promising takeaway from this. We're getting good looks from the bigs. Gravity indeed, is a real thing. We don't even need to be shooting well all the time, we just need that space opened up by Mirza and Jon (+potentially Kieff)

[Revived]

How did the team look tonight? How was TJ?

Terrible. I do think his roster spot itself may be in jeopardy for far superior players like Sims and Jefferson who have been straight balling.

I think he'll struggle to find a job in the NBA but I think a few years in Europe should do him very well.

[Revived]

I feel like we have said that too much time this pre season. I've heard a lot of "we had open looks but just wasn't falling.."

Idk if that means we lack good enough shooters or if players are just having a tough time shooting it...

Maybe, I've only mostly watched the last two games, and we shot over 50% from 3 last night and 33% tonight, which isn't great, but isn't terrible either....that equates to 50% on 2s which guys like Kobe and Melo rarely hit.

The ball movement was better but I thought it lacked purpose and a plan. Looking at the Spurs, even though they run a fast pace, it really look like their offense is a lot more purposeful and efficient (ie no unnecessary over-dribbling or back and forth passing). Maybe it's not fair to compare to the coaching of Pops and this might be something we'll get better at as the guys get used to playing with each other but it really seemed like a lot of iso action to begin each offensive possession rather than actual playmaking.

Wouldn't you agree that's how its been for most of the past two years?

And I think that's the complaint many of us have with the team.

[PackSuns]

How did the team look tonight? How was TJ?

Terrible. I do think his roster spot itself may be in jeopardy for far superior players like Sims and Jefferson who have been straight balling.

I think he'll struggle to find a job in the NBA but I think a few years in Europe should do him very well.

I see what you did there. Well played. Could you please give me an honest assessment ? I'm not trying to start an argument. I didn't see the game. Thanks

[Revived]

How did the team look tonight? How was TJ?

Terrible. I do think his roster spot itself may be in jeopardy for far superior players like Sims and Jefferson who have been straight balling.

I think he'll struggle to find a job in the NBA but I think a few years in Europe should do him very well.

I see what you did there. Well played. Could you please give me an honest assessment ? I'm not trying to start an argument. I didn't see the game. Thanks

I'm afraid I can't, I only watched the first QTR and maybe a bit of the second. My stream was a little laggy plus I had to attend to something else and by the time I was done, game was almost over.

Judging by the posts here and the stat sheet, he was in foul trouble? He's been consistent on the boards though which is a very good thing.

[batsmasher]

Terrible. I do think his roster spot itself may be in jeopardy for far superior players like Sims and Jefferson who have been straight balling.

I think he'll struggle to find a job in the NBA but I think a few years in Europe should do him very well.

Har har har. TJ's probably keeping Horny asleep at night as he tries to figure out who starts. There's no doubting TJ can get completely lost at times defensively, but you could probably say the same for PJ offensively. What does the starting lineup need? Probably the defense, in my opinion.

Also side note, TJ and PJ share the same given name: Anthony. PJ is Pops Junior and TJ is Tony Junior.

And just to clarify, if you want to stop being outraged: I don't expect either Sims or Jefferson to get any minutes at all in the rotation. They just look like good pieces to have down the depth chart. But please, continue being outraged.

[PackSuns]

Terrible. I do think his roster spot itself may be in jeopardy for far superior players like Sims and Jefferson who have been straight balling.

I think he'll struggle to find a job in the NBA but I think a few years in Europe should do him very well.

I see what you did there. Well played. Could you please give me an honest assessment ? I'm not trying to start an argument. I didn't see the game. Thanks

I'm afraid I can't, I only watched the first QTR and maybe a bit of the second. My stream was a little laggy plus I had to attend to something else and by the time I was done, game was almost over.

Judging by the posts here and the stat sheet, he was in foul trouble? He's been consistent on the boards though which is a very good thing.

Thanks!! Can't wait for the season to start.

[PackSuns]

Terrible. I do think his roster spot itself may be in jeopardy for far superior players like Sims and Jefferson who have been straight balling.

I think he'll struggle to find a job in the NBA but I think a few years in Europe should do him very well.

Har har har. TJ's probably keeping Horny asleep at night as he tries to figure out who starts. There's no doubting TJ can get completely lost at times defensively, but you could probably say the same for PJ offensively. What does the starting lineup need? Probably the defense, in my opinion.

Also side note, TJ and PJ share the same given name: Anthony. PJ is Pops Junior and TJ is Tony Junior.

And just to clarify, if you want to stop being outraged: I don't expect either Sims or Jefferson to get any minutes at all in the rotation. They just look like good pieces to have down the depth chart. But please, continue being outraged.

PJ and TJ grew up about 12 mins apart in Raleigh/Durham NC.

[SunsRback4Good]

Their probably long lost brothers finally reunited together.

[lilfishi22]

Maybe, I've only mostly watched the last two games, and we shot over 50% from 3 last night and 33% tonight, which isn't great, but isn't terrible either....that equates to 50% on 2s which guys like Kobe and Melo rarely hit.

The ball movement was better but I thought it lacked purpose and a plan. Looking at the Spurs, even though they run a fast pace, it really look like their offense is a lot more purposeful and efficient (ie no unnecessary over-dribbling or back and forth passing). Maybe it's not fair to compare to the coaching of Pops and this might be something we'll get better at as the guys get used to playing with each other but it really seemed like a lot of iso action to begin each offensive possession rather than actual playmaking.

Wouldn't you agree that's how its been for most of the past two years?

And I think that's the complaint many of us have with the team.

I guess it didn't show as much the past few years because Bledsoe, Dragic and IT were all very good one on one offensive players. Knight doesn't seem that comfortable with the ball in his hand when he's forced to do something. At least with Bledsoe, Dragic and IT, if the set turns to crap, they can still get to the rim or create a shot for themselves.

[lilfishi22]

Sorry bw, you're gonna have to stick to the agenda, thanks mate.

I only caught the last 8 minutes of this one but I have a few thoughts:

- Alarm bells are starting to ring for Knight. All we can do is hope this doesn't carry over into the season
- Our superstar PG Sonny Weems once again had more assists than BK
- Mirza +18 in 15 minutes with 4 dimes. That's the most promising takeaway from this. We're getting good looks from the bigs. Gravity indeed, is a real thing. We don't even need to be shooting well all the time, we just need that space opened up by Mirza and Jon (+potentially Kieff)

I'm worried about him and his fit on this team.

[Revived]

Terrible. I do think his roster spot itself may be in jeopardy for far superior players like Sims and Jefferson who have been straight balling.

I think he'll struggle to find a job in the NBA but I think a few years in Europe should do him very well.

Har har har. TJ's probably keeping Horny asleep at night as he tries to figure out who starts. There's no doubting TJ can get completely lost at times defensively, but you could probably say the same for PJ offensively. What does the starting lineup need? Probably the defense, in my opinion.

Also side note, TJ and PJ share the same given name: Anthony. PJ is Pops Junior and TJ is Tony Junior.

And just to clarify, if you want to stop being outraged: I don't expect either Sims or Jefferson to get any minutes at all in the rotation. They just look like good pieces to have down the depth chart. But please, continue being outraged.

You haven't seen my outrage yet, if Sims or Jefferson are cut in favor of Warren, I'm gonna shut this forum down with my outrage.

Sims and Jefferson have a lot of potential, I can't believe you don't see it. Other than Bledsoe, may be the two highest valued players on the team.

If I were to spend my hard earned money on the jersey of any Suns player, it would probably be Sims or Jefferson who btw will play huge role for us this year.

[bwgood77]

I feel like we have said that too much time this pre season. I've heard a lot of "we had open looks but just wasn't falling.."

Idk if that means we lack good enough shooters or if players are just having a tough time shooting it...

Maybe, I've only mostly watched the last two games, and we shot over 50% from 3 last night and 33% tonight, which isn't great, but isn't terrible either....that equates to 50% on 2s which guys like Kobe and Melo rarely hit.

The ball movement was better but I thought it lacked purpose and a plan. Looking at the Spurs, even though they run a fast pace, it really look like their offense is a lot more purposeful and efficient (ie no unnecessary over-dribbling or back and forth passing). Maybe it's not fair to compare to the coaching of Pops and this might be something we'll get better at as the guys get used to playing with each other but it really seemed like a lot of iso action to begin each offensive possession rather than actual playmaking.

Oh yeah, comparing this team to the Spurs ball movement is never going to be in our favor, because most of those guys have played together for awhile or are savvy vets...we are inexperienced. I am not sure what you mean about purpose...we swung it around to the open guy and kept the ball moving until someone either had an open shot (many of which did not go in, but they were open) or they had the solid space to drive (again, many of which did not go in) but it was much more of team basketball and unselfishness than we usually see. The purpose is to get it to an open guy and not try to take on a guy one on one.

[MrMiyagi]

Terrible. I do think his roster spot itself may be in jeopardy for far superior players like Sims and Jefferson who have been straight balling.

I think he'll struggle to find a job in the NBA but I think a few years in Europe should do him very well.

Har har har. TJ's probably keeping Horny asleep at night as he tries to figure out who starts. There's no doubting TJ can get completely lost at times defensively, but you could probably say the same for PJ offensively. What does the starting lineup need? Probably the defense, in my opinion.

Also side note, TJ and PJ share the same given name: Anthony. PJ is Pops Junior and TJ is Tony Junior.

And just to clarify, if you want to stop being outraged: I don't expect either Sims or Jefferson to get any minutes at all in the rotation. They just look like good pieces to have down the depth chart. But please, continue being outraged.

You haven't seen my outrage yet, if Sims or Jefferson are cut in favor of Warren, I'm gonna shut this forum down with my outrage.

Sims and Jefferson have a lot of potential, I can't believe you don't see it. Other than Bledsoe, may be the two highest valued players on the team.

If I were to spend my hard earned money on the jersey of any Suns player, it would probably be Sims or Jefferson who btw will play huge role for us this year.

I can feel your green font. Use your sarcastic feelings, SF88. Let the green flow through your posts. Come over to the green side of the font.