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Post#41 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jan 4, 2016 5:03 pm

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ndnow wrote:Ok, so my understanding is that Morris took less money and was promised to play with his brother. Is this statement incorrect or is sarver just delusional? I'm so confused.

We are unsure what was said. They were offered an amount, and it was left to them how to split it up. Once the contracts were agreed, I think that was the end of it. But all of that was before their legal issues, and bad lockerroom issues. Also that was before Marcus screamed at Hornacek on National tv.


Yeah suppose we won't ever really know since it clearly wasn't written into the contract. If it was a handshake deal lesson learned for Morris I guess.

You guys still have talent this isn't lost yet is it?


For me, it doesn't even matter what was promised. Markieff and Marcus during the course of the season before the trade, did everything they possibly could to wear out their welcomes. Markieff told all the fans they sucked, Marcus yelled at Hornacek on national TV, they both got techs at record pace (both combined more than many teams had), they started teaching the youngsters how to avoid the media and other unprofessional things (rumors, but they were out there), and then they capped it all off by "allegedly" committing felony assault at a community center.

You can't do all of that and think a team will stand by you regardless. They took that new deal as a sign they could do whatever the hell they wanted with no consequences.
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Post#42 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jan 4, 2016 5:05 pm

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ndnow wrote:Ok, so my understanding is that Morris took less money and was promised to play with his brother. Is this statement incorrect or is sarver just delusional? I'm so confused.

We are unsure what was said. They were offered an amount, and it was left to them how to split it up. Once the contracts were agreed, I think that was the end of it. But all of that was before their legal issues, and bad lockerroom issues. Also that was before Marcus screamed at Hornacek on National tv.


Yeah suppose we won't ever really know since it clearly wasn't written into the contract. If it was a handshake deal lesson learned for Morris I guess.

You guys still have talent this isn't lost yet is it?


I have never really heard anyone in Suns media or even a Suns fan say they took a discount or were promised they would not be separated at any time. I read some national media saying they were very good trade-able contracts often, but even when I heard that mentioned, it never was mentioned "but they would have to be traded together" or anything.....the ONLY PLACES I ever started reading about promises and discounts was on places like the general board, or on random comments on stories or comments on twitter.

To me it seems like someone makes up something, or perhaps the twins FELT like they were taking discounts because they got to play together, which makes some sort of sense, that they would have held out for more money if they were working out individual contracts in different places, but the Suns gave them that opportunity and they pretty much blew it by getting technicals, yelling at the coach, calling out fans, beating people up at high school basketball games, etc.

We have some young talent and it appears a pretty high draft pick. Personally I'm a little uneasy on the type of player we got in Knight, particularly when thinking about what we gave up, but hopefully he proves me wrong.
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Post#43 » by RunSunRun » Mon Jan 4, 2016 5:47 pm

I honestly don't know how anyone can defend $arver anymore, the guy sucks as an owner. I can't even imagine if he keeps the Suns longterm and one of his spoiled brat offspring takes over.
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Post#44 » by aIvin adams » Mon Jan 4, 2016 6:10 pm

i loaded this pic to fbook almost 9 years ago. THAT'S FACEBOOK, ROBERT.

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Post#45 » by RunDogGun » Mon Jan 4, 2016 6:34 pm

aIvin adams wrote:i loaded this pic to fbook almost 9 years ago. THAT'S FACEBOOK, ROBERT.

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He didn't take over the team until a week later, the day we signed Nash to more than Dallas was willing pay.
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Post#46 » by RunDogGun » Mon Jan 4, 2016 6:36 pm

RunSunRun wrote:I honestly don't know how anyone can defend $arver anymore, the guy sucks as an owner. I can't even imagine if he keeps the Suns longterm and one of his spoiled brat offspring takes over.

Why would anyone have to defend him? I think the list of things he has done speaks for themselves.
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Post#47 » by aIvin adams » Mon Jan 4, 2016 7:18 pm

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aIvin adams wrote:i loaded this pic to fbook almost 9 years ago. THAT'S FACEBOOK, ROBERT.

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He didn't take over the team until a week later, the day we signed Nash to more than Dallas was willing pay.


i posted that pic in the summer of 2007 after we traded kurt thomas and two first round picks for the privilege of saving sarver money. that was several years after he took over the team

unlike the cap space move you're referring to (which was used to sign nash and Q), the suns did jack squat with the 8M trade exception from the Kurt Thomas salary dump
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Post#48 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jan 4, 2016 9:03 pm

aIvin adams wrote:
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aIvin adams wrote:i loaded this pic to fbook almost 9 years ago. THAT'S FACEBOOK, ROBERT.

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He didn't take over the team until a week later, the day we signed Nash to more than Dallas was willing pay.


i posted that pic in the summer of 2007 after we traded kurt thomas and two first round picks for the privilege of saving sarver money. that was several years after he took over the team

unlike the cap space move you're referring to (which was used to sign nash and Q), the suns did jack squat with the 8M trade exception from the Kurt Thomas salary dump


Man, every time it keeps being mentioned that we gave away draft picks (one the turned into Ibaka) for him to save some money, I just want to cringe.

That's why I sometimes also don't understand why some people say they want to trade a bunch of contracts for JJ or something just to clear cap space and so Sarver can save more money. It's not like max free agents will be lined up this summer to sign with the Suns. When we trade these guys this team desperately needs to get some sort of asset back, whether it be a young player or pick.
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Post#49 » by letsgosuns » Mon Jan 4, 2016 9:07 pm

Watching the videos on ESPN's NBA page about Sarver's comments is something I almost do not want to believe that my favorite teams' owner said. Sarver might have opened up Pandora's Box with the comments he made. He insulted the entire generation of today's NBA players and fans alike. He said Markieff cannot handle setbacks. Everyone leaving the Suns hates the organization. The current team is the worst team in basketball. How is this happening. When did this franchise become the worst in sports. What a shame. I see no end to this anytime soon. If no free agents wanted to come to the Suns before, why would they want to come to the Suns now.
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Post#50 » by RaisingArizona » Mon Jan 4, 2016 9:23 pm

$ talks. Also, we don't want mentally weak people who would be offended by his comments. What he said has a lot of truth to it. Markieff used social media to demand a trade and caused a lot of issues that could have been taken care of in house.
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Re: Robert $arver 

Post#51 » by RunDogGun » Mon Jan 4, 2016 9:59 pm

aIvin adams wrote:
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aIvin adams wrote:i loaded this pic to fbook almost 9 years ago. THAT'S FACEBOOK, ROBERT.

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He didn't take over the team until a week later, the day we signed Nash to more than Dallas was willing pay.


i posted that pic in the summer of 2007 after we traded kurt thomas and two first round picks for the privilege of saving sarver money. that was several years after he took over the team

unlike the cap space move you're referring to (which was used to sign nash and Q), the suns did jack squat with the 8M trade exception from the Kurt Thomas salary dump

Sorry, hard to tell when there is an 04 on the jersey. Maybe a context clue that made it easier to understand would have been helpful. We were already over the luxury cap, which cost us double. I hated the trade, but since Mike wasn't playing Kurt where and when we needed him, I understood the move. Not putting restrictions on the picks and rushing to do the trade was pretty dumb. We also canned Jones that offseason as well as drafted players. Mike wasn't playing rookies anyway.

But it isn't like Sarver wasn't spending money on salary, he was. We had the top five salary back then. He just trusted dumb people to make the basketball decisions. When Mike was the GM, he rushed out and got Banks and Piat, gave Diaw txt huge pay day without even seeing if he was in shape.
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Re: Robert $arver 

Post#52 » by RunDogGun » Mon Jan 4, 2016 10:05 pm

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RunDogGun wrote:He didn't take over the team until a week later, the day we signed Nash to more than Dallas was willing pay.


i posted that pic in the summer of 2007 after we traded kurt thomas and two first round picks for the privilege of saving sarver money. that was several years after he took over the team

unlike the cap space move you're referring to (which was used to sign nash and Q), the suns did jack squat with the 8M trade exception from the Kurt Thomas salary dump


Man, every time it keeps being mentioned that we gave away draft picks (one the turned into Ibaka) for him to save some money, I just want to cringe.

That's why I sometimes also don't understand why some people say they want to trade a bunch of contracts for JJ or something just to clear cap space and so Sarver can save more money. It's not like max free agents will be lined up this summer to sign with the Suns. When we trade these guys this team desperately needs to get some sort of asset back, whether it be a young player or pick.

We could have drafted Serge with the Atl pick, but we chose Lopez. Sarver has spent a ton on this team, and has eaten mistakes like Beasley and Childress. he just trusts the dumbest GMs, and shouldn't make basketball decisions himself. He's made a decent choice in McD, but even he is getting bashed all over.
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Re: Robert $arver 

Post#53 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jan 4, 2016 11:01 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
aIvin adams wrote:
i posted that pic in the summer of 2007 after we traded kurt thomas and two first round picks for the privilege of saving sarver money. that was several years after he took over the team

unlike the cap space move you're referring to (which was used to sign nash and Q), the suns did jack squat with the 8M trade exception from the Kurt Thomas salary dump


Man, every time it keeps being mentioned that we gave away draft picks (one the turned into Ibaka) for him to save some money, I just want to cringe.

That's why I sometimes also don't understand why some people say they want to trade a bunch of contracts for JJ or something just to clear cap space and so Sarver can save more money. It's not like max free agents will be lined up this summer to sign with the Suns. When we trade these guys this team desperately needs to get some sort of asset back, whether it be a young player or pick.

We could have drafted Serge with the Atl pick, but we chose Lopez. Sarver has spent a ton on this team, and has eaten mistakes like Beasley and Childress. he just trusts the dumbest GMs, and shouldn't make basketball decisions himself. He's made a decent choice in McD, but even he is getting bashed all over.


Oh yeah, I think he's gotten mostly away from his cheap ways, except when it comes to leaving people as lame ducks which rarely turns out well.

But nonetheless, fans concerned with Sarver saving money seems odd to me when we likely either won't be able to use that much cap space, and sometimes when we do, we give out contracts that don't make a whole lot of sense. Getting a value contract like IT makes sense in a nutshell, but without taking into account how that might impact team chemistry or making a quicker choice to deal him for an asset when it was obviously impacting chemistry was a mistake.

And about taking Lopez. Sure, we needed a center, but if we had OKC's pick, and Serge was the best player sitting there, maybe we take him.

The biggest issue is giving away assets to dump contracts. This all could have been avoided in the first place if we hand't ever signed Q anyway, when we could have just extended JJ and drafted Iguodala, not putting us over the cap in the future where we had to dump Thomas, after dumping Q (along with ANOTHER pick).

Not keeping our draft pick and taking Iggy or Deng, and extending JJ, basically was a chain of reactions that in summary, ended up trading Iggy (and signing a higher priced ok player) for the chance to later dump Kurt Thomas (because we signed avg high priced player instead of keeping draft pick and taking Iggy/Deng) plus two picks for nothing.
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Post#54 » by Gorilla Warfare » Tue Jan 5, 2016 5:40 pm

Did you see that Sarver and Steve Nash just bought a soccer club?
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Post#55 » by RunDogGun » Tue Jan 5, 2016 6:44 pm

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Man, every time it keeps being mentioned that we gave away draft picks (one the turned into Ibaka) for him to save some money, I just want to cringe.

That's why I sometimes also don't understand why some people say they want to trade a bunch of contracts for JJ or something just to clear cap space and so Sarver can save more money. It's not like max free agents will be lined up this summer to sign with the Suns. When we trade these guys this team desperately needs to get some sort of asset back, whether it be a young player or pick.

We could have drafted Serge with the Atl pick, but we chose Lopez. Sarver has spent a ton on this team, and has eaten mistakes like Beasley and Childress. he just trusts the dumbest GMs, and shouldn't make basketball decisions himself. He's made a decent choice in McD, but even he is getting bashed all over.


Oh yeah, I think he's gotten mostly away from his cheap ways, except when it comes to leaving people as lame ducks which rarely turns out well.

But nonetheless, fans concerned with Sarver saving money seems odd to me when we likely either won't be able to use that much cap space, and sometimes when we do, we give out contracts that don't make a whole lot of sense. Getting a value contract like IT makes sense in a nutshell, but without taking into account how that might impact team chemistry or making a quicker choice to deal him for an asset when it was obviously impacting chemistry was a mistake.

And about taking Lopez. Sure, we needed a center, but if we had OKC's pick, and Serge was the best player sitting there, maybe we take him.

The biggest issue is giving away assets to dump contracts. This all could have been avoided in the first place if we hand't ever signed Q anyway, when we could have just extended JJ and drafted Iguodala, not putting us over the cap in the future where we had to dump Thomas, after dumping Q (along with ANOTHER pick).

Not keeping our draft pick and taking Iggy or Deng, and extending JJ, basically was a chain of reactions that in summary, ended up trading Iggy (and signing a higher priced ok player) for the chance to later dump Kurt Thomas (because we signed avg high priced player instead of keeping draft pick and taking Iggy/Deng) plus two picks for nothing.

The Iggy/Deng trade happened before Sarver was given control of the team. I'm sure it was made to start to help Sarver cover the $200 million debt Colangelo left Sarver.
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Post#56 » by phnart » Tue Jan 5, 2016 6:55 pm

Dear Mr. Sarver,

What is the Suns real identity?

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Post#57 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jan 5, 2016 7:24 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:We could have drafted Serge with the Atl pick, but we chose Lopez. Sarver has spent a ton on this team, and has eaten mistakes like Beasley and Childress. he just trusts the dumbest GMs, and shouldn't make basketball decisions himself. He's made a decent choice in McD, but even he is getting bashed all over.


Oh yeah, I think he's gotten mostly away from his cheap ways, except when it comes to leaving people as lame ducks which rarely turns out well.

But nonetheless, fans concerned with Sarver saving money seems odd to me when we likely either won't be able to use that much cap space, and sometimes when we do, we give out contracts that don't make a whole lot of sense. Getting a value contract like IT makes sense in a nutshell, but without taking into account how that might impact team chemistry or making a quicker choice to deal him for an asset when it was obviously impacting chemistry was a mistake.

And about taking Lopez. Sure, we needed a center, but if we had OKC's pick, and Serge was the best player sitting there, maybe we take him.

The biggest issue is giving away assets to dump contracts. This all could have been avoided in the first place if we hand't ever signed Q anyway, when we could have just extended JJ and drafted Iguodala, not putting us over the cap in the future where we had to dump Thomas, after dumping Q (along with ANOTHER pick).

Not keeping our draft pick and taking Iggy or Deng, and extending JJ, basically was a chain of reactions that in summary, ended up trading Iggy (and signing a higher priced ok player) for the chance to later dump Kurt Thomas (because we signed avg high priced player instead of keeping draft pick and taking Iggy/Deng) plus two picks for nothing.

The Iggy/Deng trade happened before Sarver was given control of the team. I'm sure it was made to start to help Sarver cover the $200 million debt Colangelo left Sarver.


So instead of a rookie contract, they decided to sign Q to a big contract, leading to trading it for Kurt Thomas contract, leading to the dump with 2 picks? Makes perfect sense.
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Re: Robert $arver 

Post#58 » by RunDogGun » Tue Jan 5, 2016 7:33 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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Oh yeah, I think he's gotten mostly away from his cheap ways, except when it comes to leaving people as lame ducks which rarely turns out well.

But nonetheless, fans concerned with Sarver saving money seems odd to me when we likely either won't be able to use that much cap space, and sometimes when we do, we give out contracts that don't make a whole lot of sense. Getting a value contract like IT makes sense in a nutshell, but without taking into account how that might impact team chemistry or making a quicker choice to deal him for an asset when it was obviously impacting chemistry was a mistake.

And about taking Lopez. Sure, we needed a center, but if we had OKC's pick, and Serge was the best player sitting there, maybe we take him.

The biggest issue is giving away assets to dump contracts. This all could have been avoided in the first place if we hand't ever signed Q anyway, when we could have just extended JJ and drafted Iguodala, not putting us over the cap in the future where we had to dump Thomas, after dumping Q (along with ANOTHER pick).

Not keeping our draft pick and taking Iggy or Deng, and extending JJ, basically was a chain of reactions that in summary, ended up trading Iggy (and signing a higher priced ok player) for the chance to later dump Kurt Thomas (because we signed avg high priced player instead of keeping draft pick and taking Iggy/Deng) plus two picks for nothing.

The Iggy/Deng trade happened before Sarver was given control of the team. I'm sure it was made to start to help Sarver cover the $200 million debt Colangelo left Sarver.


So instead of a rookie contract, they decided to sign Q to a big contract, leading to trading it for Kurt Thomas contract, leading to the dump with 2 picks? Makes perfect sense.

Like I said, I don't think he is cheap, I think he puts his trust in the wrong people making basketball decisions for him. KT was picked up to help Amare, and Q was picked up to spread the floor, which neither Deng or Iggy was seen to be able to do consistently.
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Post#59 » by RunDogGun » Tue Jan 5, 2016 7:36 pm

Going back to that time, doesn't it seem odd that D'Antoni didn't want Rudy, when he could have drafted him. Also giving up two pgs in the draft (.trading one to Boston and one to Portland) and sign Banks, and not play him. Mike was a terrible GM, considering he was also the coach.
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Post#60 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jan 5, 2016 7:47 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
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RunDogGun wrote:The Iggy/Deng trade happened before Sarver was given control of the team. I'm sure it was made to start to help Sarver cover the $200 million debt Colangelo left Sarver.


So instead of a rookie contract, they decided to sign Q to a big contract, leading to trading it for Kurt Thomas contract, leading to the dump with 2 picks? Makes perfect sense.

Like I said, I don't think he is cheap, I think he puts his trust in the wrong people making basketball decisions for him. KT was picked up to help Amare, and Q was picked up to spread the floor, which neither Deng or Iggy was seen to be able to do consistently.


I know why they were signed, but I had many problems with certain Colangelo moves over time too. The problem back then AND even with signing Q was lack of foresight that if you sign Q AND end up extending JJ, then you are going to go into luxury tax, and be forced to have to dump or start making trades if you want to get out of it.

I always felt the Colangelos would just spend all their cap space just to spend it, whether it be signing Longley or Q. The 2004-5 team may not have been as good without Q, but the foundation would have been better, and what happened that year, as fun as it was, raised the expectations of D'Antoni SO high because he exceeded expectations and squeezed a lot more out of the talent he had than they had shown before. It wasn't long before people started calling for his head "doesn't preach defense...they suck.....substitutions suck, rotation too short. Fans just expect to much if a coach overachieves a bit can't quite deliver the same results again. Sound familiar?

Of course he got us to the WCF that year, but that was when the playoff seedings were extremely screwy, and despite Dallas having 60 wins and us having only 54, we got the 2 seed and they got the 4 seed....and matched up with the 1 seeded SA in the 2nd round. They really should have, and under current rules, not met until the WCF as Dallas would have been the 2 seed. Then we barely got by the 7th seeded Lakers and 6th seeded Clippers, both in 7...then of course it went downhill after that year.

OK, I guess I got off topic there.

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