Trade Deadline Countdown....January 2016

[Barkley_34]

Hi Guys,

What do you guys think an trade for Jahlil Okafor? In my opinion he is a franchise player in the future and would in the long run all that our franchise needs a strong offensive player in the post, to make space for Bledsoe (Knight), Booker and Warren. I like Len, but still do not see him as a player who will make the difference. Something involving Knight + len and markieff for Okafor + landry and wood could work? I would like the opinion of all, I see a great imbalance in our team and I think that would make this trade.

I'm a little concerned with his FG% as a big. When you shoot less than 46% as a big who takes all short range shots, that's an issue, particularly if you are not great defensively. I also don't even know if that's enough to get him. I guess I wouldn't mind giving up those pieces, though I still have pretty high hopes for Len (of course I have high hopes for Brandon Knight as well, but at this point, I'm not sure those boneheaded turnovers will ever improve).

You're right, may not be enough even to achieve the trade, I think even more improve my offer, but that's me.

[carey]

The problem with voiding his contract is that it actually REWARDS him for this behavior. Someone else will come along and pay him more. Bank on it.

I would be for suspending him without pay.


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If other teams valued him that much why are the offers less than thrilling at the moment?

[Djedefre]

Hi Guys,

What do you guys think an trade for Jahlil Okafor? In my opinion he is a franchise player in the future and would in the long run all that our franchise needs a strong offensive player in the post, to make space for Bledsoe (Knight), Booker and Warren. I like Len, but still do not see him as a player who will make the difference. Something involving Knight + len and markieff for Okafor + landry and wood could work? I would like the opinion of all, I see a great imbalance in our team and I think that would make this trade.

It's exactly the opposite: player like Warren (atypical sf playing very close to the basket and utilizing all kinds of floaters) needs space down there, and the last thing he wants is a post specialist big man on offense. He is much more compatible with mobile centers, or fake 5's (Leuer in some line-ups) that would make space for his type of play. At least until he develops a legit 3pt shot. Our offense would benefit on the other side, knowing that Knight and Bled are not productive on p'n'r (which is partly the cause of Chandlers offensive inefficiency with us and leftover feeling in general with him), but, at the same time, it will suffer from blocking their slashing.

[Barkley_34]

Hi Guys,

What do you guys think an trade for Jahlil Okafor? In my opinion he is a franchise player in the future and would in the long run all that our franchise needs a strong offensive player in the post, to make space for Bledsoe (Knight), Booker and Warren. I like Len, but still do not see him as a player who will make the difference. Something involving Knight + len and markieff for Okafor + landry and wood could work? I would like the opinion of all, I see a great imbalance in our team and I think that would make this trade.

It's exactly the opposite: player like Warren (atypical sf playing very close to the basket and utilizing all kinds of floaters) needs space down there, and the last thing he wants is a post specialist big man on offense. He is much more compatible with mobile centers, or fake 5's (Leuer in some line-ups) that would make space for his type of play. At least until he develops a legit 3pt shot. Our offense would benefit on the other side, knowing that Knight and Bled are not productive on p'n'r (which is partly the cause of Chandlers offensive inefficiency with us and leftover feeling in general with him), but, at the same time, it will suffer from blocking their slashing.

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I do not agree ... Warren is a player cuts, invading the lane and calling for the ball. Okafor has good passing and vision. I think that the two complement each other well.

[carey]

Bobby Portis man... damn. Could have Warren and Portis today..

Portis is a double double big man with KG like intensity and ethic.... sigh.

Too bad he doesn't have KG's length, height, shooting, defense, and leadership, then I would sigh. I think you are a Booker hater, just calling it you out on it. You are on this board slobbing on Portis' knob and beating up on Booker........ Like ATH said, yea, it would be nice to have another young guy with potential, and if we could have gotten him after Booker cool, but you didn't make that distinction.

Become a Bulls fan if you want to talk about Portis and subtlely complain about Booker.

What ever happened to just telling someone their opinion is ridiculous? Do we really need to go the "slobbing his knob" route?

[AtheJ415]

As much as I wish this were the case, the chances of his contract being voided successfully, are slim to none. It would make things a lot easier though.

It's not when you've done what Markieff has. The #1 thing in all cases like this is that you show a track record of progressive discipline and continued rulebreaking/insubordination, like the Eagles did with Terrell Owens. We have that with Markieff so far, with a pending felony on the horizon. It would be slim to none if we had never punished Kieff before and then decided we wanted to void it, but since we have continuously disciplined him now thanks to the 2 game suspension, and assuming there was internal discipline before that for his other crap (and I think that's safe to assume, also you can argue the technical foul policy last year qualifies), and then the felony, which is the most serious of them all, it goes from slim to good.

As I said, I would love it to be true, but if Sprewell, Arenas, and Artest didn't have their contracts voided, its not happening with Kieff. NFL and NBA contracts are totally different. I wish the NBA contracts were more like NFL contracts in fact. Either way, good thought AtheJ415.

I don't think it would be rewarding Kieff, yet, because no one will pay him 8 million out of the gate at the moment.

What continuous discipline did those have with the same team that would qualify as progressive? That's why they couldn't be voided. What they did was drastically worse than Terrell Owens', and other NFL players have done much worse than TO when it comes to individual actions, yet, his is the only one in any major sport to get voided, and the main takeaway is that the Eagles progressively and continuously disciplined him, warned him, and his actions got progressively worse. It was the key factor in the appeal.

Arenas had his 1 run in with the law. None of the above criteria was met. Same with Sprewell. Same with Artest as far as I know. The key is that if you are a repeat offender who shows no ability to fix your behavior, and are a continued hindrance to the team through your actions, they can void. None of those cases meet this standard because the players fixed things. If they had continued to break the law or choke people or punch fans you'd see a different outcome.

[rsavaj]

Interesting idea from bright side....package Bledsoe and Knight for a great pure point-guard. Pair Warren, Booker, Len and the rest with a guy who can actually make his teammates better and I think you're in a much better place.

Can Bledsoe/Knight land you John Wall? Would the Clippers be willing to give up Chris Paul since he's 30?

[Djedefre]

Hi Guys,

What do you guys think an trade for Jahlil Okafor? In my opinion he is a franchise player in the future and would in the long run all that our franchise needs a strong offensive player in the post, to make space for Bledsoe (Knight), Booker and Warren. I like Len, but still do not see him as a player who will make the difference. Something involving Knight + len and markieff for Okafor + landry and wood could work? I would like the opinion of all, I see a great imbalance in our team and I think that would make this trade.

It's exactly the opposite: player like Warren (atypical sf playing very close to the basket and utilizing all kinds of floaters) needs space down there, and the last thing he wants is a post specialist big man on offense. He is much more compatible with mobile centers, or fake 5's (Leuer in some line-ups) that would make space for his type of play. At least until he develops a legit 3pt shot. Our offense would benefit on the other side, knowing that Knight and Bled are not productive on p'n'r (which is partly the cause of Chandlers offensive inefficiency with us and leftover feeling in general with him), but, at the same time, it will suffer from blocking their slashing.

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I do not agree ... Warren is a player cuts, invading the lane and calling for the ball. Okafor has good passing and vision. I think that the two complement each other well.

We're talking about a guy that plays a SF, and scores 53 percent of his points in the paint. Of course, some of that come off the cuts, but that does not exclude need of space.

[toucansma]

It's not when you've done what Markieff has. The #1 thing in all cases like this is that you show a track record of progressive discipline and continued rulebreaking/insubordination, like the Eagles did with Terrell Owens. We have that with Markieff so far, with a pending felony on the horizon. It would be slim to none if we had never punished Kieff before and then decided we wanted to void it, but since we have continuously disciplined him now thanks to the 2 game suspension, and assuming there was internal discipline before that for his other crap (and I think that's safe to assume, also you can argue the technical foul policy last year qualifies), and then the felony, which is the most serious of them all, it goes from slim to good.

As I said, I would love it to be true, but if Sprewell, Arenas, and Artest didn't have their contracts voided, its not happening with Kieff. NFL and NBA contracts are totally different. I wish the NBA contracts were more like NFL contracts in fact. Either way, good thought AtheJ415.

I don't think it would be rewarding Kieff, yet, because no one will pay him 8 million out of the gate at the moment.

What continuous discipline did those have with the same team that would qualify as progressive? That's why they couldn't be voided. What they did was drastically worse than Terrell Owens', and other NFL players have done much worse than TO when it comes to individual actions, yet, his is the only one in any major sport to get voided, and the main takeaway is that the Eagles progressively and continuously disciplined him, warned him, and his actions got progressively worse. It was the key factor in the appeal.

Arenas had his 1 run in with the law. None of the above criteria was met. Same with Sprewell. Same with Artest as far as I know. The key is that if you are a repeat offender who shows no ability to fix your behavior, and are a continued hindrance to the team through your actions, they can void. None of those cases meet this standard because the players fixed things. If they had continued to break the law or choke people or punch fans you'd see a different outcome.

Terrell Owens was suspended, then the Eagles later released him (same as any other NFL cut). His contract was not voided for discipline. Latrell battered his coach, then come back and tried to hurt him again. Artest was suspended something like 8 different times before the Palace incident. Gilbert Arenas was convicted of a felony. As much as I dislike Kieff, he has only been suspended once by the Suns. What are other documented incidents does he have with the Suns? As I said, I wish they could void his contract, but with the NBPA and NBA contracts, it's not happening.

[AtheJ415]

The problem with voiding his contract is that it actually REWARDS him for this behavior. Someone else will come along and pay him more. Bank on it.

I would be for suspending him without pay.


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If other teams valued him that much why are the offers less than thrilling at the moment?

Terrence Jones is good.

[AtheJ415]

As I said, I would love it to be true, but if Sprewell, Arenas, and Artest didn't have their contracts voided, its not happening with Kieff. NFL and NBA contracts are totally different. I wish the NBA contracts were more like NFL contracts in fact. Either way, good thought AtheJ415.

I don't think it would be rewarding Kieff, yet, because no one will pay him 8 million out of the gate at the moment.

What continuous discipline did those have with the same team that would qualify as progressive? That's why they couldn't be voided. What they did was drastically worse than Terrell Owens', and other NFL players have done much worse than TO when it comes to individual actions, yet, his is the only one in any major sport to get voided, and the main takeaway is that the Eagles progressively and continuously disciplined him, warned him, and his actions got progressively worse. It was the key factor in the appeal.

Arenas had his 1 run in with the law. None of the above criteria was met. Same with Sprewell. Same with Artest as far as I know. The key is that if you are a repeat offender who shows no ability to fix your behavior, and are a continued hindrance to the team through your actions, they can void. None of those cases meet this standard because the players fixed things. If they had continued to break the law or choke people or punch fans you'd see a different outcome.

Terrell Owens was suspended, then the Eagles later released him (same as any other NFL cut). His contract was not voided for discipline. Latrell battered his coach, then come back and tried to hurt him again. Artest was suspended something like 8 different times before the Palace incident. Gilbert Arenas was convicted of a felony. As much as I dislike Kieff, he has only been suspended once by the Suns. What are other documented incidents does he have with the Suns? As I said, I wish they could void his contract, but with the NBPA and NBA contracts, it's not happening.

The technicals from last year, any internal ones related to his public trade demands and telling fans that they suck, and the likely felony conviction. All of the above were penalized once for their actions.

[Djedefre]

Interesting idea from bright side....package Bledsoe and Knight for a great pure point-guard. Pair Warren, Booker, Len and the rest with a guy who can actually make his teammates better and I think you're in a much better place.

Can Bledsoe/Knight land you John Wall? Would the Clippers be willing to give up Chris Paul since he's 30?

Sadly, the answer would be no. I can imagine Bled with Beal on the floor, but Knight would be absolute excess. Not to mention answering the tricky question why would one replace player like Wall with the one like Bled...

[AtheJ415]

Better question, why would we want a 30 year old Paul when the rest of our team is a bunch of 19-24 year olds?

[rsavaj]

Better question, why would we want a 30 year old Paul when the rest of our team is a bunch of 19-24 year olds?

I think he can be very effective into his late 30s, given his playing style, just like Nash.

Put Paul on this team in place of Knight and Bledsoe and I think you start getting serious interest from other free agents as well.

[Djedefre]

Better question, why would we want a 30 year old Paul when the rest of our team is a bunch of 19-24 year olds?

I can speculate that the intention could be shortening the rebuilding process or being hesitant to risk and go all or nothin'. Basically, on that field, you have two approaches - the first is to hunt and catch a vet leader that could immediately connect with the youngsters and make them better practically the very first day he runs on the court; the second would be adding young, prospect player with that 'floor general' skillset. If we take Russell for example, if we land him, it's a sit and wait scenario for one, two, or even three years and it might eventually end up like total failure.

[bwgood77]

Better question, why would we want a 30 year old Paul when the rest of our team is a bunch of 19-24 year olds?

I think he can be very effective into his late 30s, given his playing style, just like Nash.

Put Paul on this team in place of Knight and Bledsoe and I think you start getting serious interest from other free agents as well.

The team would certainly be better with Paul right now but the Clips are extremely unlikely to move him. They are looking for a title, and I don't think Paul would be too happy about coming to the Suns right now either.

[JMac1]

Bobby Portis man... damn. Could have Warren and Portis today..

Portis is a double double big man with KG like intensity and ethic.... sigh.

Too bad he doesn't have KG's length, height, shooting, defense, and leadership, then I would sigh. I think you are a Booker hater, just calling it you out on it. You are on this board slobbing on Portis' knob and beating up on Booker........ Like ATH said, yea, it would be nice to have another young guy with potential, and if we could have gotten him after Booker cool, but you didn't make that distinction.

Become a Bulls fan if you want to talk about Portis and subtlely complain about Booker.

What ever happened to just telling someone their opinion is ridiculous? Do we really need to go the "slobbing his knob" route?

Ooops, there is that little cultural difference thing creeping up on me again; don't know what is offensive in everyone's world. From now on I will talk as if I am at a corporate board meeting instead of a NBA chat board.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Don't mind the idea of a passing / defensive PG, perfect compliment to Booker and Warren.

Never been a fan of the likes of Rubio or Rondo from a team perspective, but they'd no doubt give Booker and Warren opportunities to play to their potential.

[jcsunsfan]

The goal of rebuilding should be the same as it has always been.

Three star players: a guard, a wing, and a big. One of those should, preferably, be a superstar type. The qualifications for being a star player must be:

1. Effective and efficient offensively.
2. Capable of providing team leadership.
3. Two way player.
4. Excels (way above average) in at least two aspects of the following: scoring, shooting, defense, rebounding, passing.

Then add quality complementary pieces.

Honestly, I think Booker and Warren have potential to be 2 of the three. Len will be, at best, a complementary player. The next few months will help us find out. If that IS the case, then we need a big. We can use the draft and/or Knight and Bledsoe to get him.

[Kerrsed]

If we are looking at getting a different PG to replace our duel PG's, i would try to go after Lillard. Since he has been out, CJ has been balling out of control, putting up Lillard like numbers (at a fraction of the contract). If we could do a Bledsoe/Len/Goodwin type of trade for Lillard, i would do it in a heartbeat. I think a Lillard/Booker pairing would be very comparable to Curry/Thompson.

Lillard/Booker/Warren