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2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

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Grade the Suns off-season moves so far

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4
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53%
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23
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F
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#41 » by Saberestar » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:05 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Saberestar wrote:We will know pretty soon who we want back and what CP3 is gonna do. This is a short offseason.


Do we know yet ( have a timetable) for when training camp is set to begin? How long is our shortened offseason theoretically?


July 29: 2021 NBA draft
Aug. 2: Free agency negotiations can begin at 5 p.m. Central
Aug. 3: Official start of 2021-22 league year; brief moratorium period begins on transactions
Aug. 6: Moratorium period ends at 11:01 a.m. Central, allowing free agents to be signed and trades to be executed
Aug. 8-17: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas
Sept. 28: Training camps open
Oct. 19: Regular season begins
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#42 » by garrick » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:06 am

Puff wrote:I will be surprised if Chris Paul does not sign with the Lakers.

It makes too much sense. His family is in LA and his best friend is on the Lakers. The West is going to be a lot tougher next year and I think his only chance to win a ring is in LA with a healthy Lebron and Davis. That might piss off Crowder but I still think CP3 is a Laker sooner than later.


Not sure about that given AD's injury history but who knows he might want to suit up with his BFF one final time before he retires.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#43 » by Adrao » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:11 am

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Puff wrote:I will be surprised if Chris Paul does not sign with the Lakers.

It makes too much sense. His family is in LA and his best friend is on the Lakers. The West is going to be a lot tougher next year and I think his only chance to win a ring is in LA with a healthy Lebron and Davis. That might piss off Crowder but I still think CP3 is a Laker sooner than later.
I thanks CP3 for all this season but I won't cry if he goes.


If he leaves, we will likely be no better than a fringe playoff team next year and it would be very unlikely we'd make it out of the first round (barring major injuries to stars).

Unless we replace him with someone like Lowry, but he still isn't quite as good.

I think it also would stunt the development of all our players, particularly Ayton and Payne as well.
The main problem here is present vs future. CP3 could be useful another season but we are going to give him three years and that mortgages our future.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#44 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:12 am

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LV-Suns wrote:OKC has our pick unprotected next year. If we lose CP3 for nothing, I am worried we are back to our old ways.
It's not for nothing, you have a big amount of salary space to use.


Not that much. I think we'd have about $20 million since we are over a ways over the cap...that doesn't include Payne but his hold is small so we could use the space before signing him.

There are not really good PGs out there. Reggie Jackson was great in the playoffs. Would you want him? Do you trust him for long? He was going to retire. Pistons fans hated him.

Reggie did only average 10 and 3 this year though..shot well from 3 but didn't light the place on fire in the regular season.

I can tell you right now if we don't actively try to keep Paul, our players would NOT be happy about it.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#45 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:20 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
Adrao wrote:I thanks CP3 for all this season but I won't cry if he goes.


If he leaves, we will likely be no better than a fringe playoff team next year and it would be very unlikely we'd make it out of the first round (barring major injuries to stars).

Unless we replace him with someone like Lowry, but he still isn't quite as good.

I think it also would stunt the development of all our players, particularly Ayton and Payne as well.
The main problem here is present vs future. CP3 could be useful another season but we are going to give him three years and that mortgages our future.


That was always my fear which is why I hoped he opted in and we could see what things look like after another year (plus cash savings are not as important next year as the following when Ayton/Bridges new contracts kick in).

But I would offer 2/$65 or 2/$70.

If he was going to walk without 3 I'd pony up for 3...but I might try and play hardball first...get a team option or something.

No one in the FO, coaches or players will want him gone though, that's for sure, especially since we didn't address PG depth in the draft last year.

I think Paul is probably good for another 2 years, but will decline. However, he had his best season in like 5 years, so who knows?
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#46 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:40 am

Saberestar wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Saberestar wrote:We will know pretty soon who we want back and what CP3 is gonna do. This is a short offseason.


Do we know yet ( have a timetable) for when training camp is set to begin? How long is our shortened offseason theoretically?


July 29: 2021 NBA draft
Aug. 2: Free agency negotiations can begin at 5 p.m. Central
Aug. 3: Official start of 2021-22 league year; brief moratorium period begins on transactions
Aug. 6: Moratorium period ends at 11:01 a.m. Central, allowing free agents to be signed and trades to be executed
Aug. 8-17: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas
Sept. 28: Training camps open
Oct. 19: Regular season begins


Thanks man! That's brutally short. :o
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#47 » by TeamTragic » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:48 am

CP3 leaves to go play with an aging and injury prone LBJ plus Davis and his glass ankles? I mean sure if you want all the headlines, drama and attention on you 24/7. Just wait until CP3 costs them a playoff game and watch them turn on him just like Nash.

Imagine ending your career with the Lakers as father time closes in on LBJ. At this rate the Bucks make a few tweaks and get back their injured players. They are in the finals again next season and I don't see any team beating them.

The Nets can barely keep more than 1.5 stars on the court at the same time. I'm going to go out a limb here and say that the Bucks cannot be beaten. Giannis now has a title and that team knows what it takes to be champions. Look at their home record. **** incredible.

Listen I'm **** insanely grateful for CP3 and what he did for this team but if he wants to bail to play with his buddy after what he accomplished with the SUNS then I guess this was for nothing.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#48 » by RussellandFlow » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:03 am

The Bucks can be beaten and the Nets showed that. They had to go 7 games against a Nets team w/o Kyrie and Harden not at 100%. If KD wore a 16 instead of an 18 the Bucks would have lost in the second round and Rick Carlisle would be their head coach right now. The Nets will be the team to beat next season despite the Bucks being the champs.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#49 » by TeamTragic » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:21 am

RussellandFlow wrote:The Bucks can be beaten and the Nets showed that. They had to go 7 games against a Nets team w/o Kyrie and Harden not at 100%. If KD wore a 16 instead of an 18 the Bucks would have lost in the second round and Rick Carlisle would be their head coach right now. The Nets will be the team to beat next season despite the Bucks being the champs.


I have been hearing this Nets are scary bull for two seasons. I agree that the SUNS played little to no defense against the Bucks after the first two games but trying to devalue how they clowned CP3/Book is just ridiculous.

The Bucks can beat any team right now and that includes a full strength Warriors team.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#50 » by Keith_myath » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:37 am

What we need more than anything else is:
- An athletic tall. C or PF.
- Someone who can reliably clutch score.
- Less wings. Bridges, Crowder, Johnson, Nader and Craig is far too many when only Johnson is a good 3pt shooter.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#51 » by SteveNashidis » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:07 pm

Carter,Moore,Saric -> Out and thanks for the memories. Or trade.

Payne get the SG/PG upgrade plus his MLE Salary.
Moore -> upgrade with a veteran PG with Playoff experience.
Saric -> upgrade with a tall, rim protector and above the cylinder finisher guy
Land another all star player for starting 5 if possible and go crowder to the bench * Difficult scenario*

Paul,Booker,Bridges,All-star PF, Ayton
Payne, Veteran Guard, Cameron, Crowder, Athletic Center
Plus -> Galloway,Craig,Kaminsky (Smith, D-league)
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#52 » by PittsburghSuns » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:51 pm

I don’t think CP3 will stay but honestly if we offer him more than 2 years it would be a bad deal for us. He cannot make it through a full season and playoffs without physically breaking down. One more year would be perfect but even 2 may be too long. He would be pushing 40 at that point. 3 years would be selling the future to try and win next year which is no guarantee.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#53 » by King4Day » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:10 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
RussellandFlow wrote:The Bucks can be beaten and the Nets showed that. They had to go 7 games against a Nets team w/o Kyrie and Harden not at 100%. If KD wore a 16 instead of an 18 the Bucks would have lost in the second round and Rick Carlisle would be their head coach right now. The Nets will be the team to beat next season despite the Bucks being the champs.


I have been hearing this Nets are scary bull for two seasons. I agree that the SUNS played little to no defense against the Bucks after the first two games but trying to devalue how they clowned CP3/Book is just ridiculous.

The Bucks can beat any team right now and that includes a full strength Warriors team.


I think he's just stating that this Bucks team isn't unbeatable.
If KD's toe was turned slightly, or as he said, he had a tad smaller shoe size, the Nets would have advanced and this Bucks team would probably be blowing it up. They had a magical run just like the Suns did in the West. But to think they are going to be unstoppable going forward isn't accurate.
They tagged us, but when the league gets healthy and evens out, just like it will hurt us, it'll hurt them too.
They'll still compete for a title, but it'll be a lot harder.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#54 » by King4Day » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:18 pm

These are the areas I'd look at for the offseason.

1. I know there will be chatter of CP3 leaving but I believe the Suns can offer him both money and a better chance to win. He'd be relying on James and Davis to stay healthy, and what would then be a thinner bench, to win in LA. Maybe he does it, but that's not something we can control.
2. If Paul does leave, I move Lowry to the top of my list.
3. Richaun Holmes would be my prize target. Have him, and his energy, backup DA.
4. I would bring back Nader to be the energy guy that Craig was, but hope he can be trained to finish better or at least know when to drive and when not to.
5. Bring back Frank for end of bench stability and look for a shooting big with some bounce who can take over for Dario (and cover for Stix if he's not ready)
6. Let Galloway walk and see if Moore wants to return in the same role (I don't believe he will but can't hurt to try).

My homerun swing would be, if Paul leaves, push in all chips to try and get Lillard.
Bridges, CamJo, endless picks is probably where it starts (I know we can't afford to lose the defense we'd be losing but I'm not sure who else we can give up without breaking up the core.
Then you got after cheap scrappy defenders to fill out the rest of the roster.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#55 » by King4Day » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:20 pm

I'm wondering how much development there will be since our offseason is so short and we basically maximized what we can do during this season.
I imagine guys, outside of Booker, will take a few weeks off and get back to the gym. Giving them maybe a month or 6 weeks to work on their game.

Next season, I want Monty to work with this team to allow them to try new things during the year.
Let DA take more 3's (imagine he had that in these finals?)
Let Bridges and CamJo drive more.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#56 » by King4Day » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:25 pm

Another thing to think about is, guys like DA, Bridges, and especially Booker, will know how close they were. This should motivate them to improve their game and not simply hope to get back there.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#57 » by Barkley6 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:31 pm

Couple things to address:

1. We can re-sign Payne without using the MLE. We have his Early Bird Rights which means we can go over the cap up to $10 million to sign him.

2. CP3 is staying. LA would have to make moves to open up space for Paul, because I don't think he's turning down 40+ to play for the MLE. If they wanted to clear space to pay him anything close to market value, they'd have to trade away KCP and Kuzma at minimum, which would leave them with LeBron, Davis, Trez and Gasol. Full stop. Which means they'd have to fill out the roster with a bunch of minimum contract guys. Additionally, those moves will take time to execute, and it would leave the Suns in the lurch as they'd be waiting for CP3 to sign elsewhere and have his cap hold come off, which as much as I think that Paul is on a personal quest, I don't think he's looking to torch the franchise that believed in him and got him to his first Finals. Additionally, as much as LeBron and Paul are close, I don't think CP3 thinks that's his best chance to win a ring with AD's health always a question mark, LeBron starting to pick up injuries and his own health concerns. Could they maybe thread the needle and everything go right? Yes. But their lack of depth would make them one bad landing away from a lottery team or a first round exit. Additionally, I think CP3 came to Phoenix thinking this was a multi-year project to win a championship. We came MUCH closer in Year 1 than I think anybody reasonably believed. Lastly, CP3s relationship with Monty is pretty special.

3. I think we try to keep some continuity and bring back a few of our end of bench guys. I think Craig is a no brainer for the BAE. I think Nader and Kaminsky would both be good to come back on minimum deals, though I wouldn't be surprised if only one or neither of them are back. Moore and Galloway are probably gone. Carter is an interesting one, he's tough to trade on his own, but it doesn't seem like he'll crack the rotation. The hope obviously is that Stix can start to get some regular minutes.

4. In terms of FA, I want the Suns to be aggressive to find upgrades to the roster. I think they should apply for the DPE exception for Dario, since it's restricted to a one year deal, it essentially lets us get our pick of anyone who would otherwise get the minimum by offering them additional salary. I think we spend that $ on a higher tier backup big, Nerlens Noel makes sense, or a Hassan Whiteside (though his culture fit is questionable). We should also use at least part of the MLE to add some additional guard depth, or sign a PF to take up the Dario minutes, I know it creates potential cap issues down the line, but I think we need to push hard while our window is still open.

5. I think Book, Paul and Crowder will be recruiting hard. There won't be a superstar they can convince to come here, but I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a surprising name sign for less money than we thought. Phoenix is a great situation for anyone right now. A young hungry team that was two wins away from a championship, a good, player friendly coach, a GM who understands the league and the game from the players POV, and a good city with great fans (minus the money counting guy, he can leave). Similar to how the Barkley Suns were able to add AC Green, Danny Manning and Wayman Tisdale in the years following their run to the Finals.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#58 » by Qwigglez » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:34 pm

Can we trade Carter for Aron Baynes? Shores up the Suns backup center problems and also gives the Suns that veteran presence, not to mention the big screens Baynes can provide with potential pick and pop opportunities with CP3. I feel like Baynes could solve a lot of the issues the Suns had with the Bucks.
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#59 » by BobbieL » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:35 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Adrao wrote:
LV-Suns wrote:OKC has our pick unprotected next year. If we lose CP3 for nothing, I am worried we are back to our old ways.
It's not for nothing, you have a big amount of salary space to use.


Not that much. I think we'd have about $20 million since we are over a ways over the cap...that doesn't include Payne but his hold is small so we could use the space before signing him.

There are not really good PGs out there. Reggie Jackson was great in the playoffs. Would you want him? Do you trust him for long? He was going to retire. Pistons fans hated him.

Reggie did only average 10 and 3 this year though..shot well from 3 but didn't light the place on fire in the regular season.

I can tell you right now if we don't actively try to keep Paul, our players would NOT be happy about it.


Paul needs to come back - thats for sure. If he doesn't thats a big opening and there isn't a player out there who can replace him I guess he can go to the Lakers on the MLE - but thats the only way. Maybe the Knicks pony up - but seems like that is not the fit

The Suns are the best fit.
I think I want Payne back - especially if you can use the MLE on another player. Craig - I still like him too. But James Jones cannot just sign these guys at 12:01 and call it an offseason (cough McDonough Ariza cough). Jones needs to survey the landscape of who wants to play for the Suns

The biggest thing though is Paul back so Ayton, Bridges Cam and even Booker can get better. And the Suns need to find a PG

Bullish on the team if CP3 comes back
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Re: 2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation 

Post#60 » by BobbieL » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:39 pm

Barkley6 wrote:Couple things to address:

1. We can re-sign Payne without using the MLE. We have his Early Bird Rights which means we can go over the cap up to $10 million to sign him.

2. CP3 is staying. LA would have to make moves to open up space for Paul, because I don't think he's turning down 40+ to play for the MLE. If they wanted to clear space to pay him anything close to market value, they'd have to trade away KCP and Kuzma at minimum, which would leave them with LeBron, Davis, Trez and Gasol. Full stop. Which means they'd have to fill out the roster with a bunch of minimum contract guys. Additionally, those moves will take time to execute, and it would leave the Suns in the lurch as they'd be waiting for CP3 to sign elsewhere and have his cap hold come off, which as much as I think that Paul is on a personal quest, I don't think he's looking to torch the franchise that believed in him and got him to his first Finals. Additionally, as much as LeBron and Paul are close, I don't think CP3 thinks that's his best chance to win a ring with AD's health always a question mark, LeBron starting to pick up injuries and his own health concerns. Could they maybe thread the needle and everything go right? Yes. But their lack of depth would make them one bad landing away from a lottery team or a first round exit. Additionally, I think CP3 came to Phoenix thinking this was a multi-year project to win a championship. We came MUCH closer in Year 1 than I think anybody reasonably believed. Lastly, CP3s relationship with Monty is pretty special.

3. I think we try to keep some continuity and bring back a few of our end of bench guys. I think Craig is a no brainer for the BAE. I think Nader and Kaminsky would both be good to come back on minimum deals, though I wouldn't be surprised if only one or neither of them are back. Moore and Galloway are probably gone. Carter is an interesting one, he's tough to trade on his own, but it doesn't seem like he'll crack the rotation. The hope obviously is that Stix can start to get some regular minutes.

4. In terms of FA, I want the Suns to be aggressive to find upgrades to the roster. I think they should apply for the DPE exception for Dario, since it's restricted to a one year deal, it essentially lets us get our pick of anyone who would otherwise get the minimum by offering them additional salary. I think we spend that $ on a higher tier backup big, Nerlens Noel makes sense, or a Hassan Whiteside (though his culture fit is questionable). We should also use at least part of the MLE to add some additional guard depth, or sign a PF to take up the Dario minutes, I know it creates potential cap issues down the line, but I think we need to push hard while our window is still open.

5. I think Book, Paul and Crowder will be recruiting hard. There won't be a superstar they can convince to come here, but I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a surprising name sign for less money than we thought. Phoenix is a great situation for anyone right now. A young hungry team that was two wins away from a championship, a good, player friendly coach, a GM who understands the league and the game from the players POV, and a good city with great fans (minus the money counting guy, he can leave). Similar to how the Barkley Suns were able to add AC Green, Danny Manning and Wayman Tisdale in the years following their run to the Finals.

good work - agree with a lot

#2 is important as the Suns need Paul back. And for the reasons you mention, it doesn't seem like the Lakers can financially make it work. With what Paul can add to the team, I think he is back

#1 - if Sarver is willing to pay both Payne AND the MLE< that would be the best of all worlds as I think Payne gets better but another player like you discuss in 5 would be nice. And I do think Paul will work the phones with Booker and Crowder. Javale McGee will be in Japan with DBook - my guess, it will be discussed.

I agree about being aggressive in FA and using the players to recruit. And yes, if they can use the DPE on a one year deal, just add some depth

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