2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 3 - Trade season begins

[Ghost of Kleine]

Think I'd have to do it. Kuzma is just balling this year. Would go into luxury tax to keep all 5 of Book, Mikal, Cam, Kuzma, Ayton. Then we could try to use one of those guys to get a Paul replacement.

Also that's a killer lineup if we're trying to hide Paul on the bench in the playoffs.

You'd do it even with a likely chance he leaves in FA? My guess is it would be greater than 50% given he will want the MOST money and a big role definitely starting, and wants to be in a big market.

Not sure I'd give up a chance to get the next Shai in the draft on a cost controlled contract for possibly a half year of Kuzma but at best probably an overpaid Kuzma who can't be the 2nd best player on a contender, and would have to be 3rd or 4th in the pecking order which he probably wouldn't want to be.

If NY could get him I think he'd love to go to a place like that and be the star with Brunson more than playing for a team like us.

I wonder who would trade down a Randle for Kuzma trade.

It's funny you mention that man, because earlier this afternoon I was thinking about how we could do a 3 team trade sending Kuzma to New York, Randle to us and Crowder, fillers/ pick to Washington. Although I'd personally love to get that Washington 1st honestly. But then I thought....................................... Why wouldn't Washington just pay Kuzma around 22+ million to just stay IF they're going to take back Randle's salary as they're both so similar anyways??

[Mulhollanddrive]

Let's not waste Booker's prime what he did was special.

But no player can win a title without another All-Star.

[Bogyo]

Let's not waste Booker's prime what he did was special.

But no player can win a title without another All-Star.

Hopefully new owners take care of the "GM" situation sooner than later. While Book might not be a "super-duper-alpha-on-a-title-winner-mj-kobe-legendary" star, he is special. He might be an "overqualified-2nd-option-on-a-title-winner". Which is perfectly enough to win at least one title in his prime, if he has another player like him (overall talent wise), and a good supporting cast with a good coach. We have the foundation of the latter with our 3 other young guys, and 1-2 of our current subs. While most of them migh not be here in 1-3 years, they could be turned into the said title winnig teams players.

[NapoleonII]

Booker would probably need to average 40 ppg on 55% shooting and win 74-8 games in a season to even crack top 3 MVP discussions.

Ridiculous that a Mavs homer on the General Board said Book doesn't even belong in the conversation lmao

[Sunlight]

Booker would probably need to average 40 ppg on 55% shooting and win 74-8 games in a season to even crack top 3 MVP discussions.

Ridiculous that a Mavs homer on the General Board said Book doesn't even belong in the conversation lmao

Well Booker 0-5 last 3mins. That is the reason why he is not noticed.

[Frank Lee]

I dont get the Koozma love… you want to improve our chances this yr, go get Vanderbilt. 1/4 th cost and inked next yr. Better use of a pick IMO. And we could run out a clamp down lineup with Point Book

[Frank Lee]

Book still has the lingering playoff demise spawned from his mouth and handed to us by Luka. Cant shake that.

Meaningless trophy/award anyways. MVP of the championship is the coveted crown. Id like to say Book could give a ****, but him chucking a 45’ 3 at the buzzer to break 60 indicates otherwise. The closeted stat stuffer came out… a meaningless shot except to him. And more saltiness to the Pels. We get these guys in the playoffs, it will be nasty

[spanishninja]

Book still has the lingering playoff demise spawned from his mouth and handed to us by Luka. Cant shake that.

Meaningless trophy/award anyways. MVP of the championship is the coveted crown. Id like to say Book could give a ****, but him chucking a 45’ 3 at the buzzer to break 60 indicates otherwise. The closeted stat stuffer came out… a meaningless shot except to him. And more saltiness to the Pels. We get these guys in the playoffs, it will be nasty

that shot was mainly to try to get back at Zion for that end game 360 last week. regardless of his point total he was intending to take that shot.

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[NapoleonII]

The Pels bringing out the nasty in us (and handing us 2 losses) will pay dividends later.

[sunsbum]

Book still has the lingering playoff demise spawned from his mouth and handed to us by Luka. Cant shake that.

Meaningless trophy/award anyways. MVP of the championship is the coveted crown. Id like to say Book could give a ****, but him chucking a 45’ 3 at the buzzer to break 60 indicates otherwise. The closeted stat stuffer came out… a meaningless shot except to him. And more saltiness to the Pels. We get these guys in the playoffs, it will be nasty

I kinda felt like that was a response to Zions dunk at the end of last game more than Book trying to get 60 shot.

[Slim Charless]

Think I'd have to do it. Kuzma is just balling this year. Would go into luxury tax to keep all 5 of Book, Mikal, Cam, Kuzma, Ayton. Then we could try to use one of those guys to get a Paul replacement.

Also that's a killer lineup if we're trying to hide Paul on the bench in the playoffs.

You'd do it even with a likely chance he leaves in FA? My guess is it would be greater than 50% given he will want the MOST money and a big role definitely starting, and wants to be in a big market.

Not sure I'd give up a chance to get the next Shai in the draft on a cost controlled contract for possibly a half year of Kuzma but at best probably an overpaid Kuzma who can't be the 2nd best player on a contender, and would have to be 3rd or 4th in the pecking order which he probably wouldn't want to be.

If NY could get him I think he'd love to go to a place like that and be the star with Brunson more than playing for a team like us.

I wonder who would trade down a Randle for Kuzma trade.

It's funny you mention that man, because earlier this afternoon I was thinking about how we could do a 3 team trade sending Kuzma to New York, Randle to us and Crowder, fillers/ pick to Washington. Although I'd personally love to get that Washington 1st honestly. But then I thought....................................... Why wouldn't Washington just pay Kuzma around 22+ million to just stay IF they're going to take back Randle's salary as they're both so similar anyways??

I was on the Toronto board and they were all talking about trading Siakam to us for Ayton+

I always thought that was a dark horse Ayton spot and Pasqual would be a great PF for us. It would depend on what the plus was I suppose. They said either Mikal by himself or CamJo+3FRPs.

I think I'd prefer the 1st choice IF we can get one of their other long guys back. I'm thinking Precious Achuwa and filler. Gives us a good, young center who is switchy albeit a injury prone one along with another all pro to pair with Booker who is about the same age. He's also switchable and can hit the 3.

Problems are that according to Dino fans, he'll be seeking a supermax. Not sure if he's worth that.

Thoughts?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Would anyone do this?
Washington/ Indiana/ Phoenix?
Washington-
Crowder/ Smith/ Phoenix 2025 (lotto protected) 1st ** becomes two 2nds if not conveyed by 2027.

Indiana-
Kuzma/ Saric/ Shamet.

Phoenix-
Hield/Jackson / Indy 23' pick.

OR

Atlanta/Chicago/ Washington/ Phoenix-
Atlanta-
Kuzma/ Morris/ Avdija.

Chicago-
Collins/ Saric/Goodwin.

Washington-
Ball/ Crowder/ Phoenix 25' (lotto protected) first.

Phoenix-
P Williams/ J Johnson/ Kaminsky/ Portland 23' 1st.

[bwoolf2]

Cam jo floor spacing is an underrated piece of this team it's not a coincidence that starting 5 with him in it was dominating teams. Get him back add some more shooting and size and we are going to be in good shape going into a playoff run. Takes some luck to win it all got to stay healthy and also be playing your best basketball at the right time

[sunsbum]

I’d be willing to trade Cam only because of the fact that he’s going to be injured half his career. It just is what it is unfortunately.

[Ghost of Kleine]

You'd do it even with a likely chance he leaves in FA? My guess is it would be greater than 50% given he will want the MOST money and a big role definitely starting, and wants to be in a big market.

Not sure I'd give up a chance to get the next Shai in the draft on a cost controlled contract for possibly a half year of Kuzma but at best probably an overpaid Kuzma who can't be the 2nd best player on a contender, and would have to be 3rd or 4th in the pecking order which he probably wouldn't want to be.

If NY could get him I think he'd love to go to a place like that and be the star with Brunson more than playing for a team like us.

I wonder who would trade down a Randle for Kuzma trade.

It's funny you mention that man, because earlier this afternoon I was thinking about how we could do a 3 team trade sending Kuzma to New York, Randle to us and Crowder, fillers/ pick to Washington. Although I'd personally love to get that Washington 1st honestly. But then I thought....................................... Why wouldn't Washington just pay Kuzma around 22+ million to just stay IF they're going to take back Randle's salary as they're both so similar anyways??

I was on the Toronto board and they were all talking about trading Siakam to us for Ayton+

I always thought that was a dark horse Ayton spot and Pasqual would be a great PF for us. It would depend on what the plus was I suppose. They said either Mikal by himself or CamJo+3FRPs.

I think I'd prefer the 1st choice IF we can get one of their other long guys back. I'm thinking Precious Achuwa and filler. Gives us a good, young center who is switchy albeit a injury prone one along with another all pro to pair with Booker who is about the same age. He's also switchable and can hit the 3.

Problems are that according to Dino fans, he'll be seeking a supermax. Not sure if he's worth that.

Thoughts?

I wouldn't add any (+) for Siakim personally as I have Ayton's value slightly higher as he's better in certain categories (FG%/Efficiency, rebounding ,blocks, etc).He also ha better size, athleticism and a much higher ceiling. If anything they'd need to add the plus honestly. Something like Ayton, Shamet, Saric for Siakim, Koloko, Porter Jr/ Toronto 23' first. Then I'm packaging Crowder/Craig/ Koloko / Phoenix future (lotto protected 1st to Chicago for Vucevic.
** Using both our first and Toronto's to move up for Kyle Filipowski. IF we can't move up, then I'm looking at using:

Toronto pick- Kris Murray or Arthur Kaluma.
Phoenix pick- Marcus Sasser( 1st) or Tyrese Hunter (2nd).
2nd round pick- Jamarion Sharp! (7'5 with an enormous wingspan but quick mobility/ recovery of a wing.
Kris Murray-

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Marcus Sasser- (Paul's prodigy apprentice)

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Jarmarion Sharp- (Raw but longer, bigger Marcus Camby/ Gobert with better mobility)

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Paul/ Booker/ Bridges/ Siakim/ Vucevic.
Payne/ Okogie/ Porter Jr /Johnson/ Biyombo.
Sasser/ Lee/ Ish / K Murray/ Landale/ Sharp??
(personnel for any matchup).

[Biff]

I think if we face the Pels in the playoffs again we're going to get smoked. I'll be surprised if it goes past 5.

[Slim Charless]

It's funny you mention that man, because earlier this afternoon I was thinking about how we could do a 3 team trade sending Kuzma to New York, Randle to us and Crowder, fillers/ pick to Washington. Although I'd personally love to get that Washington 1st honestly. But then I thought....................................... Why wouldn't Washington just pay Kuzma around 22+ million to just stay IF they're going to take back Randle's salary as they're both so similar anyways??

I was on the Toronto board and they were all talking about trading Siakam to us for Ayton+

I always thought that was a dark horse Ayton spot and Pasqual would be a great PF for us. It would depend on what the plus was I suppose. They said either Mikal by himself or CamJo+3FRPs.

I think I'd prefer the 1st choice IF we can get one of their other long guys back. I'm thinking Precious Achuwa and filler. Gives us a good, young center who is switchy albeit a injury prone one along with another all pro to pair with Booker who is about the same age. He's also switchable and can hit the 3.

Problems are that according to Dino fans, he'll be seeking a supermax. Not sure if he's worth that.

Thoughts?

I wouldn't add any (+) for Siakim personally as I have Ayton's value slightly higher as he's better in certain categories (FG%/Efficiency, rebounding ,blocks, etc).He also ha better size, athleticism and a much higher ceiling. If anything they'd need to add the plus honestly. Something like Ayton, Shamet, Saric for Siakim, Koloko, Porter Jr/ Toronto 23' first. Then I'm packaging Crowder/Craig/ Koloko / Phoenix future (lotto protected 1st to Chicago for Vucevic.
** Using both our first and Toronto's to move up for Kyle Filipowski. IF we can't move up, then I'm looking at using:

Toronto pick- Kris Murray or Arthur Kaluma.
Phoenix pick- Marcus Sasser( 1st) or Tyrese Hunter (2nd).
2nd round pick- Jamarion Sharp! (7'5 with an enormous wingspan but quick mobility/ recovery of a wing.
Kris Murray-

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Marcus Sasser- (Paul's prodigy apprentice)

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Jarmarion Sharp- (Raw but longer, bigger Marcus Camby/ Gobert with better mobility)

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Paul/ Booker/ Bridges/ Siakim/ Vucevic.
Payne/ Okogie/ Porter Jr /Johnson/ Biyombo.
Sasser/ Lee/ Ish / K Murray/ Landale/ Sharp??
(personnel for any matchup).

I'm a huge Ayton fan as you know GoK but if the Dinos offered us Siakam straight up, I'd drive him to the airport myself. Siamkam's a great PF to pair with Booker. Even more so when you add either CamJo or Mikal. I don't think that Moronty will ever feature him....our coach won't be able to ignore Siakam as easily.

That said, I'm hesitant to believe they'd actually trade him. I think that's more fan rosterbation and most of their board is already in tank mode for Wemby. Masai I imagine isn't for that strategy, I'd bet.

[bwgood77]

Think I'd have to do it. Kuzma is just balling this year. Would go into luxury tax to keep all 5 of Book, Mikal, Cam, Kuzma, Ayton. Then we could try to use one of those guys to get a Paul replacement.

Also that's a killer lineup if we're trying to hide Paul on the bench in the playoffs.

You'd do it even with a likely chance he leaves in FA? My guess is it would be greater than 50% given he will want the MOST money and a big role definitely starting, and wants to be in a big market.

Not sure I'd give up a chance to get the next Shai in the draft on a cost controlled contract for possibly a half year of Kuzma but at best probably an overpaid Kuzma who can't be the 2nd best player on a contender, and would have to be 3rd or 4th in the pecking order which he probably wouldn't want to be.

If NY could get him I think he'd love to go to a place like that and be the star with Brunson more than playing for a team like us.

I wonder who would trade down a Randle for Kuzma trade.

It's funny you mention that man, because earlier this afternoon I was thinking about how we could do a 3 team trade sending Kuzma to New York, Randle to us and Crowder, fillers/ pick to Washington. Although I'd personally love to get that Washington 1st honestly. But then I thought....................................... Why wouldn't Washington just pay Kuzma around 22+ million to just stay IF they're going to take back Randle's salary as they're both so similar anyways??

It's a risk to keep Kuzma who can leave in UFA....he wants a big market and money, along with starter role. i think if in NY playing a main role with Brunson, he re-signs. Washington would at least have Randle under contract to keep or trade later.

[bwgood77]

Think I'd have to do it. Kuzma is just balling this year. Would go into luxury tax to keep all 5 of Book, Mikal, Cam, Kuzma, Ayton. Then we could try to use one of those guys to get a Paul replacement.

Also that's a killer lineup if we're trying to hide Paul on the bench in the playoffs.

You'd do it even with a likely chance he leaves in FA? My guess is it would be greater than 50% given he will want the MOST money and a big role definitely starting, and wants to be in a big market.

He already said he wants a contender and $. We can give him that starting role anyway, so its not a concern. With Paul declining and no other guys who can create a shot outside Book, he'll have a massive role regardless of his ppg.

It can still **** us long term. But if Okogie is for real, you're looking at a bench of Johnson and Okogie as our 6th and 7th guys which is MASSIVE for our wing depth, and Lee's been a nice shooter off the bench too.

I think we have to go for it this year...Paul looks washed but he isn't useless yet. Next year he probably will be.

I think we may have to go for it, but it's risky. I would think it's more likely he leaves than stays, but it would depend on who has cap space. I think the Hawks will eventually offer Collins because the Hawks are reeling, so it would also depend on who the Wizards value more..him or half year of Crowder and maybe a pick/expirings.

[bwgood77]

I dont get the Koozma love… you want to improve our chances this yr, go get Vanderbilt. 1/4 th cost and inked next yr. Better use of a pick IMO. And we could run out a clamp down lineup with Point Book

I agree. We don't need another scorer, but need an upside secondary defensive dirt worker who improves our defense.