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2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

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Initial thoughts on KD for Bridges, Cam, Crowder, plus picks?

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Post#41 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:55 pm

NapoleonII wrote:The Jazz aren't taking Collins when they have Markkanen.

I don't think anyone wants him.

He's basically a Bobby Portis that gets paid 3x the amount.


I really do get your perspective here man! But it's Ainge we're talking about here and he apparently sees things differently than most. I believe that despite having Markannen ( a great floor spacing versatile big), he sees nabbing Collins too ( a great inside/ post big) as a buy low sell high opportunity in which he could recoup his value and then flip him for potentially greater assets in return.

Also, Markannen is great at the 4 as a modern floor spacing power forward and Collins has obviously shown to he miluch better at the 5 hasn't he? Inside/ outside compliment between the two. I mean sure they have Kessler Walker whom is looking like a defensive steal soon ( if not already better than Gobert)? But he's still a young 1st year big) and will need more seasoning and development before stepping into a starting role. So while I absolutely understand your perspective for how it appears on the surface.

I don't see a real conflict between those two playing together in the frontcourt BECAUSE of the different playstyles and how they'd actually compliment each other due to their contrasting skillsets. Honestly kind of like when Markannen was in Chicago playing with WCJ (similar playstyle to Collins) only Markannen has become much better now. But ultimately acquiring Collins as slim so cleverly pointed out would be an subtle " Buy low" then " sell high" type of move. I believe that's why Ainge (Jazz) are coveting Collins. :nod:
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Post#42 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:38 pm

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Puff wrote:JJ and Monty took us to the finals they are not playing fantasy basketball. You just make up a scenario you love and expect them to do exactly as you say or you pout like a spoiled brat and call for their heads. You have no idea what restrictions that they are dealing with due to the purchase of the franchise. You have no ideas what is going on behind closed doors.



Finally some sense. This applies to a lot of people unfortunately.

We've been better than anyone expected these last few years. Half the team gets injured, the team is sold and now everybody that was so great before, becomes inept. :crazy:

You and Puff are very right about taking our recent success into consideration. And of course Monty and Jones ( by extension/ default) deserve a percentage of that shared recognition too for being part of that success. But I believe the sense of urgency around wanting to make bigger moves to add significant talent is in the realization and acceptance that our success is realistically not sustainable long term under this current roster construction.


Sure we've had some great showings here and there. And in typical suns fan we've made our traditional once in every 30 years Cinderella style finals run. But the bigger picture overall taken into full context indicates substantial moves a needed or inevitable if we're intending on legitimately contending. Last season was an indication that as good as our talent can be,
We have serious and legitimate weaknesses that other teams are repeatedly exploiting and (if we're being honest here) have gone largely unaddressed whilst other teams throughout the league have continued adding on depth/ talent/ high end athleticism.

The reality is that our recent #1 option that we wouldn't have even reached the finals without is on his last legs and will be gone as early as next season. And then what??? Our franchise super max player for all his sporadic greatness has only shown to be consistent enough to be a # 2 option and not yet a true # 1 necessary to win it all or lead a team to a championship and Bridges and Ayton in their large sample opportunities recently (despite a few outlier games here and there) have only shown to he complimentary players themselves. Our bench has been relatively solid here and there too.

But overall, this team ( as constructed) is simply not a legitimate contender. We don't have the requisite size, elite level talent or high end athleticism to legitimately compete against the rest of the league's ipper echelon teams. Our recent postseason record honestly indicates this reality. Our only finals run two seasons ago was arguably a large result of " right place" right time " scenario, wherein to our credit we capitalized on pretty much the majority of opposition having their key/ or star contributors out/ injured etc. And we also in large part snuck up on teams as we were previously terrible for so long. But even with those players out it still took amazing outlier performances from our players to beat those injury riddled teams that season.

Then when we made the finals against a fully healthy Bucks team with a legitimate #1 option and an all star level supporting cast, EVEN WITH A 2-0 LEAD and only needing to win just two games for our 1st ever championship in half a century!!! We give up four straight games. The next season only served to further that reality. As teams played down and basically went through the motions saving themselves for the postseason, We maintained the best REGULAR SEASON record in the NBA. But once the finals started against actually healthy western conference opposition, we struggled mightily just in the first round against younger and more athletic teams. And we again needed outlier performances from BOTH Paul and Ayton just to get out of the first round. And in the 2nd round, we had our coaches weaknesses repeatedly exploited, our players weaknesses repeatedly exploited and our positional and unadressed depth weaknesses repeatedly exploited to the point wherein we got HISTORICALLY embarrassed and sent home early by a lesser seeded team with seemingly less depth.

My point here is that whilst we may be a an occasionally highly competitive team at times. Our true roster construction does not yield a LEGITIMATE high end postseason outcome. We can maybe win some games or a series or two IF we are lucky and things break our way. But we absolutely are not and have not yet proven to be legitimate championship contenders ( as currently constructed). And that doesn't look to improve once Paul's completely gone or completely irrelevant as early as next season. And we also don't have any cap space and/ or desirable assets to other teams. We have alot of players that are expiring contracts with no real avenues absent of trade to address those positions once they expire Too.

These are the concerns that illicit such a profound urgency to make moves and add necessary talent either through the draft ( for cost controlled flexibility) or via trades. I just think fans ( especially long term fans) are hungry for that actual championship after over half a century of waiting through every maschocist event and all the various circus of situations the franchise has put us through these many decades. :dontknow:
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Post#43 » by sunsbum » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:40 pm

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Puff wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:

"No legit solutions"

Yup all I never post about prospects, or trades, or coaches or anything besides Monty and JJ

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Yup. OK. Lol

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You are a joke.

JJ and Monty took us to the finals they are not playing fantasy basketball. You just make up a scenario you love and expect them to do exactly as you say or you pout like a spoiled brat and call for their heads. You have no idea what restrictions that they are dealing with due to the purchase of the franchise. You have no ideas what is going on behind closed doors.

I think we should hire the Golden State Warriors GM this off season and if we can't get him lets go after that guy in Boston. We should hire Phil Jackson to be the coach or if we can't get him I would hire Steve Kerr. Those are my plans. F Presti and your loser from Utah.


Lol

Look how triggered you are. What a little cuck. Very very amusing.

As to your greater "ideas".... you call my ideas dumb and you come with "let's hire Steve Kerr or that guy from Boston" HAHAHAHAHA...because Brad Stevens is just gonna leave and come here.

Phil Jackson? Hahahaha. He's like 80 you stupid **** moron. You think he's coming here?

Stupid useless post by a stupid useless poster. Your specialty. At least you stop posting about Ayton long enough to do it.

Tell you what loser, I'll make a bet that if they hire Phil Jackson, Kerr, or Stevens, I'll never post here again. You make the same deal that if they hire Presti, you f_ck off forever.

You have a greater chance finding you dick in the shower, then you do of getting them to hire either of your guys.

Now dance for me little cuck and say something else triggered and stupid.
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Post#44 » by TOO » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:43 pm

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Post#45 » by Slim Charless » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:46 pm

sunsbum wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Puff wrote:
You are a joke.

JJ and Monty took us to the finals they are not playing fantasy basketball. You just make up a scenario you love and expect them to do exactly as you say or you pout like a spoiled brat and call for their heads. You have no idea what restrictions that they are dealing with due to the purchase of the franchise. You have no ideas what is going on behind closed doors.

I think we should hire the Golden State Warriors GM this off season and if we can't get him lets go after that guy in Boston. We should hire Phil Jackson to be the coach or if we can't get him I would hire Steve Kerr. Those are my plans. F Presti and your loser from Utah.


Lol

Look how triggered you are. What a little cuck. Very very amusing.

As to your greater "ideas".... you call my ideas dumb and you come with "let's hire Steve Kerr or that guy from Boston" HAHAHAHAHA...because Brad Stevens is just gonna leave and come here.

Phil Jackson? Hahahaha. He's like 80 you stupid **** moron. You think he's coming here?

Stupid useless post by a stupid useless poster. Your specialty. At least you stop posting about Ayton long enough to do it.

Tell you what loser, I'll make a bet that if they hire Phil Jackson, Kerr, or Stevens, I'll never post here again. You make the same deal that if they hire Presti, you f_ck off forever.

You have a greater chance finding you dick in the shower, then you do of getting them to hire either of your guys.

Now dance for me little cuck and say something else triggered and stupid.
:o yikes. Looks like you’re going to be using your burner account for a while. Totally uncalled for man, get a grip.


Lol

Cause your opinion means alot to me.
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Post#46 » by Saberestar » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:52 pm

The Milwaukee Bucks and center Serge Ibaka have mutually agreed to find the 14-year NBA veteran a new home via trade as he remains away from the team, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
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Post#47 » by NapoleonII » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:23 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
NapoleonII wrote:The Jazz aren't taking Collins when they have Markkanen.

I don't think anyone wants him.

He's basically a Bobby Portis that gets paid 3x the amount.


I really do get your perspective here man! But it's Ainge we're talking about here and he apparently sees things differently than most. I believe that despite having Markannen ( a great floor spacing versatile big), he sees nabbing Collins too ( a great inside/ post big) as a buy low sell high opportunity in which he could recoup his value and then flip him for potentially greater assets in return.

Also, Markannen is great at the 4 as a modern floor spacing power forward and Collins has obviously shown to he miluch better at the 5 hasn't he? Inside/ outside compliment between the two. I mean sure they have Kessler Walker whom is looking like a defensive steal soon ( if not already better than Gobert)? But he's still a young 1st year big) and will need more seasoning and development before stepping into a starting role. So while I absolutely understand your perspective for how it appears on the surface.

I don't see a real conflict between those two playing together in the frontcourt BECAUSE of the different playstyles and how they'd actually compliment each other due to their contrasting skillsets. Honestly kind of like when Markannen was in Chicago playing with WCJ (similar playstyle to Collins) only Markannen has become much better now. But ultimately acquiring Collins as slim so cleverly pointed out would be an subtle " Buy low" then " sell high" type of move. I believe that's why Ainge (Jazz) are coveting Collins. :nod:


If John Collins was a player capable of playing the 5 (and getting paid near-max level) then why wouldn't Atlanta just build around him and Trae?

The reason is that he's undersized and cannot really shoot the 3. He'd get killed out West by AD / Jokic and probably even Ayton. He won't provide enough offense to carry a team for the amount of salary eaten. He's this generations Juwan Howard - no one really knows why he's paid so much.

Ainge is smart and will always flip for more talent / picks, but he's not taking the risk of having a mediocre, overpaid big man that isn't expiring soon.
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Post#48 » by Calvin Klein » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:28 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:You and Puff are very right about taking our recent success into consideration. And of course Monty and Jones ( by extension/ default) deserve a percentage of that shared recognition too for being part of that success. But I believe the sense of urgency around wanting to make bigger moves to add significant talent is in the realization and acceptance that our success is realistically not sustainable long term under this current roster construction.


Sure we've had some great showings here and there. And in typical suns fan we've made our traditional once in every 30 years Cinderella style finals run. But the bigger picture overall taken into full context indicates substantial moves a needed or inevitable if we're intending on legitimately contending. Last season was an indication that as good as our talent can be,
We have serious and legitimate weaknesses that other teams are repeatedly exploiting and (if we're being honest here) have gone largely unaddressed whilst other teams throughout the league have continued adding on depth/ talent/ high end athleticism.

The reality is that our recent #1 option that we wouldn't have even reached the finals without is on his last legs and will be gone as early as next season. And then what??? Our franchise super max player for all his sporadic greatness has only shown to be consistent enough to be a # 2 option and not yet a true # 1 necessary to win it all or lead a team to a championship and Bridges and Ayton in their large sample opportunities recently (despite a few outlier games here and there) have only shown to he complimentary players themselves. Our bench has been relatively solid here and there too.

But overall, this team ( as constructed) is simply not a legitimate contender. We don't have the requisite size, elite level talent or high end athleticism to legitimately compete against the rest of the league's ipper echelon teams. Our recent postseason record honestly indicates this reality. Our only finals run two seasons ago was arguably a large result of " right place" right time " scenario, wherein to our credit we capitalized on pretty much the majority of opposition having their key/ or star contributors out/ injured etc. And we also in large part snuck up on teams as we were previously terrible for so long. But even with those players out it still took amazing outlier performances from our players to beat those injury riddled teams that season.

Then when we made the finals against a fully healthy Bucks team with a legitimate #1 option and an all star level supporting cast, EVEN WITH A 2-0 LEAD and only needing to win just two games for our 1st ever championship in half a century!!! We give up four straight games. The next season only served to further that reality. As teams played down and basically went through the motions saving themselves for the postseason, We maintained the best REGULAR SEASON record in the NBA. But once the finals started against actually healthy western conference opposition, we struggled mightily just in the first round against younger and more athletic teams. And we again needed outlier performances from BOTH Paul and Ayton just to get out of the first round. And in the 2nd round, we had our coaches weaknesses repeatedly exploited, our players weaknesses repeatedly exploited and our positional and unadressed depth weaknesses repeatedly exploited to the point wherein we got HISTORICALLY embarrassed and sent home early by a lesser seeded team with seemingly less depth.

My point here is that whilst we may be a an occasionally highly competitive team at times. Our true roster construction does not yield a LEGITIMATE high end postseason outcome. We can maybe win some games or a series or two IF we are lucky and things break our way. But we absolutely are not and have not yet proven to be legitimate championship contenders ( as currently constructed). And that doesn't look to improve once Paul's completely gone or completely irrelevant as early as next season. And we also don't have any cap space and/ or desirable assets to other teams. We have alot of players that are expiring contracts with no real avenues absent of trade to address those positions once they expire Too.

These are the concerns that illicit such a profound urgency to make moves and add necessary talent either through the draft ( for cost controlled flexibility) or via trades. I just think fans ( especially long term fans) are hungry for that actual championship after over half a century of waiting through every maschocist event and all the various circus of situations the franchise has put us through these many decades. :dontknow:


I agree with this. My point was more towards people wanting Monty/JJ gone. Or hating on CP because he is old :lol: What is he supposed to do?

I do agree with you that this team is not a contender right now. I believe we were good enough last year. No idea what happened with them in the playoffs but that team was a machine...until they weren't :lol:

CP getting older and Crowder (which I believe is more important than most people think) gone means we need stuff done, of course.
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Post#49 » by BobbieL » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:43 pm

Saberestar wrote:
The Milwaukee Bucks and center Serge Ibaka have mutually agreed to find the 14-year NBA veteran a new home via trade as he remains away from the team, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.


Bucks are waiting to make a trade over waiving him in case they need to add his contract for cap reasons
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Post#50 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:56 pm

NapoleonII wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
NapoleonII wrote:The Jazz aren't taking Collins when they have Markkanen.

I don't think anyone wants him.

He's basically a Bobby Portis that gets paid 3x the amount.


I really do get your perspective here man! But it's Ainge we're talking about here and he apparently sees things differently than most. I believe that despite having Markannen ( a great floor spacing versatile big), he sees nabbing Collins too ( a great inside/ post big) as a buy low sell high opportunity in which he could recoup his value and then flip him for potentially greater assets in return.

Also, Markannen is great at the 4 as a modern floor spacing power forward and Collins has obviously shown to he miluch better at the 5 hasn't he? Inside/ outside compliment between the two. I mean sure they have Kessler Walker whom is looking like a defensive steal soon ( if not already better than Gobert)? But he's still a young 1st year big) and will need more seasoning and development before stepping into a starting role. So while I absolutely understand your perspective for how it appears on the surface.

I don't see a real conflict between those two playing together in the frontcourt BECAUSE of the different playstyles and how they'd actually compliment each other due to their contrasting skillsets. Honestly kind of like when Markannen was in Chicago playing with WCJ (similar playstyle to Collins) only Markannen has become much better now. But ultimately acquiring Collins as slim so cleverly pointed out would be an subtle " Buy low" then " sell high" type of move. I believe that's why Ainge (Jazz) are coveting Collins. :nod:


If John Collins was a player capable of playing the 5 (and getting paid near-max level) then why wouldn't Atlanta just build around him and Trae?

The reason is that he's undersized and cannot really shoot the 3. He'd get killed out West by AD / Jokic and probably even Ayton. He won't provide enough offense to carry a team for the amount of salary eaten. He's this generations Juwan Howard - no one really knows why he's paid so much.

Ainge is smart and will always flip for more talent / picks, but he's not taking the risk of having a mediocre, overpaid big man that isn't expiring soon.


Simply because they already have Capela on a long term deal and (much like the premise I described Ainge seeking positionally with a Markannen (4)/Collins (5) The Hawks valued Collins ability to hit the three and space the floor to compliment Capela's inside game and offset his LACK OF FLOOR SPACING VERSATILITY. Once Collins injured his finger and struggled shooting, that's when Atlanta's value perception of Collins changed because he could no longer adequately space the floor for Capela and became redundant to capela in the frontcourt. ?This is also why you see the reports of stated interest (for Atlanta) in trading Collins for FLOOR SPACING frontcourt players. NOW................. Utah has the inverse of this concern as Markannen shown to be an amazingly versatile floor spacing modern big for his size. But they don't have a more inside presence (compliment to Markannen) that Collins would obviously provide. Sure they have Walker who's an amazing shot blocker. But he's not a dominant offensive post presence and likely won't ever be! Collins represents a buy low/ sell high upside value swing. Especially if Ainge believes Collins (whose still very young) can recover and then reclaim his shooting ability reasonably! I think the majority here would agree that Collins best production/ performances actually came during instances of playing at the 5 more than the 4. Atlanta just had him slotted at the 4 because of having Capela. Simply a poor positional fit that Atlanta envisioned him excelling in, but it didn't turn out that way clearly!

No big deal, mistakes happen sometimes ..........right?? Kind of like mine and some others (even Jones himself) envisioning Smith being capable of excelling at the 4. But as we all discovered, Smith simply is better at the 5 (all things considered). The same premise played out with Atlanta as post injury, once Collins lost his shooting prowess he became an inside player predominantly, similar to Wendell Carter Jr. Utah recognizes that inside/outside complimentary balance a Collins/Markannen frontcourt would offer. :wink:
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Post#51 » by King4Day » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:40 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Sounds like they intend to do more than move chowder. Better protect that pick Matty

Kind of feels like a status quo approach to the Front Office as well.


I think we add the pick to a crowder deal to (maybe) get someone like Kuzma. That's the best I can think of. I don't expect any other major deals beyond something like that.
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Post#52 » by BobbieL » Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:11 pm

King4Day wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Sounds like they intend to do more than move chowder. Better protect that pick Matty

Kind of feels like a status quo approach to the Front Office as well.


I think we add the pick to a crowder deal to (maybe) get someone like Kuzma. That's the best I can think of. I don't expect any other major deals beyond something like that.


I think for the right player and if guys are healthy - adding a protected FRP is fine. But for 2023 - they have to protect to like top 20
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Post#53 » by sunsbum » Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:31 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Lol

Look how triggered you are. What a little cuck. Very very amusing.

As to your greater "ideas".... you call my ideas dumb and you come with "let's hire Steve Kerr or that guy from Boston" HAHAHAHAHA...because Brad Stevens is just gonna leave and come here.

Phil Jackson? Hahahaha. He's like 80 you stupid **** moron. You think he's coming here?

Stupid useless post by a stupid useless poster. Your specialty. At least you stop posting about Ayton long enough to do it.

Tell you what loser, I'll make a bet that if they hire Phil Jackson, Kerr, or Stevens, I'll never post here again. You make the same deal that if they hire Presti, you f_ck off forever.

You have a greater chance finding you dick in the shower, then you do of getting them to hire either of your guys.

Now dance for me little cuck and say something else triggered and stupid.
:o yikes. Looks like you’re going to be using your burner account for a while. Totally uncalled for man, get a grip.


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Post#54 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:12 pm

King4Day wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Sounds like they intend to do more than move chowder. Better protect that pick Matty

Kind of feels like a status quo approach to the Front Office as well.


I think we add the pick to a crowder deal to (maybe) get someone like Kuzma. That's the best I can think of. I don't expect any other major deals beyond something like that.


Yeah! I really think that Washington is just trying to hold out and bluff Kuzma leaving in free agency. But as it gets right up on the deadline, I think they'll start to get very uncomfortable at the proposition of him actually leaving for another team with possibly no compensation in return. I also agree that Kuzma is likely the suns top priority acquisition as he's good friends with Booker, Is a great versatile scorer, and just happens to be from Flint Michigan too. IF they land Kuzma somehow, I think they'll move Johnson back to coming off the bench, but in a super 6th man role with his increased salary he's seeking.

Aside from that, I do think they're exploring various mechanisms to still get Vanderbilt from Utah. Hopefully though, they're also targeting Sexton in a deal with Utah as well. Maybe something slightly less complicated (if possible) than my two part trade proposal in which we end up with
- Capela to replace Ayton.
- Sexton (Backup guard)
- Vanderbilt (backup 3/4 to replace Craig.
- Kaminsky (backup floor spacing 4) to fill empty backup slot.
- Holiday to replace Wash.
- Lakers 23' 2nd to add to our draft assets/ add cost controlled young talent/depth. :wink:
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Post#55 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:16 pm

BobbieL wrote:
King4Day wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Sounds like they intend to do more than move chowder. Better protect that pick Matty

Kind of feels like a status quo approach to the Front Office as well.


I think we add the pick to a crowder deal to (maybe) get someone like Kuzma. That's the best I can think of. I don't expect any other major deals beyond something like that.


I think for the right player and if guys are healthy - adding a protected FRP is fine. But for 2023 - they have to protect to like top 20

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I don't think that's bad given how tough the west is, two starters missing (or Crowder instead of Cam) but I think with CamJ and another great shooter around the group instead of Craig, it jumps immediatly, not just because of Cam, but because the team is stronger and it gives everyone more space, makes everyone better and he is just much better offensively, and he is solid on defense...more solid than people realize..probably better than Craig even on that end. The only problem is rebounding. But upgrading PG or even adding Paul who has gotten a little better throughout the season would help too. Any team missing their HOF PG and their best shooter (2 important starters), to stay as a 500 team is pretty good. Only the very top teams could maybe withstand it better, like 3 or 4 of them.
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I'm sure that this is probably mere opinion,But I still do love that Ishbia is an assertive owner looking to get things done right out of the gate! :wink:
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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 3 - Trade season begins 

Post#60 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:49 pm

sunskerr wrote:Patty Mills isnt playing because he sucks. We'd be better served with Damion Lee of the bench at PG. I really like TJ Warren but I feel like the Nets like him too.

If Masai really has interest in Ayton I'd still want Achiuwa coming back here as part of that deal.


Patty Mills isn't great but he has a lot of experience with Pop. I do like Lee better but Washington is worse, though I know there may be bias.Just look at efficiency. https://stathead.com/tiny/zQQnm

Not Washington has the better age but it's not like we'd be using him, just adding another vet.

It isn't an idea that he's better than Lee but what if Paul and Payne and even Shamet keep getting injured. If Book stays out we are screwed, though could slide Bridges down to 2 now with Cam back to start with Craig at 3/4

If one PG and/or SG is out you just may need Mills/Lee.

But the main point being, what is the alternative for Crowder?

As for TJ, he hasn't played a ton of minutes, and they may want more defense..and 3 pt shooting with Crowder. They also have O'Neale, Harris, Yuta Watanabe (shooting over 50% from 3).

Anyway, I don't know why a guy who has shot 40% and 41% from 3 the last two years and is at 54% from 2 sucks. He has never sucked and has been a decent vet.

Or Curry....though I dont know if they'd do that but maybe because he is expiring and maybe they don't want to re-sign him since Mills is similar.

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