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Re: Game 39: Phoenix Suns (20-18) @ Portland Trailblazers (10-28) l Sunday l 7:00pm l AZFamily

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:36 pm
by Fo-Real
Bogyo wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:Where are all the die hard fans and how come they aren’t posting any more?


Because this board is rife with toxic thoughts. It's depressing here lately.


That as well - although I feel that its pretty OK to point out just about now that the toxic thoughts for me are coming from watching our 2 superstars just go through the motions, play carelessly and sloppy, give no effort, do not try to play basketball in a sensible way, hang their heads, have bad body language, yet find the time to chew out minimum salary guys from time to time for mistakes that they regularly make. Icing on the cake that its just ugly basketball, even when we win. If I left out anything do let me know.


Case in point....

Re: Game 39: Phoenix Suns (20-18) @ Portland Trailblazers (10-28) l Sunday l 7:00pm l AZFamily

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:55 pm
by sashaturiaf
Frank Lee wrote:Good to see this kind of interview





Honestly I think he's just happy to be out of Washington.

Re: Game 39: Phoenix Suns (20-18) @ Portland Trailblazers (10-28) l Sunday l 7:00pm l AZFamily

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:26 am
by garrick
Fo-Real wrote:
Bogyo wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
Because this board is rife with toxic thoughts. It's depressing here lately.


That as well - although I feel that its pretty OK to point out just about now that the toxic thoughts for me are coming from watching our 2 superstars just go through the motions, play carelessly and sloppy, give no effort, do not try to play basketball in a sensible way, hang their heads, have bad body language, yet find the time to chew out minimum salary guys from time to time for mistakes that they regularly make. Icing on the cake that its just ugly basketball, even when we win. If I left out anything do let me know.


Case in point....


I think too many fans & ownership were too optimistic about our chances this season.

Although we are on a winning streak its been against teams we are expected to beat and the bad loss versus the Clippers show that we are still not on the level of the top 5 or so teams in the league and we are far far away from performing at a championship winning team. Until the Suns start beating good competition fans are going to be skeptical.

Re: Game 39: Phoenix Suns (20-18) @ Portland Trailblazers (10-28) l Sunday l 7:00pm l AZFamily

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:12 am
by Qwigglez
Bogyo wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:Where are all the die hard fans and how come they aren’t posting any more?


Because this board is rife with toxic thoughts. It's depressing here lately.


That as well - although I feel that its pretty OK to point out just about now that the toxic thoughts for me are coming from watching our 2 superstars just go through the motions, play carelessly and sloppy, give no effort, do not try to play basketball in a sensible way, hang their heads, have bad body language, yet find the time to chew out minimum salary guys from time to time for mistakes that they regularly make. Icing on the cake that its just ugly basketball, even when we win. If I left out anything do let me know.


Yeah pretty much this. I wouldn't mind losing as much if the team gave an effort. I'm not asking for perfect basketball, the team is allowed to make mistakes. But not trying is inexcusable.

The team has been performing well lately, and Booker post-game mentioned teams are trying to attack us in the 4th quarter running different schemes but it doesn't work as effectively when we got Beal there to help. It's still a work in progress and the big 3 is 4-4 currently. I expect that to improve once they get more accustomed to each other.

Re: Game 39: Phoenix Suns (20-18) @ Portland Trailblazers (10-28) l Sunday l 7:00pm l AZFamily

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:33 am
by Bogyo
garrick wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
Bogyo wrote:
That as well - although I feel that its pretty OK to point out just about now that the toxic thoughts for me are coming from watching our 2 superstars just go through the motions, play carelessly and sloppy, give no effort, do not try to play basketball in a sensible way, hang their heads, have bad body language, yet find the time to chew out minimum salary guys from time to time for mistakes that they regularly make. Icing on the cake that its just ugly basketball, even when we win. If I left out anything do let me know.


Case in point....


I think too many fans & ownership were too optimistic about our chances this season.

Although we are on a winning streak its been against teams we are expected to beat and the bad loss versus the Clippers show that we are still not on the level of the top 5 or so teams in the league and we are far far away from performing at a championship winning team. Until the Suns start beating good competition fans are going to be skeptical.


To answer two posts at once:
Fo-Real - Yea, but I did not see you denying any of what is up there. I think it'd be kinda hard to do... :(

As for garrick (and everyone else who tries to see positive things): I don't neccesarily agree with that we were too optimistic about the season. Infact I think we have been very unlucky so far, with the big 3 injuries and some other minor injuries to "key" players, which made it impossible to work out a rotation. Plus the fact that 6-7 of our minimum contract guys is not playing at an NBA level - if we just had ONE doing that, we could have a legit 7-8 man rotation. That can still happen - if we left the injury bug (and bad luck) behind us for this season, cement a rotation, and one guy out of 6 finds the magic pill and plays like he belongs - and shows that he is intrested and capable of getting another contract in the NBA next year.

So I guess I am still an optimist in that sense - I just hate(d) watching this spiritless "middy - king of court" crrap with no effort.
Beal's involvement seems to be changing that - case in point, Book played with goodish effort this game - at least better than I've seen in the last 6-8 games mostly, if I go by my eyetest. Sure, it was only Portland, but you gotta start somewhere.

(Fun stat from the Timeline podcast I listened to last weekend: Clippers big 3 played 700something minutes together this season. Our big 3? 100 and change... Raise your hand if you though this was possible in any universe at the start of the season. I didn't. Is that optimistic? If so, I'm guily... /data from about a week ago now, so thats changing/)

Re: Game 39: Phoenix Suns (20-18) @ Portland Trailblazers (10-28) l Sunday l 7:00pm l AZFamily

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:36 pm
by NapoleonII
Health and luck are two severely underrated things.

Oh, and having a front office that can see 1-3 years in advance and aren't just trying to keep their asses in their cushy jobs.

Re: Game 39: Phoenix Suns (20-18) @ Portland Trailblazers (10-28) l Sunday l 7:00pm l AZFamily

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:38 pm
by Bogyo
NapoleonII wrote:Health and luck are two severely underrated things.

Oh, and having a front office that can see 1-3 years in advance and aren't just trying to keep their asses in their cushy jobs.


Munger had the great 70/20/10 rule about the stock market - I guess it's kinda true for all "markets" in life.

(In any given year the performance of a stock depends 70% on overall mkt performance, 20% on industry performance and 10% on management performance. Over a 10 year period its 70% management performance, 20% industry performance and 10% market)

Re: Game 39: Phoenix Suns (20-18) @ Portland Trailblazers (10-28) l Sunday l 7:00pm l AZFamily

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:28 am
by MrMiyagi
Big 3: 4-4
Book/KD: 9-6
Book/Beal: 3-1
Beal/KD: 1-2
KD: 2-4
Book: 2-1
Beal: 0-0

Total: 21-18