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[mkot]

Kawhi is a defensive wing without a jumpshot, that's why he dropped.

Giannis is raw and skinny. Obviously he transformed but he is still raw and relies on his freakish athleticism. His style of play won't last and I think we are seeing it right now....

Jokic is already good at 19 if you watch his highlights before coming into the league, all the things we see now is already there, but he is also playing against a bunch of unathletic white dudes so it's hard to judge. The guy also doesn't sound enthusiastic about basketball either and doesn't even want to come to the NBA when drafted. It was a high risk for any team but for ok for a 2nd round. If he bust it's like whatever.

The reason Dunn dropped to us is also pretty clear, a wing without a jumpshot is rough so his floor is already pretty low, but definitely worth a risk for a late 1st round if his ceiling is a 3&D wing like Herb Jones or KCP.

[Slim Charless]

Well, he's still high risk high reward type of player. Him falling to 28 is odd if reports that he did very well in workouts are true. A team like Knicks with two picks could have taken a risk. But they have OG and Mikal now, so quite redundant for them. Even if not a well rounded player it's still good he has one elite skill.

Same question could be asked for Kolek though. Why nobody liked him in 1st round.

Garrick, I like you as a poster, but that's a bad take. Let me ask you a question:

Why did Joker drop into the 2nd round? Why did Giannis last till the 20s-in the bad draft? Why was Kawhi not picked till 25?

Saying whyd he drop is not a good point. Awesome players make it out of the lottery all the time.

Giannis and Jokic were Euro players who weren't scouted as much as collegiate players. Jokic in particular was a surprise to all because no one could predict that a fat and slow center could dominate the league as well as he has.

Kawhi was picked 15th one spot ahead of us, wasn't it Sarver or someone who said that they didn't get a good impression of Kawhi because he was so awkward during interviews and was sweating profusely?

Draymond. Gilbert Arenas(former scoring champ). Ben Wallace. Manu Ginóbili.

We can keep doing this if you want. Your choice. I have more names.

Point is, great players drop all the time into the 20s and lower. Teams let HOFs go by .

[Slim Charless]

Kawhi is a defensive wing without a jumpshot, that's why he dropped.

Giannis is raw and skinny. Obviously he transformed but he is still raw and relies on his freakish athleticism. His style of play won't last and I think we are seeing it right now....

Jokic is already good at 19 if you watch his highlights before coming into the league, all the things we see now is already there, but he is also playing against a bunch of unathletic white dudes so it's hard to judge. The guy also doesn't sound enthusiastic about basketball either and doesn't even want to come to the NBA when drafted. It was a high risk for any team but for ok for a 2nd round. If he bust it's like whatever.

The reason Dunn dropped to us is also pretty clear, a wing without a jumpshot is rough so his floor is already pretty low, but definitely worth a risk for a late 1st round if his ceiling is a 3&D wing like Herb Jones or KCP.

Making my case for me right here. There's a possibility lol.......maybe. Just maybe.

[darealjuice]

The concern with Dunn's offense is that his shooting isn't his only problem. He doesn't seem that comfortable dribbling and attacking with the space he'll get being a non-shooter, so he'll basically be a lob threat and transition playmaker early in his career on offense. We'd need to use him as a screener a lot for him to be impactful on offense early in his career and pray that he learns to shoot by the end of his rookie contract. He'll still need to be comfortable playing in space a bit too.

[mkot]

Kawhi is a defensive wing without a jumpshot, that's why he dropped.

Giannis is raw and skinny. Obviously he transformed but he is still raw and relies on his freakish athleticism. His style of play won't last and I think we are seeing it right now....

Jokic is already good at 19 if you watch his highlights before coming into the league, all the things we see now is already there, but he is also playing against a bunch of unathletic white dudes so it's hard to judge. The guy also doesn't sound enthusiastic about basketball either and doesn't even want to come to the NBA when drafted. It was a high risk for any team but for ok for a 2nd round. If he bust it's like whatever.

The reason Dunn dropped to us is also pretty clear, a wing without a jumpshot is rough so his floor is already pretty low, but definitely worth a risk for a late 1st round if his ceiling is a 3&D wing like Herb Jones or KCP.

Making my case for me right here. There's a possibility lol.......maybe. Just maybe.

Kawhi shot above 70% from the line entering the draft so there was hope.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[garrick]

Kawhi is a defensive wing without a jumpshot, that's why he dropped.

Giannis is raw and skinny. Obviously he transformed but he is still raw and relies on his freakish athleticism. His style of play won't last and I think we are seeing it right now....

Jokic is already good at 19 if you watch his highlights before coming into the league, all the things we see now is already there, but he is also playing against a bunch of unathletic white dudes so it's hard to judge. The guy also doesn't sound enthusiastic about basketball either and doesn't even want to come to the NBA when drafted. It was a high risk for any team but for ok for a 2nd round. If he bust it's like whatever.

The reason Dunn dropped to us is also pretty clear, a wing without a jumpshot is rough so his floor is already pretty low, but definitely worth a risk for a late 1st round if his ceiling is a 3&D wing like Herb Jones or KCP.

Making my case for me right here. There's a possibility lol.......maybe. Just maybe.

Kawhi shot above 70% from the line entering the draft so there was hope.

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I think this is most likely the reason despite a few people praising his defense the low FT percentage probably scared a lot of teams away from selecting him in the first round.

Roberson was the only player with a similarly poor free throw shooting percentage and he never improved his numbers and was always a really inefficient scorer but for a time he was one of the best defensive guards in the league.

[Slim Charless]

Making my case for me right here. There's a possibility lol.......maybe. Just maybe.

Kawhi shot above 70% from the line entering the draft so there was hope.

Watch on YouTube

I think this is most likely the reason despite a few people praising his defense the low FT percentage probably scared a lot of teams away from selecting him in the first round.

Roberson was the only player with a similarly poor free throw shooting percentage and he never improved his numbers and was always a really inefficient scorer but for a time he was one of the best defensive guards in the league.

That's his floor....and an apt comparison. Roberson was pretty good till he got injured and his career got derailed.

[lilfishi22]

I like the enthusiasm from you all but name me one wing in the league that shoots as badly as he does that sees significant minutes. The league today has very little room for guys that can only do 1 thing. Until he develops the ability to at least knock down an open shot, he'll be an end of the bench guy.

A bit wild that you all think he can be a heavy rotational piece right now.

Lol.

Jalen Suggs made 2nd team all defense and is not by any stretch of the imagination a good shooter.

Done. Very difficult Next question?

Suggs shot 40% from 3 on 7 attempts per36. He's absolutely a good shooter. You don't have to stretch your imagination, you just have to look at the stats

[lilfishi22]

Garrick, I like you as a poster, but that's a bad take. Let me ask you a question:

Why did Joker drop into the 2nd round? Why did Giannis last till the 20s-in the bad draft? Why was Kawhi not picked till 25?

Saying whyd he drop is not a good point. Awesome players make it out of the lottery all the time.

Giannis and Jokic were Euro players who weren't scouted as much as collegiate players. Jokic in particular was a surprise to all because no one could predict that a fat and slow center could dominate the league as well as he has.

Kawhi was picked 15th one spot ahead of us, wasn't it Sarver or someone who said that they didn't get a good impression of Kawhi because he was so awkward during interviews and was sweating profusely?

Draymond. Gilbert Arenas(former scoring champ). Ben Wallace. Manu Ginóbili.

We can keep doing this if you want. Your choice. I have more names.

Point is, great players drop all the time into the 20s and lower. Teams let HOFs go by .

Keep going

I'll give you 10 more that didn't do a thing in the NBA for every one awesome player taken out of lottery.

[Saberestar]

The Ringer (Kevin O'Connor) had him going #16 to the Sixers in hist last mock draft.

In his last Big Board Dunn was #16 too.

Ryan Dunn
Virginia, Sophomore

PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
League sources say the Sixers are looking to move this pick. (Personally, I’m against that idea unless it’s for a guy who outright helps their title hopes.) But if they stay put, Dunn could be a supercharged version of what Daryl Morey had in P.J. Tucker while they were with the Rockets.

And since Dunn is a vertical threat, he could play some small-ball center as a backup for Joel Embiid or even share the floor with him in two-big lineups. If Dunn figures out his shot, then he could be the steal of the draft, because even as is, he’s one of the best defensive prospects in many years.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

[Waylay13]

The concern with Dunn's offense is that his shooting isn't his only problem. He doesn't seem that comfortable dribbling and attacking with the space he'll get being a non-shooter, so he'll basically be a lob threat and transition playmaker early in his career on offense. We'd need to use him as a screener a lot for him to be impactful on offense early in his career and pray that he learns to shoot by the end of his rookie contract. He'll still need to be comfortable playing in space a bit too.

How much of Dunn's offensive issues are being magnified by Virginia's offense (which is aa draw it out and slow the game down)?

[Mr Puddles]

I like the enthusiasm from you all but name me one wing in the league that shoots as badly as he does that sees significant minutes. The league today has very little room for guys that can only do 1 thing. Until he develops the ability to at least knock down an open shot, he'll be an end of the bench guy.

A bit wild that you all think he can be a heavy rotational piece right now.

Lol.

Jalen Suggs made 2nd team all defense and is not by any stretch of the imagination a good shooter.

Done. Very difficult Next question?

Suggs shot 40% from 3 on 7 attempts per36. He's absolutely a good shooter. You don't have to stretch your imagination, you just have to look at the stats

Suggs shot horribly in his rookie season though. 36% fg 21% 3pfg and played 27 minutes a game. He's actually a good example that some guys get drafted for their defense, and manage to improve their offense enough to become impactful players on both ends.

For the record, I don't think Dunn will be a heavy rotation player in his first year. If he can average 10-15 minutes off the bench by the season's end, I'd be very happy.

[garrick]

Lol.

Jalen Suggs made 2nd team all defense and is not by any stretch of the imagination a good shooter.

Done. Very difficult Next question?

Suggs shot 40% from 3 on 7 attempts per36. He's absolutely a good shooter. You don't have to stretch your imagination, you just have to look at the stats

Suggs shot horribly in his rookie season though. 36% fg 21% 3pfg and played 27 minutes a game. He's actually a good example that some guys get drafted for their defense, and manage to improve their offense enough to become impactful players on both ends.

For the record, I don't think Dunn will be a heavy rotation player in his first year. If he can average 10-15 minutes off the bench by the season's end, I'd be very happy.

Suggs from the FT line averaged 75% in college and .337% from 3 on higher attempts than Dunn though.

I think all the stats pretty much show that for an athlete to become a decent 3pt shooter in the league the one thing they can't be atrocious from the stripe. If there is an example of such a player that was a bad collegiate free throw shooter that improved their 3pt shot I'm not aware of them.

[Mr Puddles]

Suggs shot 40% from 3 on 7 attempts per36. He's absolutely a good shooter. You don't have to stretch your imagination, you just have to look at the stats

Suggs shot horribly in his rookie season though. 36% fg 21% 3pfg and played 27 minutes a game. He's actually a good example that some guys get drafted for their defense, and manage to improve their offense enough to become impactful players on both ends.

For the record, I don't think Dunn will be a heavy rotation player in his first year. If he can average 10-15 minutes off the bench by the season's end, I'd be very happy.

Suggs from the FT line averaged 75% in college and .337% from 3 on higher attempts than Dunn though.

I think all the stats pretty much show that for an athlete to become a decent 3pt shooter in the league the one thing they can't be atrocious from the stripe. If there is an example of such a player that was a bad collegiate free throw shooter that improved their 3pt shot I'm not aware of them.

Aaron Gordon shot like 42 percent from the free throw line, and became respectable enough over time.

Chris webber shot 50% from free throws in two years in collegue and became a good mid range shooter, Blake griffin shot in the high 50%'s and became a respectable three point shooter.

I'm sure if I really searched for it, better examples could be found, but if Dunn can shoot the three ball like Gordon or Blake that's good enough to keep the defense honest.

[Book1Nation]

Happy with the pick. Happy with the overall draft, turning #22 into all this. Hopefully we can surprise and make some good trade and/or free agent signings

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[Slim Charless]

Lol.

Jalen Suggs made 2nd team all defense and is not by any stretch of the imagination a good shooter.

Done. Very difficult Next question?

Suggs shot 40% from 3 on 7 attempts per36. He's absolutely a good shooter. You don't have to stretch your imagination, you just have to look at the stats

Suggs shot horribly in his rookie season though. 36% fg 21% 3pfg and played 27 minutes a game. He's actually a good example that some guys get drafted for their defense, and manage to improve their offense enough to become impactful players on both ends.

For the record, I don't think Dunn will be a heavy rotation player in his first year. If he can average 10-15 minutes off the bench by the season's end, I'd be very happy.

Thank you.

Apparently we only look at the most recent year around here and that defines the entire career. What you said about Suggs is ***exactly*** what I was/am hoping Dunn can be:

Fantastic defender in the 1st few years and then grow into your offense.

He's a smart, hard working guy. I'd be floored if he didn't put in effort to get better there. In the meantime, he can be a terror for us on D. Like I said, I feel an all defense team coming for him in the first 3 years with us

[Mulhollanddrive]

Suggs 33% Three, 75% FT in college top 10 pick.

If Dunn was Suggs we don't get him at 28.

54% FT is an extraordinary red flag.

[bwgood77]

The concern with Dunn's offense is that his shooting isn't his only problem. He doesn't seem that comfortable dribbling and attacking with the space he'll get being a non-shooter, so he'll basically be a lob threat and transition playmaker early in his career on offense. We'd need to use him as a screener a lot for him to be impactful on offense early in his career and pray that he learns to shoot by the end of his rookie contract. He'll still need to be comfortable playing in space a bit too.

Yeah, he scored 8 ppg in college against far worse defenders, and I'd venture to bet half of those were on fast break easy dunks, etc. He will be fun to watch doing that...getting a steal or a block off the backboard igniting a fast break, but otherwise on offense, I wouldn't expect much. He won't be guarded if he's playing with stars especially so it will just cause more double teams.

[darealjuice]

The concern with Dunn's offense is that his shooting isn't his only problem. He doesn't seem that comfortable dribbling and attacking with the space he'll get being a non-shooter, so he'll basically be a lob threat and transition playmaker early in his career on offense. We'd need to use him as a screener a lot for him to be impactful on offense early in his career and pray that he learns to shoot by the end of his rookie contract. He'll still need to be comfortable playing in space a bit too.

How much of Dunn's offensive issues are being magnified by Virginia's offense (which is aa draw it out and slow the game down)?

I'm sure that's part of why he doesn't have better scoring numbers, I don't think he'll suddenly learn to shoot, dribble, and pass a lot better though.