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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#41 » by dremill24 » Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:50 pm

Slim Charless wrote:Good call on Fultz GoK, I completely forgot about him. Surprised he's still available. He's young and can pass and play D at the very least.

Something that will be needed both now and especially if we trade for Whitmore+Jalen.


Last update I saw (late November) was he's still not healthy so as of yet is unable to play.
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Post#42 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:02 pm

I wouldn’t mind Fultz on the Suns.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#43 » by Slim Charless » Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:08 pm

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Slim Charless wrote:Good call on Fultz GoK, I completely forgot about him. Surprised he's still available. He's young and can pass and play D at the very least.

Something that will be needed both now and especially if we trade for Whitmore+Jalen.


Last update I saw (late November) was he's still not healthy so as of yet is unable to play.


Ahhh I was wondering. He certainly has the pedigree to be on a team. It makes sense that he's FA if he's hurt still
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#44 » by Puff » Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:12 pm

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dremill24 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:Good call on Fultz GoK, I completely forgot about him. Surprised he's still available. He's young and can pass and play D at the very least.

Something that will be needed both now and especially if we trade for Whitmore+Jalen.


Last update I saw (late November) was he's still not healthy so as of yet is unable to play.


Ahhh I was wondering. He certainly has the pedigree to be on a team. It makes sense that he's FA if he's hurt still


We do not need another point guard. We do not use the ones we have, as a point guard. Book is our point guard or Beal when Book is on the bench or KD whenever he wants to be.

What we need and do not have.

1. A clubhouse and on the court leader. We had two of them in CP3 and Jay Crowder. None of our big Three are leaders. They are all very good players but not leaders. That is what Butler would bring or so they say. How can we get Draymond Green? That would work.

2. We need to replace both Nurkic and Plumlee.

We are not going to blow this thing up, but we should.

The suggestions should be as to how we are going to salvage this season via moves prior to the deadline.

The Big three will be together for the next three years.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#45 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:43 pm

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Slim Charless wrote:Good call on Fultz GoK, I completely forgot about him. Surprised he's still available. He's young and can pass and play D at the very least.

Something that will be needed both now and especially if we trade for Whitmore+Jalen.


Last update I saw (late November) was he's still not healthy so as of yet is unable to play.


That sucks! Second option Dennis Smith Jr? 3rd option Pat Beverley? :dontknow:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#46 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:47 pm

Puff wrote:
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Last update I saw (late November) was he's still not healthy so as of yet is unable to play.


Ahhh I was wondering. He certainly has the pedigree to be on a team. It makes sense that he's FA if he's hurt still


We do not need another point guard. We do not use the ones we have, as a point guard. Book is our point guard or Beal when Book is on the bench or KD whenever he wants to be.

What we need and do not have.

1. A clubhouse and on the court leader. We had two of them in CP3 and Jay Crowder. None of our big Three are leaders. They are all very good players but not leaders. That is what Butler would bring or so they say. How can we get Draymond Green? That would work.

2. We need to replace both Nurkic and Plumlee.

We are not going to blow this thing up, but we should.

The suggestions should be as to how we are going to salvage this season via moves prior to the deadline.

The Big three will be together for the next three years.


The vet min point guard options are to replace Jones and Morris so that we can trade them by the deadline rather than lose them for nothing this summer. Lose two depth pieces in a trade for assets, and replace the two on the cheap for depth/insurance. :wink:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#47 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:54 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#48 » by sunskerr » Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:39 am

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#49 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:10 am

Puff wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
dremill24 wrote:
Last update I saw (late November) was he's still not healthy so as of yet is unable to play.


Ahhh I was wondering. He certainly has the pedigree to be on a team. It makes sense that he's FA if he's hurt still


We do not need another point guard. We do not use the ones we have, as a point guard. Book is our point guard or Beal when Book is on the bench or KD whenever he wants to be.

What we need and do not have.

1. A clubhouse and on the court leader. We had two of them in CP3 and Jay Crowder. None of our big Three are leaders. They are all very good players but not leaders. That is what Butler would bring or so they say. How can we get Draymond Green? That would work.

2. We need to replace both Nurkic and Plumlee.

We are not going to blow this thing up, but we should.

The suggestions should be as to how we are going to salvage this season via moves prior to the deadline.

The Big three will be together for the next three years.


Jae Crowder was a leader? Now CP3 was a great leader (about as good as there ever has been in the NBA) Monty was a solid leader. Jae, while he was a nice role player, and played with energy. Heck, I preferred Tucker when he was here. Crowder staying at home and not playing while under contract because he was upset...not the type of character I prefer.

That said I agree with you, none of them are leaders. They also don't instill toughness. Lucky we have that in our rookies and that they seemed to have learn it in the prior stops.

I just wish we had more size and toughness, but could definitely use a leader. But KD and Book won't really listen to anyone.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#50 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:17 am

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I wonder if Beal would want to go to Denver. I still don't really see a trade working where he goes somewhere and we work up with Butler, but say teams did agree, of course then Beal would have to waive his NTC for the trade (he will not waive the NTC in his contract meaning it will continue to exist if he did approve a trade) but the main reason the NTC is a big deal to Beal is that he is very much a family man and does not want to up and move him and his wife on the whims of a team deciding to trade him. He wants to do right for his family and isn't the type to want to move around a lot, which is why he stayed with Washington so long. He decided to do it for Phoenix because KD and Book called him up and the organization said they really wanted him here and was going to make it home.

He's not the type to really get disgruntled either I don't think, by being benched or whatever. He is a professional. But the NBA isn't the most important thing to him.

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#51 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:28 am

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Oh God please Denver don't do it


I wonder if Beal would want to go to Denver. I still don't really see a trade working where he goes somewhere and we work up with Butler, but say teams did agree, of course then Beal would have to waive his NTC for the trade (he will not waive the NTC in his contract meaning it will continue to exist if he did approve a trade) but the main reason the NTC is a big deal to Beal is that he is very much a family man and does not want to up and move him and his wife on the whims of a team deciding to trade him. He wants to do right for his family and isn't the type to want to move around a lot, which is why he stayed with Washington so long. He decided to do it for Phoenix because KD and Book called him up and the organization said they really wanted him here and was going to make it home.

He's not the type to really get disgruntled either I don't think, by being benched or whatever. He is a professional. But the NBA isn't the most important thing to him.

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Beal had Denver on his list of the 4 teams that he'd be willing to waive his trade clause for.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/report_reveals_three_teams_bradley_beal_would_waive_his_no_trade_clause_for/s1_127_41529908

Report reveals three teams Bradley Beal would waive his no-trade clause for

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Suns writer John Gambadoro reported Monday that there are three teams the Phoenix star Beal would waive his no-trade clause for. They are the Los Angeles Lakers, the Miami Heat, and the Denver Nuggets.

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The real question would be the framework of that trade with Denver and Miami! Dunn and Oso better not be involved if it were to happen.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#52 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:39 am

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If Plumlee can keep this up a bit longer, He'll definitely be able to return a 2nd or two (per my diabolical master plan!) to turn him and salary into Nick Richards!!!
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#53 » by Slim Charless » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:40 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
sunskerr wrote:
Oh God please Denver don't do it


I wonder if Beal would want to go to Denver. I still don't really see a trade working where he goes somewhere and we work up with Butler, but say teams did agree, of course then Beal would have to waive his NTC for the trade (he will not waive the NTC in his contract meaning it will continue to exist if he did approve a trade) but the main reason the NTC is a big deal to Beal is that he is very much a family man and does not want to up and move him and his wife on the whims of a team deciding to trade him. He wants to do right for his family and isn't the type to want to move around a lot, which is why he stayed with Washington so long. He decided to do it for Phoenix because KD and Book called him up and the organization said they really wanted him here and was going to make it home.

He's not the type to really get disgruntled either I don't think, by being benched or whatever. He is a professional. But the NBA isn't the most important thing to him.

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Beal had Denver on his list of the 4 teams that he'd be willing to waive his trade clause for.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/report_reveals_three_teams_bradley_beal_would_waive_his_no_trade_clause_for/s1_127_41529908

Report reveals three teams Bradley Beal would waive his no-trade clause for

Originally posted on Larry Brown Sports
By Darryn Albert | Last updated Jan 6, 2025 5:53 PM ET

Suns writer John Gambadoro reported Monday that there are three teams the Phoenix star Beal would waive his no-trade clause for. They are the Los Angeles Lakers, the Miami Heat, and the Denver Nuggets.

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The real question would be the framework of that trade with Denver and Miami! Dunn and Oso better not be involved if it were to happen.


Let's hope not cause if those are his teams, he's staying put. Miami doesn't want him and Ish wouldn't trade inner division to LAL or to conf rival Denver.

Sigh, less than a month now. Come on, Feb 7th.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#54 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:51 am

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#55 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:53 am

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I wonder if Beal would want to go to Denver. I still don't really see a trade working where he goes somewhere and we work up with Butler, but say teams did agree, of course then Beal would have to waive his NTC for the trade (he will not waive the NTC in his contract meaning it will continue to exist if he did approve a trade) but the main reason the NTC is a big deal to Beal is that he is very much a family man and does not want to up and move him and his wife on the whims of a team deciding to trade him. He wants to do right for his family and isn't the type to want to move around a lot, which is why he stayed with Washington so long. He decided to do it for Phoenix because KD and Book called him up and the organization said they really wanted him here and was going to make it home.

He's not the type to really get disgruntled either I don't think, by being benched or whatever. He is a professional. But the NBA isn't the most important thing to him.

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Beal had Denver on his list of the 4 teams that he'd be willing to waive his trade clause for.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/report_reveals_three_teams_bradley_beal_would_waive_his_no_trade_clause_for/s1_127_41529908

Report reveals three teams Bradley Beal would waive his no-trade clause for

Originally posted on Larry Brown Sports
By Darryn Albert | Last updated Jan 6, 2025 5:53 PM ET

Suns writer John Gambadoro reported Monday that there are three teams the Phoenix star Beal would waive his no-trade clause for. They are the Los Angeles Lakers, the Miami Heat, and the Denver Nuggets.

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The real question would be the framework of that trade with Denver and Miami! Dunn and Oso better not be involved if it were to happen.


Let's hope not cause if those are his teams, he's staying put. Miami doesn't want him and Ish wouldn't trade inner division to LAL or to conf rival Denver.

Sigh, less than a month now. Come on, Feb 7th.


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Post#56 » by bullsaficianado » Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:15 am

This actually works in ESPN trade machine:
Denver out: Nnaji, Porter Jr., Cancar
Phoenix out: Beal, 2031 1st (to Miami)
Miami out: Butler

Miami in: Nnaji, Porter Jr., Cancar, 2031 1st from PHX
Phoenix in: Butler
Denver in: Beal

Of course sending Beal to Denver could come back to bite us in the ass.
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Post#57 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:25 am

bullsaficianado wrote:This actually works in ESPN trade machine:
Denver out: Nnaji, Porter Jr., Cancar
Phoenix out: Beal, 2031 1st (to Miami)
Miami out: Butler

Miami in: Nnaji, Porter Jr., Cancar, 2031 1st from PHX
Phoenix in: Butler
Denver in: Beal

Of course sending Beal to Denver could come back to bite us in the ass.


Butler though just isn't worth Porter Jr and our 2031 1st at this stage of his career. Besides, Denver would expect the 31' 1st to take on Beal. And Miami would want draft capital on top of Porter because Nnaji is also viewed as a negative contract (although nowhere near as bad as Beal of course). :-?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#58 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:29 am

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Looks like Beal is beginning to accept this role. And the vibes are improving between everyone! Not sure he'll accept going to Miami or Denver if he's getting along with the team and the vibes are good! We should probably just keep Beal, have him continue coming off the bench, and just look to shore up our center position with trades, and flip our least-used players for more 2nds. :nod:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#59 » by bullsaficianado » Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:31 am

That's likely why Nurkic is DNP the Suns are looking to trade him and getting a pick or two back to send to Miami.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#60 » by bullsaficianado » Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:36 am

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Looks like Beal is beginning to accept this role. And the vibes are improving between everyone! Not sure he'll accept going to Miami or Denver if he's getting along with the team and the vibes are good! We should probably just keep Beal, have him continue coming off the bench, and just look to shore up our center position with trades, and flip our least-used players for more 2nds. :nod:


If Denver wanted Beal I doubt he passes up being able to play with Jokic.

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