Archie Goodwin

thamadkant · Post #401 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:10 am

Goodwin is the type of player McD would target if he wasnt on the suns. Ill just leave it at that

AtheJ415 · Post #402 » by **AtheJ415** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:19 am

Goodwin may never develop, but it would be really stupid to give up on him already, at age 21. I do think his mental game is noticeably better, although that's hard to gauge other than opinion. His jumper still has plenty of time to develop. The form, at the least, looks better.

LukasBMW · Post #403 » by **LukasBMW** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:15 am

My god, he can get to the rim but he still can't shoot worth crap!

He makes Ricky Rubio look like Mark Price!

Post #404 » by **TASTIC** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:52 pm

DJ Strawberry 2.0?

I remember being psyched for him too...then GONE.

He is the perfect example of a player who should have stayed in school for 2-3yrs.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #405 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:49 pm

TASTIC wrote:DJ Strawberry 2.0?

I remember being psyched for him too...then GONE.

He is the perfect example of a player who should have stayed in school for 2-3yrs.

Archie's offensive potential >>>>> DJ Strawberry's. Come on now.

Post #406 » by **TASTIC** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:23 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
TASTIC wrote:DJ Strawberry 2.0?

I remember being psyched for him too...then GONE.

He is the perfect example of a player who should have stayed in school for 2-3yrs.

Archie's offensive potential >>>>> DJ Strawberry's. Come on now.

Yeah I agree with that, but I mean potential-wise. So I had high hopes for DJ, much like I did with Archie.

I remember thinking he was going to be the next Eddie Jones!

thamadkant · Post #407 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:51 pm

Goodwin is much better than Strawberry.
Goodwin has a 29 point game under his name as a raw 20 year old. Has the team's highest point per shot rating if not top 3. Has a legit elite skill that is only found on elite star wing players.

AtheJ415 · Post #408 » by **AtheJ415** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:14 pm

I fully expect Price to come back and Archie to never play again though. I hope Price is moved.

kennydorglas · Post #409 » by **kennydorglas** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:55 pm

It's a shame Hornacek dislikes him so much.

dremill24 · Post #410 » by **dremill24** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:12 pm

Maybe he's just not that good?

I mean yeah the season should be about getting him, Warren, and Booker minutes on the wings but let's not act like he's gonna propel them to a winning streak with more playing time.

AtheJ415 · Post #411 » by **AtheJ415** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:11 am

dremill24 wrote:Maybe he's just not that good?

I mean yeah the season should be about getting him, Warren, and Booker minutes on the wings but let's not act like he's gonna propel them to a winning streak with more playing time.

Well, it would be about development rather than wins. And let's not act like Ronnie Price propels us to any winning streaks either.

Mr Puddles · Post #412 » by **Mr Puddles** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:00 am

The thing we have to remember as well about Goodwin is that we drafted him at the tail end of the first round. Guys drafted at his position have a NBA life expectancy of a few games, that fact that Goodwin is showing signs of being a capable role player is already a huge positive. Archie was always a long term project, so we need to be patient with him. If Goodwin already had an average shot + defense he would have been a lottery pick.

Ryu · Post #413 » by **Ryu** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:23 am

dremill24 wrote:Maybe he's just not that good?

Well, we don`t know what with have in him yet cause our coach have played him in like 5 games this season.

What I do know is I would watch Len, Warren, Booker and Goodwin play, win or lose nevermind right now... It should be all about development, seeing who is worth keeping and who is not and growing together as a future team and a core.

thamadkant · Post #414 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:36 pm

Mr Puddles wrote:The thing we have to remember as well about Goodwin is that we drafted him at the tail end of the first round. Guys drafted at his position have a NBA life expectancy of a few games, that fact that Goodwin is showing signs of being a capable role player is already a huge positive. Archie was always a long term project, so we need to be patient with him. If Goodwin already had an average shot + defense he would have been a lottery pick.

+1

Some people are in a rush to get rid of him for what ever reason, maybe to focus on Booker.
But Goodwin and Booker have very different skill sets and expertise, so its not a choice between them.
Also, Goodwin's 1 million dollar salary is not even an issue for the Suns cap space.
For his pay, his pay vs production is probably highest on the Suns.

And he is 21... Warren entered the league at 21. Many other draftees entered at 21. Goodwin at 20 and younger has displayed enough for me to believe he has a huge amount ceiling left.

And I've posted this many times, but for games he has a high rate of production for every game he has played 15+ minutes. His per 36 stats on games over 20 minutes is something like 15ppg 5rpg 3apg and a steal. And that was as a 20 year old.

thamadkant · Post #415 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:40 pm

Goodwin has shown patience in the last 2 games... I think Booker is helping him realize, he doesnt have to play balls-out due to his limited minutes.

Him getting the ball over the half court then distributing it around, then looking for open lanes to cut and drive... its a sign of him realizing the "tactical" aspect of the game, which maturity brings. One of Booker's amazing traits is his patience in the offense.

Frank Lee · Post #416 » by **Frank Lee** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:46 pm

Face it 1Ups... no shooty, no playee

I see pressed duck in his future.

makes no difference what team he is on... if he can't make an 18ftr nor a free throw he wont play for anyone. Pity is he hasn't improved in two yrs. Only he is to blame as all the playing time in the world wont alter the stones he throws up.

thamadkant · Post #417 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:37 am

Had Goodwin been drafted by Spurs.. He'd be a decent shooter now. I just read up on Spurs development of Leonard... getting shooting coaches and investing on him.
Suns may have the best health fitness staff... But Spurs have the best coaching and development team.

thamadkant · Post #418 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:40 am

Frank Lee wrote:Face it 1Ups... no shooty, no playee

I see pressed duck in his future.

makes no difference what team he is on... if he can't make an 18ftr nor a free throw he wont play for anyone. Pity is he hasn't improved in two yrs. Only he is to blame as all the playing time in the world wont alter the stones he throws up.

He has improved.. And still improving. I dont set all star standards for his development rate so im still high on him.

All his haters use the Kobe Bryant bar to compare him it seems.

AtheJ415 · Post #419 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:42 am

1UPZ wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Face it 1Ups... no shooty, no playee

I see pressed duck in his future.

makes no difference what team he is on... if he can't make an 18ftr nor a free throw he wont play for anyone. Pity is he hasn't improved in two yrs. Only he is to blame as all the playing time in the world wont alter the stones he throws up.

He has improved.. And still improving. I dont set all star standards for his development rate so im still high on him.

All his haters use the Kobe Bryant bar to compare him it seems.

Many of the people who simply don't like guy X or Y would've thrown out Curry, Hayward, Nash, Jimmy Butler, and a bunch of others who weren't all-stars at 24. Hell, Butler was a role playing defender at 24 with an almost non-existent offensive game, yet our own 19-22 year olds and our 24 year old combo guard "are who they are" while having "no superstar potential" labels by much of the fan base. It's pretty ridiculous.

I get not liking a player or 2, or not believing someone will become great (so few do that if you doubt them you'll probably be right), but many have a habit of throwing out guys who are so far from finished products that it's somewhat ridiculous to read at times. Every superstar aside from those drafted in the top 3, were never expected to be who they became--otherwise they go higher in the draft. Nobody expected Draymond Green, Butler, Curry, Leonard, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Lowry, Nash, etc. to be as good as they became/are.

AtheJ415 · Post #420 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:45 am

Frank Lee wrote:Face it 1Ups... no shooty, no playee

I see pressed duck in his future.

makes no difference what team he is on... if he can't make an 18ftr nor a free throw he wont play for anyone. Pity is he hasn't improved in two yrs. Only he is to blame as all the playing time in the world wont alter the stones he throws up.

No shooty, no playee? That explains why our starting lineup features not 1, but 3 guys who cannot shoot whatsoever (Price, Tucker, Chandler), and why we keep playing the glorious chucker Markieff over Tele. Yup. Solid rule. I agree he needs to improve his shooting a lot, but let's not pretend like that's a prerequisite to play on this current Suns team.