Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[bwgood77]

Griffin for Horford/Teague makes most sense.

[KLEON]

I prefer Blake Griffin to Kevin Love.

Call him an **** if you want, but he boards, handles the rock, passes the ball, and can score at will. He simply fits. If the Clips want to break up their core, we have pieces they may want.

The thing is Doc would never trade him to a team in the same division.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zurpmyq

Who says no?

We could then draft Dunn or Grayson Allen if we like... I've actually been thinking this would be a good draft to trade down in since so many teams will have multiple picks.

[dremill24]

Is it weird that I think both teams would say no?

[JMac1]

It kills me how some of you guys want to trade for ineffective players, as if our team is going to change the player for the better. I learned my lesson with Beasley, Wes Johnson, and now Knight. If a dude suck there and can't get it done for whatever he will here. Wait until we are competitors before we try the Iguadola/Bogut type stuff.

[thamadkant]

McD's thinking is (imo)

- Get a top 3 pick
- Healthy Bledsoe
- Either Knight, Teletovic, Tucker and Morris or whom ever they got traded for.
- continuous development of the 4 young players in Booker, Len, Goodwin and Warren.

[dremill24]

It kills me how some of you guys want to trade for ineffective players, as if our team is going to change the player for the better. I learned my lesson with Beasley, Wes Johnson, and now Knight. If a dude suck there and can't get it done for whatever he will here. Wait until we are competitors before we try the Iguadola/Bogut type stuff.

How exactly are Iguodala and Bogut like Beasley and Johnson...?

[LukasBMW]

McD's thinking is (imo)

- Get a top 3 pick
- Healthy Bledsoe
- Either Knight, Teletovic, Tucker and Morris or whom ever they got traded for.
- continuous development of the 4 young players in Booker, Len, Goodwin and Warren.

I think it is:

- Healthy Bledsoe
- Healthy Knight
- Give dual backcourt one more shot. If it fails or Booker shows he is ready to take over, package Knight or Bledsoe in a trade by midseason
- Top 3 pick
- Aggressive on free agent market

- The only thing that upsets that plan is if we can make a trade by the deadline for a superstar that requires Bledsoe or Knight. Then We move one or the other.

So we start 2016 with either:

Bledsoe
Knight/Booker
PJ/TJ
Top Draft Pick / Top Free agent
Len/Chandler

Or

Blesdoe
Booker
PJ/TJ
BIG TRADE GUY
Len/Chandler

+ our pick and free agent

[thamadkant]

McD's thinking is (imo)

- Get a top 3 pick
- Healthy Bledsoe
- Either Knight, Teletovic, Tucker and Morris or whom ever they got traded for.
- continuous development of the 4 young players in Booker, Len, Goodwin and Warren.

I think it is:

- Healthy Bledsoe
- Healthy Knight
- Give dual backcourt one more shot. If it fails or Booker shows he is ready to take over, package Knight or Bledsoe in a trade by midseason
- Top 3 pick
- Aggressive on free agent market

- The only thing that upsets that plan is if we can make a trade by the deadline for a superstar that requires Bledsoe or Knight. Then We move one or the other.

So we start 2016 with either:

Bledsoe
Knight/Booker
PJ/TJ
Top Draft Pick / Top Free agent
Len/Chandler

Or

Blesdoe
Booker
PJ/TJ
BIG TRADE GUY
Len/Chandler

+ our pick and free agent

the problem is ... system and fit wise, I dont think Bledsoe and Knight are good... and whom ever star they can get or draft pick stud... will likely be lost due to the ball dominance of the 2 scoring combo guard system.


I think, use;
-Knight as an asset... trade for a top 15 pick, get another PF or a backup SF.
-Trade PJ for another pick, a late first... maybe stash that pick. Need minutes for the young players ASAP, even get Booker and Goodwin SF minutes behind Warren.


The West elite are about 6-7 rungs ahead of the Suns, and the current system or 2 PG setup NEEDs to go. I think the 2 SG setup is actually BETTER... Goodwin = Slasher, Booker = Shooter.... get Ingram or Simmons and make them the primary scorer or play maker... get a stud PF for defense and rebounding... thats 3-4 years away from being a good playoff team IMO.

[dremill24]

I've brought up the idea in other threads, but I think this is a deal that would benefit both teams.http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zkefgzg
With the CLE pick going to Utah also.

I'm not really in tune with where the Jazz are trying to go, but I think this keeps them young while plugging some holes.

Knight does better when he's not a primary ballhandler. With Hayward having that role Knight can play more to his strengths, while having one of the best rim protectors in the league behind him in Gobert, and Favors is no slouch back there. Also, going forward, he could fit well with Exum who has much better size to defend 2s, as well as be another ball handler so Knight can focus on stretching the floor and putting the ball in the hole without having to create for others a lot.

Archie is basically a younger, cheaper Burks. So there's incentive there while getting out of Burks' contract. And Leuer is the type of big that can stretch the floor and work much better with Gobert/Favors than Booker does now.

For the Suns, they need a secondary ball handler and building block. And you have to give in order to get, young wings with his talent don't grow in trees. Hood is a piece I may be too high on But he's very good in the pick and roll, and has shot creating ability for himself and others, which is something the Suns haven't had from the wing position in a long time. Burks was more for salary than anything, and the main reason I included Archie because I know the Jazz value his bench scoring. He's not on a great contract, but between he and Warren off the bench theyd have a nice scoring combo, or a piece to flip later.

I've never posted a trade before so be nice. It'll never happen. Trades are done in buyer/seller scenarios, where it seems here like both teams are buying. But I like it.

[NaturalBuns]

Bledsoe or knight will have to go.

The future should be like this next year minus FA signings.

PG: Bledsoe or Knight ( trade one)
SG: Booker
SF: Warren
PF: draft or FA
C: Len

Bench
PG: Goodwin
SG: Bogdanovic
SF: Draft or FA
PF: Draft or FA
C: Chandler ( if he can't be traded)

If we can move markieff without giving away draft picks we can use those to fill holes or just draft them ourselves.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Minnesota and NO are set for 10-15 years with their franchise players.

Damn.

[Qwigglez]

Spoiler:

I've brought up the idea in other threads, but I think this is a deal that would benefit both teams.http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zkefgzg
With the CLE pick going to Utah also.

I'm not really in tune with where the Jazz are trying to go, but I think this keeps them young while plugging some holes.

Knight does better when he's not a primary ballhandler. With Hayward having that role Knight can play more to his strengths, while having one of the best rim protectors in the league behind him in Gobert, and Favors is no slouch back there. Also, going forward, he could fit well with Exum who has much better size to defend 2s, as well as be another ball handler so Knight can focus on stretching the floor and putting the ball in the hole without having to create for others a lot.

Archie is basically a younger, cheaper Burks. So there's incentive there while getting out of Burks' contract. And Leuer is the type of big that can stretch the floor and work much better with Gobert/Favors than Booker does now.

For the Suns, they need a secondary ball handler and building block. And you have to give in order to get, young wings with his talent don't grow in trees. Hood is a piece I may be too high on But he's very good in the pick and roll, and has shot creating ability for himself and others, which is something the Suns haven't had from the wing position in a long time. Burks was more for salary than anything, and the main reason I included Archie because I know the Jazz value his bench scoring. He's not on a great contract, but between he and Warren off the bench theyd have a nice scoring combo, or a piece to flip later.

I've never posted a trade before so be nice. It'll never happen. Trades are done in buyer/seller scenarios, where it seems here like both teams are buying. But I like it.

I like it for the Suns. It makes a bit of sense for the Jazz but I think they are high on Hood, he's having a tremendous season and I doubt they trade him while he's on his rookie contract.
I'd really like to try and get Gordon Hayward on this team, even if it means trading TJ Warren to the Jazz. He's a high IQ player and having him and Booker would be extremely fun to watch I think. I'd be willing to give the Jazz Knight/Warren + Cleveland's pick for Hayward. I just don't see the Jazz being interested in Knight at all, unless they feel Exum is significantly worse with his injuries or that Hood can play the 3 and have Knight at the 2.

Bled/Booker/Hayward/Simmons/Len

[Frank Lee]

you can go through the league and pretty much cross off 25+ teams who would have absolutely no interest in Brandon Knight. Utah especially. Hood is their Booker. Both better than Knight.

Until BK proves himself here, our little inefficient turnover machine chucker is a Sun. 56+ million is a huge deterrent to trading Knight. Without taking on a bad contract (to off set giving one) we will have to put up with our Knightly news. And now he is conveniently injured. I still stand by past comments, that he would not start for but for a few teams. His role is destined to be off the bench, and frankly, he may be the undoing of McDidntSeeThatOneComing.

[bigfoot]

I agree ... Knight off the bench behind Bledsoe and Booker makes the most sense. It actually might be the best thing for Knight. The problem is Goodwin and Bogdanovic are the odd guys out. Bogdanovic might be able to play the three. Goodwin can not unless he manages to improve his shooting.

Bledsoe/Knight/Goodwin
Booker/Knight/Goodwin
Warren/Bogdanovic/Goodwin
Len / vacant
Chandler / vacant

That means we move Tucker, Kief, Leuer, and Telly for whatever we can get. Telly and Tucker should get us something decent in return ... late first round picks for certain. Leuer and Kief ... not so certain.

[Frank Lee]

Archie wont be happy with minor mop up minutes. No way he re-signs here, and even odds he squawks his way out if he has to play third fiddle next yr.

I'm looking for Knight to hang it up for the season soon. Goodwin is essentially auditioning for his next team. Something has to change. Who knows... may be Goodwin balls his way above BK in the rotations.

And there is no guarantee Bogdan comes over. Would you join this log jam ?

[Djedefre]

I'm pretty sure Bogdan will be given the role of Weems from the start of the season - off the bench swingman and secondary creator.

[carey]

Archie wont be happy with minor mop up minutes. No way he re-signs here, and even odds he squawks his way out if he has to play third fiddle next yr.

I'm looking for Knight to hang it up for the season soon. Goodwin is essentially auditioning for his next team. Something has to change. Who knows... may be Goodwin balls his way above BK in the rotations.

And there is no guarantee Bogdan comes over. Would you join this log jam ?

Knight has a sports hernia that apparently doesn't require surgery. I'm not sure he's done for the season. It won't effect the record if he plays so it doesn't matter too much. One thing I was thinking about after the game... the team signs Jordan McRae to a 10-day and promptly gives him 25 minutes last night. Do you know how many minutes Alex Len got? 17. T.J. Warren? 20. I think both of those guys should be pretty pissed off. Though I believe the rotations will look drastically different post trade deadline.

[carey]

I'm pretty sure Bogdan will be given the role of Weems from the start of the season - off the bench swingman and secondary creator.

I still don't think Bogdan is coming any time soon. He's going to wait until he can sign a contract for whatever he can negotiate instead of the standard rookie deal of a 27th pick.

[Puff]

Archie wont be happy with minor mop up minutes. No way he re-signs here, and even odds he squawks his way out if he has to play third fiddle next yr.

I'm looking for Knight to hang it up for the season soon. Goodwin is essentially auditioning for his next team. Something has to change. Who knows... may be Goodwin balls his way above BK in the rotations.

And there is no guarantee Bogdan comes over. Would you join this log jam ?

Knight has a sports hernia that apparently doesn't require surgery. I'm not sure he's done for the season. It won't effect the record if he plays so it doesn't matter too much. One thing I was thinking about after the game... the team signs Jordan McRae to a 10-day and promptly gives him 25 minutes last night. Do you know how many minutes Alex Len got? 17. T.J. Warren? 20. I think both of those guys should be pretty pissed off. Though I believe the rotations will look drastically different post trade deadline.

You seem surprised that Hornacek gave Alex only 17 minutes and Warren 20.

Horancek's allocation of minutes is the major reason we suck and that it really appears that he has lost the locker room. This is not new. It all started last year when he changed the minutes and role for Goran and Green. He has never given Alex or Warren consistent minutes in the past 2 years for more than a few games at a time. If Alex and Warren are part of our future it is hard to understand why they are not getting consistent minutes every night. Maybe they are not part of our future. If they are then it is time for McDonough to step in or out.

When I watch Alex he really just seems to be going through the motions, even more so than Markieff. On the occasion when he has fire in his belly he seems to be pretty effective. Unfortunately he doesn't get the ball consistently and he really does not appear to be happy, the same goes with Warren.

I am tired of hearing that Hornacek's major problem is due to all the injuries. He had no consistent plan when everyone was healthy other than creating an offense predicated on the two guards jacking contested 3 pointers. Alex and Warren's minutes were inconsistent when everyone was healthy. They have remained so even when they were healthy and several players were injured. He complains that the team does not run his offense and that the plays are there. Maybe Hornacek need to change his plan to fit the talent.

I repeat for the umpteenth time. Hornacek has lost the locker room and needs to go, now.