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1UPZ wrote:cosmofizzo wrote:We're not a good landing spot for Millsap for the simple reason that he shouldn't want to re-sign here.
Suns do have benefits by trading for Milsap.
Suns can dump 2 long term contracts for an expiring.
Knight and Tucker for Milsap.
Milsap is an expiring who will opt out... So his value is low to most.
LukasBMW wrote:- I want nothing to do with Rondo.
- TJ Warren is the only Sun other then Booker to get any kind of praise on the general board of realGM. That shows you that even casual fans of other teams have noticed he is special. I still think he may be our best player and I love what I saw from him before the mystery injury. I hope we keep him. As long as he stays healthy and keeps his legendary passion for the game, I KNOW he will be an allstar. I want him back in the starting lineup asap.
- We need some vets to keep the balance on this team. Barbosa is on a great contract. Dudley signed for the long haul. Chandler is a great leader. I want to keep all of those guys around unless we get a really good offer for them. Late 1st round picks are usually worthless, I'd rather have some solid leadership for our young team.
- I fully expect the Suns to try to make a playoff run. Since we are only 5 games out, Sarver will not let us tank or pull the trade ripcord unless we can get a killer deal. The only way we move Bledsoe or Chandler (both of which are playing very well for us) is if we get back something great in return. The only guy I think we are shopping is Knight because he is just not fitting in and also doesn't seem to play like Watson wants him to play. That said, I think McDonough won't move Knight unless he can get equal value back. Mc Donough must save face and he knows it. Ideally, I'd like to see Knight moved for young talent OR packaged with other vets for someone significant. But I would not be surprised if we ended up moving Knight for a player that Sarver thinks would help us make a playoff run even if that player is older.
- Regarding my above comment, I would not be shocked if we moved Knight and maybe other assets for either a 6th man gunner type (to fill the bench scoring role Knight was supposed to play) OR a starting 4. You gotta figure that Sarver & McDonough know Bledsoe and Chandler have played their part and also realize Booker and TJ are the future. Barbosa and Tucker have been solid for us in limited roles. The missing piece is a starting 4 that can help us get points in the paint OR a gunner off the bench to help us with scoring.
LukasBMW wrote:I would not be shocked if we went after Milsap.
Knight to Philly
Okafor or Noel to Atl
Milsap to Phx
Who says no?
Atl gets another young big with potential that is either on a rookie contract or is a RFA. Philly gets a PG. We get a PF to make a playoff run.
Would love love love to snag Korver too. Maybe if we throw in Len or involve a 4th team?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zvjdbxb
Bledsoe/Barbosa/Ulis
Booker/Korver
TJ/PJ/Bender
Milsap/Chriss/Dudley
Chandler/Sauce
asudevil wrote:With the new CBA, draft picks will have a ton of value after the rookie deal is up. I hope that McD realizes this and banks on a good draft history in favor of trading for an expiring contract that will eat away at cap space next year. Millsap makes us good in the short term, but not good enough. And paying max max deal to a guy like him, will only hurt us in the near term and long term.
If anything the road is trading away vets for picks, but i would not have a problem trading for a star player if their commitment to the team is strong.
bwgood77 wrote:1UPZ wrote:Regarding Nuggets and Hawks for Milsap.. Are Nuggets willing to dump Faried to clear space next season by trading him for Milsap? They are still too far away to be freeing up cap space for FAs.
Nuggets are closer to the playoffs than us and have some good vets and some good young pieces....and two firsts this year. They could trade or keep Faried, Chandler, Gallinari to give Atlanta a vet but also are loaded with young guys but maybe too many...they have Gary Harris and Jamal Murray, and then also Will Barton. They could also trade Nurkic (doubt they would part with Jokic).
They could easily propose a trade of Faried, Harris, Nurkic and the Memphis first for Millsap and really not deplete their team that much.
They also have Juancho Hernangomez who will likely become good so they can afford to deal and give Millsap a max. They have so many assets and need to consolidate.
That would still leave them with
Mudiay, Nelson, Murray
Barton, Murray
Chandler, Gallinari
Millsap, Gallinari, Hernangomez
Jokic
They could then use their own pick to draft a backup center.
Or, considering Atlanta has Howard they could keep Horford and give them a great win now player like Chandler.
bwgood77 wrote:1UPZ wrote:Regarding Nuggets and Hawks for Milsap.. Are Nuggets willing to dump Faried to clear space next season by trading him for Milsap? They are still too far away to be freeing up cap space for FAs.
Nuggets are closer to the playoffs than us and have some good vets and some good young pieces....and two firsts this year. They could trade or keep Faried, Chandler, Gallinari to give Atlanta a vet but also are loaded with young guys but maybe too many...they have Gary Harris and Jamal Murray, and then also Will Barton. They could also trade Nurkic (doubt they would part with Jokic).
They could easily propose a trade of Faried, Harris, Nurkic and the Memphis first for Millsap and really not deplete their team that much.
They also have Juancho Hernangomez who will likely become good so they can afford to deal and give Millsap a max. They have so many assets and need to consolidate.
That would still leave them with
Mudiay, Nelson, Murray
Barton, Murray
Chandler, Gallinari
Millsap, Gallinari, Hernangomez
Jokic
They could then use their own pick to draft a backup center.
Or, considering Atlanta has Howard they could keep Horford and give them a great win now player like Chandler.
NavLDO wrote:Spoiler:
I haven't recently looked at Denver's roster/depth chart, but knew they had a strong young team, but my goodness, do they have a lot of young talent. I'm surprised they aren't doing better, tbh, but that goes to show the importance of a solid PG...
...so with that said, and seeing that they are closer to being a 'win-now' team than we are, and the fact that I keep trying to find a home for Bledsoe that isn't the Suns in order to a) solidify our 'tank' and b) get us our PG of the future, which I believe Bledsoe should NOT be the PG we build around, how about this as a trade idea. I know, I know--spare me the 'why would Denver and Phoenix trade' or 'why would Denver want Bledsoe when they have Mudiay' comments. The fact is, Mudiay is not getting it done, despite all the talent on the Nuggets, and Bledsoe can help them to win NOW for a year or two, while Mudiay develops.
Anyway, let me have my dream that this might actually work, since I think this would set us up nicely, and as you stated, BW, the Nuggets need to consolidate; they have TOO MUCH young talent and not enough minutes to go around. When a PF of Faried's caliber is playing backup minutes, that's a clear sign that you do not have enough minutes to go around. They also have 2 1st Rd SGs that get virtually no minutes (Murray/Beasley).
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jvblylv ...plus Denver's Lotto protected 2017 1st (they own Memphis' 2017 1st, so likely not a huge deal to trade that away)
Leaves us with (assuming we do not trade Knight in a separate trade, which I think absolutely happens):
(Knight)/Nelson/Ulis
Booker/Harris/Barbosa/Jenkins
Warren/Tucker/Bender
Faried/Chriss/Dudley
Len/Nurkic
...which ensures our demise, yet gives Chriss/Bender some 'true' PF mentorship, to go long with Dudley's 'Stretch 4' mentorship. Plus, gives us a small-ball 5 in Faried like he's been playing in Denver, which replaces Big Sauces minutes, and vice versa, below...
...and gives the Nuggets more room to play their 'new' SGs (why draft 2 SGs if they weren't planning on replacing Harris, huh??), and gives them a 'better', playoff-seasoned back-up Center in Chandler to help groom Jokic, and, of course, 2 good PGs, with Bledsoe tipping the scales to get them over that hump and into the playoffs...
Bledsoe/Mudiay
Barton/Murray/Beasley
Gallinari/Hernangomez/Gee/Miller
Chandler/Arthur
Jokic/Chandler/Sauce
That's a 6th seed, at worst, this year...
I think Denver jumps at that deal, if offered. For us, it's not quite fair value, but again, 'addition by subtraction' in replacing Chandler with a younger Center that may even beat out Len to be our starter, and by getting the 'square peg' PG in Bledsoe off our roster so we can go after a more suitable PG for our future. Faried also gives us a PF for a couple of years until Chriss/Bender are actually ready for starter minutes. And Faried is actually on a very good contract--a very 'tradable' contract, should we ever decide to go that route, so really, think of Faried more of as an 'asset' than a 'player'. Taking all of that into consideration, and I think it's fair for both sides, but if McD can eek out a draft pick in the process, then by all means, let's add that to the pkg coming into us, if that helps you to digest this trade option.
Thoughts??
“I’m not mad,” Dudley tells me. “Just being a pro. Still helping the young guys.”
Dudley goes on to explain how he’s handling it.
“I was brought here for many reasons,” Dudley says to me. “And the main one is to help Bender and Chriss develop and show the young guys how to be a pro. So this is one example. When things don't go your way you have to be professional, work harder and try to be ready when your opportunity is called.
“This is not a demotion. I'm still helping even though I'm not playing. My time will come again.”
Saberestar wrote:Phoenix Suns forward Jared Dudley shares his thoughts with Bright Side on losing his playing time this past week despite a great start to the season.“I’m not mad,” Dudley tells me. “Just being a pro. Still helping the young guys.”
Dudley goes on to explain how he’s handling it.
“I was brought here for many reasons,” Dudley says to me. “And the main one is to help Bender and Chriss develop and show the young guys how to be a pro. So this is one example. When things don't go your way you have to be professional, work harder and try to be ready when your opportunity is called.
“This is not a demotion. I'm still helping even though I'm not playing. My time will come again.”
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/1/2/14145336/phoenix-suns-jared-dudley-on-dnps-this-is-not-a-demotion-im-still-helping
bhawk wrote:Class. Act. Wish there were more Dudley's in the league. Better yet, a Dudley with athleticism and better skills.
NavLDO wrote:Thoughts??
Saberestar wrote:NavLDO wrote:Thoughts??
I do not like it. I prefer Bledsoe, even with his poor passing, over Faried or Harris.
Saberestar wrote:Phoenix Suns forward Jared Dudley shares his thoughts with Bright Side on losing his playing time this past week despite a great start to the season.“I’m not mad,” Dudley tells me. “Just being a pro. Still helping the young guys.”
Dudley goes on to explain how he’s handling it.
“I was brought here for many reasons,” Dudley says to me. “And the main one is to help Bender and Chriss develop and show the young guys how to be a pro. So this is one example. When things don't go your way you have to be professional, work harder and try to be ready when your opportunity is called.
“This is not a demotion. I'm still helping even though I'm not playing. My time will come again.”
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/1/2/14145336/phoenix-suns-jared-dudley-on-dnps-this-is-not-a-demotion-im-still-helping
jeff2020 wrote:Saberestar wrote:NavLDO wrote:Thoughts??
I do not like it. I prefer Bledsoe, even with his poor passing, over Faried or Harris.
In today's a NBA you can't have a lineup of warren, Faried and Len on the floor starting. Have to have 3 shooters on the floor at all times to stretch the floor. That would be a bottom 10 team year in and year out. Gotta get a lot more value for Bledsoe if we are gonna trade him