Draft Discussion Part 3

[Dambo]

I trust McDonough. If he says Monk is the guy...it's Monk. If he says Fox is the guy...it's fox. If he says Tatum...it's Tatum.

If he says Ball...

He's gonna say Ball.. you all better all get used to it

[JMac1]

I trust McDonough. If he says Monk is the guy...it's Monk. If he says Fox is the guy...it's fox. If he says Tatum...it's Tatum.

If he says Ball...

I am afraid of Ball.

[AtheJ415]

It would be nice but right now I am still in the frame of mind that I would trade the 4th and next years Miami pick to move up to get Jackson.

No way.

You understand that due to the heat clearing Bosh off their books they are going to have over 35 million to spend on bring in talent for next year and the pick is top 7 protected. So likely they are going to be pushing to get in the playoffs next year. 14th + picks are nice but when you can add a player like Jackson who fits so many things that the team needs over a dream of some player next year I would do it.

You never know with Miami. First off, I would never trade the unprotected pick a few years from now. I would consider trading next year's due to the protection, but I doubt I would do it to move up 1 spot in this draft unless something unexpected happens, such as Fultz or Ball falling. Jackson is a great player, but I wouldn't trade a late lotto or high playoff type pick to get him when there are guys at 4 (Isaac, Smith, Fox) who have just as good of odds of being a star imo.

Also, they haven't been getting all of the free agents they want since Lebron left, and the way Wade and Bron left make it arguably less attractive to an FA. That team has a lot locked into a couple of questionable guys, and Winslow doesn't look like the destined star many thought at the time of the draft.

They will have to pay to keep some guys who played well for them last year (Waiters, for instance), and I just don't see that team morphing into a contender. My hope is they use up their cap space on non-franchise guys, leaving them in playoff limbo for the next few years and horrible the year we have the unprotected pick.

[Waylay13]

I trust McDonough. If he says Monk is the guy...it's Monk. If he says Fox is the guy...it's fox. If he says Tatum...it's Tatum.

If he says Ball...

I am afraid of Ball.

Ball scares me too!

[Waylay13]

Jackson is a great player, but I wouldn't trade a late lotto or high playoff type pick to get him when there are guys at 4 (Isaac, Smith, Fox) who have just as good of odds of being a star imo.

The real difference between Jackson and Smith and Fox is that Jackson doesnt have to be the center of the offensive to make an impact. Fox is years away from being able to play his current game in the NBA (adding 30 lbs of muscle doesnt happen overnight) and Smith has to show that he is going to make any effort to improve his game and become a playmaker for me to even think of him with a lottery pick. Jackson will go out and make an impact with his steals, blocks, defense and slashing to the basket without a play being run for him.

[LukasBMW]

No way.

You understand that due to the heat clearing Bosh off their books they are going to have over 35 million to spend on bring in talent for next year and the pick is top 7 protected. So likely they are going to be pushing to get in the playoffs next year. 14th + picks are nice but when you can add a player like Jackson who fits so many things that the team needs over a dream of some player next year I would do it.

You never know with Miami. First off, I would never trade the unprotected pick a few years from now. I would consider trading next year's due to the protection, but I doubt I would do it to move up 1 spot in this draft unless something unexpected happens, such as Fultz or Ball falling. Jackson is a great player, but I wouldn't trade a late lotto or high playoff type pick to get him when there are guys at 4 (Isaac, Smith, Fox) who have just as good of odds of being a star imo.

Also, they haven't been getting all of the free agents they want since Lebron left, and the way Wade and Bron left make it arguably less attractive to an FA. That team has a lot locked into a couple of questionable guys, and Winslow doesn't look like the destined star many thought at the time of the draft.

They will have to pay to keep some guys who played well for them last year (Waiters, for instance), and I just don't see that team morphing into a contender. My hope is they use up their cap space on non-franchise guys, leaving them in playoff limbo for the next few years and horrible the year we have the unprotected pick.

Who is Miami going to sign this year?

-KD and Steph are staying put
-Hayward is staying with Utah or bolting to Boston.
-Blake will take his last big payday
-CP3 will take his last max deal or head to San Antonio

Lowery, Millsap, and Holiday are the next best. But Holiday/Lowery are not THAT much better then Dragic and Millsap is getting up there.

I think there is a big chance they don't make the playoffs next year and maybe test that top 7 protection.

A pick at 10-14 in next years frontcourt loaded draft in addition to our own pick gives us great options.

[DirtyDez]

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[AtheJ415]

Jackson is a great player, but I wouldn't trade a late lotto or high playoff type pick to get him when there are guys at 4 (Isaac, Smith, Fox) who have just as good of odds of being a star imo.

The real difference between Jackson and Smith and Fox is that Jackson doesnt have to be the center of the offensive to make an impact. Fox is years away from being able to play his current game in the NBA (adding 30 lbs of muscle doesnt happen overnight) and Smith has to show that he is going to make any effort to improve his game and become a playmaker for me to even think of him with a lottery pick. Jackson will go out and make an impact with his steals, blocks, defense and slashing to the basket without a play being run for him.

It's weird to say that when the other 2 are point guards. It's apples and oranges comparison imo. Fox does the other things well (defense, winning plays) also.

Isaac, who I also added, is maybe the most effective without the ball. He barely got the ball at FSU and was still an all-american caliber guy.

I like Jackson. I would pick him over all others except for Fultz and Ball, but I would not be for trading additional guys to take him over Isaac or Smith or Fox. He just isn't that far ahead of them in my opinion. Not when he shoots FT's the way he does.

[Saberestar]

Gambo said just a few minutes ago that our FO went to Las Vegas this last weekend to watch a private workout from Jonathan Isaac.

Sarver, a couple scouts, McDonough and Watson were in Las Vegas. They didn't say nothing to the media.

Really interesting.

[bwgood77]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/6/15746608/nba-draft-rumors-kings-willing-to-trade-picks-5-and-10-move-up-for-deaaron-fox-philadelphia-76ers

Helps us a ton either way. If Fox is drafted Ball or Jackson falls, if not, we get 5 and 10.....and don't lose the guy we want unless we want Fox.

Exactly. So I look at it like this:

A. The draft goes as expected, Fultz/Ball/Jackson and we can then trade our pick to Sacramento and end up with Tatum or Monk while also getting Collins or Ntilikina.

B. Lakers end up taking Fox over Ball and that leaves us Jackson or Ball.

C. Philly plays the game and trades them the #3 and we still land Jackson.

It's seriously a win-win-the if the story is correct, and I'm guessing it is.

I think it makes perfect sense for Philly to trade down and take Monk or Smith. Theoretically they could end up with both, but likely not.

We could offer Bledsoe for the 10th then, but if we draft Jackson, I'd doubt a PG worth trading Bledsoe would be there, or if it would be worth it.

[bwgood77]

No way.

You understand that due to the heat clearing Bosh off their books they are going to have over 35 million to spend on bring in talent for next year and the pick is top 7 protected. So likely they are going to be pushing to get in the playoffs next year. 14th + picks are nice but when you can add a player like Jackson who fits so many things that the team needs over a dream of some player next year I would do it.

You never know with Miami. First off, I would never trade the unprotected pick a few years from now. I would consider trading next year's due to the protection, but I doubt I would do it to move up 1 spot in this draft unless something unexpected happens, such as Fultz or Ball falling. Jackson is a great player, but I wouldn't trade a late lotto or high playoff type pick to get him when there are guys at 4 (Isaac, Smith, Fox) who have just as good of odds of being a star imo.

Also, they haven't been getting all of the free agents they want since Lebron left, and the way Wade and Bron left make it arguably less attractive to an FA. That team has a lot locked into a couple of questionable guys, and Winslow doesn't look like the destined star many thought at the time of the draft.

They will have to pay to keep some guys who played well for them last year (Waiters, for instance), and I just don't see that team morphing into a contender. My hope is they use up their cap space on non-franchise guys, leaving them in playoff limbo for the next few years and horrible the year we have the unprotected pick.

I don't see them as a contender. But they could be a solid playoff team without adding much if they continue next season as they ended this one. I think they had one of the best records in the league for like the second half of the season. Like top 5 or something for the last 25 games or something around there. I may be a little off, but even if a top 10 team in the league during that time, it could be worth a fairly high seed in the east.

It doesn't make sense looking at their roster, but that's what happened.

I don't think I'd trade it to move up one spot either though and definitely wouldn't move the 2021 one.

[PackSuns]

I am torn on Dennis Smith. I have seen him play for many years and he is a super talented guard. I would venture to say that he has the most upside in this draft and he is probably the best athlete as well. It's tough to analyze his play last year. I hear a lot of folks saying he needs to work on his passing etc but the fail to realize that he led the ACC in assists last year. I don't question his drive. He is a fierce competitor. The NC State locker room was a disaster last year. Issues with an upperclassmen, a lame duck coach etc. I have heard stories that DSJ was an issue and others that said he was a model teammate. Have you ever broke up with a girl/boy and then had to still live with them for 6 months? That's how I would describe last years NC State team.

[Dambo]

I can actually consider Isaac being a more worst pick than Ball.

[MathiasPW]

Sacramento would likely not trade both picks, but maybe 5 and WCS or Papagiannis (how fun would that be to have him and Bender on the same team)

[thamadkant]

I mentioned earlier that Isaac is a McD type pick.. and I lean towards that.

Jackson would be my choice, but I think having 3 6'10+ guys at the SF, PF and C spot who all can switch around and score from the perimeter or by slashing is a very appealing tactic.

If Suns can get another top 5 pick, maybe by trading Bledsoe I would aim for Jackson.
I think having 5 players who can guard 3-4 positions at all times whilst have the skills to dribble and create shots for themselves or others is where the league is going... fortunately or unfortunately.

They really need to fix the post and inside game again, maybe call the game more favorable to big post players, make it any contact during a post move in the motion of scoring a foul.... like what they call the game towards perimeter star players today.

[mikefly3113]

First off I still think Lakers will take Ball, but if they don't I think Mcdonough must take him. The guy is a 6'6" pure pass first point guard with great athleticism. He has an ugly shot but has proven he can knock it down from way deep. Going forward I think its pretty obvious Booker is going to be a ball dominant 2 guard averaging 25-30 ppg, this means the rest of the team is going to need a facilitator to get them easy buckets as well as a point guard to hit the open 3 when booker is double teamed which Ball should be able to do with ease. The idea of Ball running a fast break with the option of a Booker/Bender pull up 3 or a Chriss dunk has me salivating.

[LukasBMW]

First off I still think Lakers will take Ball, but if they don't I think Mcdonough must take him. The guy is a 6'6" pure pass first point guard with great athleticism. He has an ugly shot but has proven he can knock it down from way deep. Going forward I think its pretty obvious Booker is going to be a ball dominant 2 guard averaging 25-30 ppg, this means the rest of the team is going to need a facilitator to get them easy buckets as well as a point guard to hit the open 3 when booker is double teamed which Ball should be able to do with ease. The idea of Ball running a fast break with the option of a Booker/Bender pull up 3 or a Chriss dunk has me salivating.

Ball - Passing/Shooting
Booker - Shooting
TJ - Cutting/Slashing
Bender - Passing/Shooting
Chriss - Dunking/Shooting

On paper it looks like it has potential on offense

-All 5 guys have 3 point range and if TJ improves his consistency...wow! Bender and Chriss will start seeing their shots fall with time.

-Bender and Ball are excellent passers. They'll be able to find TJ/Chriss in traffic.

-Booker is really the only one-on-one/isolation player. So if we need a halfcourt bucket, it's on his shoulders


Height wise, it's pretty traditional and maybe even slightly above average: 7'1", 6"9, 6'7, 6'6, and 6'6"

Defense wise, it's a disaster.

[LukasBMW]

If we draft Ball and have faith in Ulis, we could also possibly add Issac/Jackson/Tatum if we trade Bledsoe.

Tatum gives us another iso scorer.
Jackson gives us another possible playmakrer
Issac gives us another front line freak of nature.

So interesting.

[mikefly3113]

If we draft Ball and have faith in Ulis, we could also possibly add Issac/Jackson/Tatum if we trade Bledsoe.

Tatum gives us another iso scorer.
Jackson gives us another possible playmakrer
Issac gives us another front line freak of nature.

So interesting.

If we drafted Ball and traded bledsoe to Orl or Sac (Both teams really need a pg) and draft Tatum or Issac as well it would be a dream come true. I future starting 5 of <Ball, Booker, Tatum/Issac, Chriss, Bender> would be unguardable, 5 shooters with great athleticism. No defense like you said in the other post but we'll worry about that later LOL.

[RaisingArizona]

It would be nice but right now I am still in the frame of mind that I would trade the 4th and next years Miami pick to move up to get Jackson.

No way.

You understand that due to the heat clearing Bosh off their books they are going to have over 35 million to spend on bring in talent for next year and the pick is top 7 protected. So likely they are going to be pushing to get in the playoffs next year. 14th + picks are nice but when you can add a player like Jackson who fits so many things that the team needs over a dream of some player next year I would do it.

I hear you but knowing that the pick could be top 10 one would hurt to lose to only move up 1 spot. There's no guarantee the Heat will be any good next year. I don't see any major FAs wanting to go there. Do you?
McD better be sure his guy is going to flourish to trade a future pick to move up 1 spot.