Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 1

[MirORich]

Okay so with the deal done, would you guys have done something similar?
So here is what feels similar IMO.
Kyrie = Bledsoe
Crowder = Warren
Zizic = Reed
Nets pick = 2021 Heat pick

Just wondering? Or post something similar where we don't lose Jackson/Bender/Chriss, would you guys have been cool with it?

Feel like you're way off in all those valuations except maybe Reed and Zicic

-Kyrie is better and far more valued around the league than Bledsoe
-Crowder is the better player than Warren, in his prime, and locked for 7M per year for the next three seasons. Warren is about to hit FA in a post TV deal NBA and will get way more than Crowder
-Nets pick is unprotected. Nets are a horrible team. 2018 draft is considered very strong at top with Ayton, Bagley, Porter and Doncic. 2021 Heat and 2021 Draft are complete unknowns

[AtheJ415]

Read on twitter that we are signing Peter Jok to a partially guaranteed deal. I'm a fan of that. Can shoot. If we end up moving Bledsoe for picks or not keeping Len he may be able to make the team.

[DirtyDez]

I'm the furthest thing from a homer but I'll go on record stating the Suns will finish closer to the teens than bottom-3 in wins in next year barring significant injury. They won't be going into games next year short-handed with the mindset knowing that losing is acceptable by management. I don't expect anything from Jackson, Bender or Chriss but Booker/Warren should take another leap forward after finishing strong last year. I'm also not a believer in the Lakers, Mavs and Kings as much as everyone else plus the East will have several teams trying like hell to lose.

I don't see another 20-something win season.

[Walt_Uoob]

Okay so with the deal done, would you guys have done something similar?
So here is what feels similar IMO.
Kyrie = Bledsoe
Crowder = Warren
Zizic = Reed
Nets pick = 2021 Heat pick

Just wondering? Or post something similar where we don't lose Jackson/Bender/Chriss, would you guys have been cool with it?

Feel like you're way off in all those valuations except maybe Reed and Zicic

-Kyrie is better and far more valued around the league than Bledsoe
-Crowder is the better player than Warren, in his prime, and locked for 7M per year for the next three seasons. Warren is about to hit FA in a post TV deal NBA and will get way more than Crowder
-Nets pick is unprotected. Nets are a horrible team. 2018 draft is considered very strong at top with Ayton, Bagley, Porter and Doncic. 2021 Heat and 2021 Draft are complete unknowns

FWIW he must have meant IT = Bledsoe, not Kyrie = Bledsoe.

[kennydorglas]

Ainge got robbed. lol

[bwgood77]

Read on Twitter

Did anybody see we picked up Peter Jok today?

Dude averaged 20 PPG in college on elite shooting. Could be a sleeper here.

Looks good...4 year guy, but 6'6 SG who shot 38% from deep on really high volume last year, scoring 20 a game...year before he shot over 40% from deep on almost as high of volume. Over 90% from the line.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/peter-jok-1.html

[lilfishi22]

Ainge got robbed. lol

I wouldn't say I feel bad for Ainge but I do recognise the problem he has. He has too many assets which were attractive so every time he engages in trade talks, other GM's are asking for way more than they should get. They were going after PG and Butler and both Chicago and Indiana were asking for a crap ton of assets from them vs what they actually got in the end for those two stars. I feel like that's what happened with Kyrie this time around as well. They overpaid for him but they didn't really have any other choice. The good thing for them is, Kyrie seems open to resigning with the C's.

The flip side is, if they did nothing with all their assets they have, they would be criticised by their fans for doing nothing with all their assets.

[LukasBMW]

This paves the way for Bledsoe to Cleveland for that Brooklyn pick.

Kinda joking. Kinda serious.

If IT doesn't pan out, do they get desperate mid season and try to get Bledsoe?

[collidingNeurons]

This paves the way for Bledsoe to Cleveland for that Brooklyn pick.

Kinda joking. Kinda serious.

If IT doesn't pan out, do they get desperate mid season and try to get Bledsoe?

not for that price, and i cant even imagine Bledsoe and Thomas in the same back court together again or IT having much interest in coming back here again.

[In2ition]

This paves the way for Bledsoe to Cleveland for that Brooklyn pick.

Kinda joking. Kinda serious.

If IT doesn't pan out, do they get desperate mid season and try to get Bledsoe?

not for that price, and i cant even imagine Bledsoe and Thomas in the same back court together again

Yeah, I think it's time to move on from that fantasy. No way the Suns would be able to get that pick without trading Booker or Jackson.

[RaisingArizona]

Tankathon 2k continues on!

[MirORich]

From the 2010-2013 era Cavs rebuild, I empathize with your guys process.

At this point you really NEED Jackson and your 2018 pick to develop into the real deal, star type players. Bender, Chriss, and Warren all have some nice qualities but I just don't see any of them as maxing out as more than high level role players on a good team. Important pieces to have but useless without true stars to support and augment.

Booker seems to be on his way to potential true star level so at least that for sure one piece is in place.

And overall you guys have done a much better job than the Cavs as besides Kyrie and Wiggins(who was immediately dealt) we did poorly with a lot of our other picks(TT over Kawhi/Klay, Waiters over Barnes/Drummond, Bennett over Giannis*)

*everyone in 2013 is kicking themselves on that one. Imagine if you'd taken Giannis over Len

[collidingNeurons]

From the 2010-2013 era Cavs rebuild, I empathize with your guys process.

At this point you really NEED Jackson and your 2018 pick to develop into the real deal, star type players. Bender, Chriss, and Warren all have some nice qualities but I just don't see any of them as maxing out as more than high level role players on a good team. Important pieces to have but useless without true stars to support and augment.

Booker seems to be on his way to potential true star level so at least that for sure one piece is in place.

And overall you guys have done a much better job than the Cavs as besides Kyrie and Wiggins(who was immediately dealt) we did poorly with a lot of our other picks(TT over Kawhi/Klay, Waiters over Barnes/Drummond, Bennett over Giannis*)

*everyone in 2013 is kicking themselves on that one. Imagine if you'd taken Giannis over Len

not just the Len over Giannis one, but we passed on Kawhi too, and then we picked Kendall Marshal over next to any one else. So we have or skeletons in our closet too

[Qwigglez]

I wonder if the Celtics had taken Jackson at 3 if we would have made the deal on draft night or even at this point? I'd bet we would have made a deal.

[collidingNeurons]

I wonder if the Celtics had taken Jackson at 3 if we would have made the deal on draft night or even at this point? I'd bet we would have made a deal.

no way of ever knowing, especially since we don't know how the Suns viewed Tatum, Fox or Isaac. but I'm happy it ended up like it did, Time will tell which ends up the better player of those four, but I prefer having Jackson and the rest of our youth and picks over Kyrie by miles.

[Saberestar]

Read on Twitter

Did anybody see we picked up Peter Jok today?

Dude averaged 20 PPG in college on elite shooting. Could be a sleeper here.

Looks good...4 year guy, but 6'6 SG who shot 38% from deep on really high volume last year, scoring 20 a game...year before he shot over 40% from deep on almost as high of volume. Over 90% from the line.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/peter-jok-1.html

He is similar to Reed, but probably a little bit better creating offense.

I like him. Hopefully he stays because we need shooting and with Knight done for the season we need another perimeter player on the roster.

[AtheJ415]

From the 2010-2013 era Cavs rebuild, I empathize with your guys process.

At this point you really NEED Jackson and your 2018 pick to develop into the real deal, star type players. Bender, Chriss, and Warren all have some nice qualities but I just don't see any of them as maxing out as more than high level role players on a good team. Important pieces to have but useless without true stars to support and augment.

Booker seems to be on his way to potential true star level so at least that for sure one piece is in place.

And overall you guys have done a much better job than the Cavs as besides Kyrie and Wiggins(who was immediately dealt) we did poorly with a lot of our other picks(TT over Kawhi/Klay, Waiters over Barnes/Drummond, Bennett over Giannis*)

*everyone in 2013 is kicking themselves on that one. Imagine if you'd taken Giannis over Len

I actually don't agree with this despite being maybe the most tank-pro guy on the board. Chriss and Bender are 2 of the youngest players in the NBA even with the new group coming in. Chriss has played 6 years of organized basketball in his entire life. I think it's way too soon to judge either, but besides all of that...

We don't NEED Jackson and our next pick to be stars. We have a future star in Booker, and while it would certainly help a ton if Jackson and whoever we get next year become stars, it isn't a necessity to contend. Warren has a chance (he was our best player through most of last year), and we have the cap flexibility to max out 2 guys. What we really need is to time it correctly to bring in 2 sure fire FAs, and then safely bank on one of our other picks or current players between Warren, Bledsoe, Chriss, Jackson, Bender, and whoever we take next year to become stars. That would be 4 stars if just 1 of that last group becomes one, so long as we do FA well in the next 2 seasons.

[MirORich]

From the 2010-2013 era Cavs rebuild, I empathize with your guys process.

At this point you really NEED Jackson and your 2018 pick to develop into the real deal, star type players. Bender, Chriss, and Warren all have some nice qualities but I just don't see any of them as maxing out as more than high level role players on a good team. Important pieces to have but useless without true stars to support and augment.

Booker seems to be on his way to potential true star level so at least that for sure one piece is in place.

And overall you guys have done a much better job than the Cavs as besides Kyrie and Wiggins(who was immediately dealt) we did poorly with a lot of our other picks(TT over Kawhi/Klay, Waiters over Barnes/Drummond, Bennett over Giannis*)

*everyone in 2013 is kicking themselves on that one. Imagine if you'd taken Giannis over Len

I actually don't agree with this despite being maybe the most tank-pro guy on the board. Chriss and Bender are 2 of the youngest players in the NBA even with the new group coming in. Chriss has played 6 years of organized basketball in his entire life. I think it's way too soon to judge either, but besides all of that...

We don't NEED Jackson and our next pick to be stars. We have a future star in Booker, and while it would certainly help a ton if Jackson and whoever we get next year become stars, it isn't a necessity to contend. Warren has a chance (he was our best player through most of last year), and we have the cap flexibility to max out 2 guys. What we really need is to time it correctly to bring in 2 sure fire FAs, and then safely bank on one of our other picks or current players between Warren, Bledsoe, Chriss, Jackson, Bender, and whoever we take next year to become stars. That would be 4 stars if just 1 of that last group becomes one, so long as we do FA well in the next 2 seasons.

I didn't certainly wasn't trying to overlook Chriss or Bender as I think a high level role player(whether starter or 6th man) on a winning team is a valuable talented piece. And I get that both are so raw and young so maybe it too soon to limit their potential upside. I just look at their traits and skills and don't see top30 players at any point in their careers. And what GS/CLE have shown over the past three years is you need at least three present day top30 players to legit compete for the title.

I could see Booker being a top30 guy. Maybe higher if his defense progresses. So to me, while the other pieces you have are good and none of them are yet anywhere near bust or miss status, you still need two more guys that can reach top30 status i the next 3-6 years. I think Jackson could be one, as a Jimmy Butler type player if he maxes out on his potential. And the 2018 draft is loaded at the top so that could be the other. Personally I just don't see Bender, Chriss, Warren, or Len as ever being top30 players but again, that is not a knock, they can still be key contributors on an elite contender.

I just think for ultimate LEGIT title contention it's still about stars and short of mid2000s Pistons it's hard to find an example in the past twenty years that defies that.

[jredsaz]

From the 2010-2013 era Cavs rebuild, I empathize with your guys process.

At this point you really NEED Jackson and your 2018 pick to develop into the real deal, star type players. Bender, Chriss, and Warren all have some nice qualities but I just don't see any of them as maxing out as more than high level role players on a good team. Important pieces to have but useless without true stars to support and augment.

Booker seems to be on his way to potential true star level so at least that for sure one piece is in place.

And overall you guys have done a much better job than the Cavs as besides Kyrie and Wiggins(who was immediately dealt) we did poorly with a lot of our other picks(TT over Kawhi/Klay, Waiters over Barnes/Drummond, Bennett over Giannis*)

*everyone in 2013 is kicking themselves on that one. Imagine if you'd taken Giannis over Len

I actually don't agree with this despite being maybe the most tank-pro guy on the board. Chriss and Bender are 2 of the youngest players in the NBA even with the new group coming in. Chriss has played 6 years of organized basketball in his entire life. I think it's way too soon to judge either, but besides all of that...

We don't NEED Jackson and our next pick to be stars. We have a future star in Booker, and while it would certainly help a ton if Jackson and whoever we get next year become stars, it isn't a necessity to contend. Warren has a chance (he was our best player through most of last year), and we have the cap flexibility to max out 2 guys. What we really need is to time it correctly to bring in 2 sure fire FAs, and then safely bank on one of our other picks or current players between Warren, Bledsoe, Chriss, Jackson, Bender, and whoever we take next year to become stars. That would be 4 stars if just 1 of that last group becomes one, so long as we do FA well in the next 2 seasons.

Signing two sure fire FAs is easier said than done. Trading some of these assets for an all star should always be a consideration.

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[darealjuice]

Man I really don't like that trade for Boston. Ainge is a cold hearted dude to trade IT after he came out and played for them the day after his sister passed away. Dude definitely gave his heart to the Celtics and was a large part of what got them where they are now, but looks like Ainge didn't want to pull up the Brinks truck for him. I also doubt IT was too happy when he saw it took adding Zizic, Crowder, and a top 5 pick to swap him and Kyrie, but I'm sure he'll get over it playing with LeBron and Kevin Love. Can't help but wonder if the Cavs are going to try adding another player with that Brooklyn pick or if they'll keep it to prepare for LeBron's potential exit.