2019 free agency and trade ideas: part 2 Downloading

[Ghost of Kleine]

They are not trading Saric to move up 5 spots in the draft. They may try and trade Teague to do it, but we would likely decline that (I hope). They might do Tyus Jones, and in that case it could potentially be worth considering...because we get a PG with a few years experience and the best ast/to ratio in the NBA and could take Clarke or Washington at 11.

I thought about Tyus Jones first actually, But isn't he a free agent ( restricted or not?).

And can/ would they resign him, just to be able to trade him to us?

Oh, I knew he was a RFA and was thinking you could trade for them (even though I have said you can't when talking DLo) so yeah, that doesn't work.

It would likely be a future pick or possibly someone like Keita Bates-Diop if we thought he was worth taking a shot at PF or backup PF.

That's cool man, He held primary interest in the trade for me as well. I absolutely wouldn't be opposed to a future pick or Diop either, So long as we know that Clarke would be there.

Also I'm still thinking that we could possibly swing Jackson to Sacramento in exchange for Bjelica. ( Maybe flip that future pick to Sacramento to make the deal happen IF absolutely necessary).

I'd like to head into free agency with a cushion at the 4 spot of both Clarke and Bjelica. Then perhaps sign Vonleh to the minimum or mle, and use the rest on Beverly, etc???

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Just FYI dreamers, Tyjo is a vetran PG placeholder

[bwgood77]

I thought about Tyus Jones first actually, But isn't he a free agent ( restricted or not?).

And can/ would they resign him, just to be able to trade him to us?

Oh, I knew he was a RFA and was thinking you could trade for them (even though I have said you can't when talking DLo) so yeah, that doesn't work.

It would likely be a future pick or possibly someone like Keita Bates-Diop if we thought he was worth taking a shot at PF or backup PF.

That's cool man, He held primary interest in the trade for me as well. I absolutely wouldn't be opposed to a future pick or Diop either, So long as we know that Clarke would be there.

Also I'm still thinking that we could possibly swing Jackson to Sacramento in exchange for Bjelica. ( Maybe flip that future pick to Sacramento to make the deal happen IF absolutely necessary).

I'd like to head into free agency with a cushion at the 4 spot of both Clarke and Bjelica. Then perhaps sign Vonleh to the minimum or mle, and use the rest on Beverly, etc???

Not sure why Sac would trade Bjelica for someone like Jackson. Not sure why they'd trade him at all.

[kennydorglas]

I'm still amazed that LA will get AD for Lonzo, Ingram and Kuzma.
Dear LORD.

[bwgood77]

I'm still amazed that LA will get AD for Lonzo, Ingram and Kuzma.
Dear LORD.

Not even sure I'd want Kuzma, but he would make for good points off the bench I guess. But Lonzo with Jrue in the backcourt along with Zion would make for some serious defense.

I would take the 4th pick and take Garland if I were them who fits perfectly with Jrue or Lonzo in the backcourt. The could ask for Mo Wagner too.

Then they should sign someone like Brook Lopez to shoot 3s at C.

[kennydorglas]

I'm still amazed that LA will get AD for Lonzo, Ingram and Kuzma.
Dear LORD.

Not even sure I'd want Kuzma, but he would make for good points off the bench I guess. But Lonzo with Jrue in the backcourt along with Zion would make for some serious defense.

I would take the 4th pick and take Garland if I were them who fits perfectly with Jrue or Lonzo in the backcourt. The could ask for Mo Wagner too.

Then they should sign someone like Brook Lopez to shoot 3s at C.

I'm very skeptical about Zion. No way in hell his knees will hold up in the NBA.
Getting Lonzo is ok, he'll be much better FAR AWAY from LA.
Ingram and Kuzma - MEHHHH

They''ll probably ask for the #4, but LA wants Garland. So Rich Paul will talk them into accept Kuzma (which he already did)

[Slim Charless]

I'm still amazed that LA will get AD for Lonzo, Ingram and Kuzma.
Dear LORD.

Not even sure I'd want Kuzma, but he would make for good points off the bench I guess. But Lonzo with Jrue in the backcourt along with Zion would make for some serious defense.

I would take the 4th pick and take Garland if I were them who fits perfectly with Jrue or Lonzo in the backcourt. The could ask for Mo Wagner too.

Then they should sign someone like Brook Lopez to shoot 3s at C.

Ya I'd take the pick over kuzma- him and Zion overlap

[Ghost of Kleine]

Absolutely. I'd use the Jones and LeBron friendship to try and join the dark side and become a klutch destination. Better than being an enemy.

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Except that under the reality of still being a smaller market, Paul would still direct the prime pieces to the bigger markets, as it'd mean much a much bigger cut going back to him from endorsement deals, sponsors, etc. And we'd get the leftovers and 2nd hand talent in the end.

Rich Paul and Klutch is cancerous. Best to try and operate outside of their scope. Because even if you're doing it to ingratiate yourself with him in the hopes of keeping Booker, should he sign with him. Paul would steer him to a bigger market regardless.

That's great right now because we have a choice. What if we don't have that choice? What if a Booker, Ayton or whoever we draft that turns into a semi-star sign with Klutch? Should Booker or Ayton or some other player on our roster sign with Klutch, I'd much rather negotiate from a favorable position of understanding than one in which RP knows we've spurned them at every turn.

I see nothing wrong with having a working relationship with them. I'd rather be friendly with them and have some sway than not at all and seeing each other as enemies. Hate it or not, the reality is that the Klutch client list is getting bigger and they don't have just top talent, they have mid-level guys and lower level guys too now. As I said, it would be unprofessional and potentially hurt what bargaining power we might have if we don't even have a working relationship at all. The NBA is all about relationships

I'm sure there are people you work with in your professional life that you don't particularly like (personally or professionally) but you keep it professional because there may be a time when you need to collaborate or you need to call in a favor.

I get what you're saying man, and to an extent I absolutely agree with you. All I'm saying is not to hold your breath that Paul would do us any favors, even if we catered to his interests.

Paul will never put anything before his ego or personal gain. If Booker or Ayton chooses to sign with Klutch for example, Then the best outcome that we can hope for is to at that point get the very best deal that we can from the inevitable trade.

But until that time comes, our best defense will be in nurturing a very positive relationship with our star players and making their interests a focal point in the majority of our team decisions.

Now again, I'm not saying we should be overtly adversarial. Merely that in any dealings with him IF necessary, We would be best served to exercise caution. and be wary of intentionally pursuing deals with him.

And hopefully also have a backup plan to maintain some degree of leverage.

Finally, I think that in order to reduce the increasing tampering issues, Any verifiable level of evidence of tampering or recruitment by an agency outside of the scheduled dates for free agency,

Should result in that particular agency forfeiting their right to sign that particular player for a period of one year.

And potentially being placed on a probationary term of contractual exclusion, depending on the severity of the occurrence as well as the number of verified violations.

These can be the result of a point system per severity of violation, as well as frequency of occurrence.

The league office will appoint a committee comprised of independent moderators to determine the level of the violation within the confines of the rules.

All findings will be recorded, and made transparent to all teams front offices, owners, etc.

Now obviously this is just an overstated suggestion. As I'm sure that it would never happen. But it would be a nice way to ensure more integrity and parity within the league.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Oh, I knew he was a RFA and was thinking you could trade for them (even though I have said you can't when talking DLo) so yeah, that doesn't work.

It would likely be a future pick or possibly someone like Keita Bates-Diop if we thought he was worth taking a shot at PF or backup PF.

That's cool man, He held primary interest in the trade for me as well. I absolutely wouldn't be opposed to a future pick or Diop either, So long as we know that Clarke would be there.

Also I'm still thinking that we could possibly swing Jackson to Sacramento in exchange for Bjelica. ( Maybe flip that future pick to Sacramento to make the deal happen IF absolutely necessary).

I'd like to head into free agency with a cushion at the 4 spot of both Clarke and Bjelica. Then perhaps sign Vonleh to the minimum or mle, and use the rest on Beverly, etc???

Not sure why Sac would trade Bjelica for someone like Jackson. Not sure why they'd trade him at all.

Probably won't, unless we flip a future pick to them? I'd prefer to not include the Milwaukee pick as in 2020, It could feasibly put us in range for Ayo Dosunmu( Jrue prospect) or Amar Sylla ( Siakim like prospect).

But I'd try and see if we could maybe pry him away within reason. I just see him as a bargain option to Mirotic. And I've been high on him as a floor spacing 4, ever since we got Ariza and Anderson

[Kerrsed]

I dont get the Kuzma stuff.

Honestly he is a worse shooting younger version of Warren.

[lilfishi22]

Except that under the reality of still being a smaller market, Paul would still direct the prime pieces to the bigger markets, as it'd mean much a much bigger cut going back to him from endorsement deals, sponsors, etc. And we'd get the leftovers and 2nd hand talent in the end.

Rich Paul and Klutch is cancerous. Best to try and operate outside of their scope. Because even if you're doing it to ingratiate yourself with him in the hopes of keeping Booker, should he sign with him. Paul would steer him to a bigger market regardless.

That's great right now because we have a choice. What if we don't have that choice? What if a Booker, Ayton or whoever we draft that turns into a semi-star sign with Klutch? Should Booker or Ayton or some other player on our roster sign with Klutch, I'd much rather negotiate from a favorable position of understanding than one in which RP knows we've spurned them at every turn.

I see nothing wrong with having a working relationship with them. I'd rather be friendly with them and have some sway than not at all and seeing each other as enemies. Hate it or not, the reality is that the Klutch client list is getting bigger and they don't have just top talent, they have mid-level guys and lower level guys too now. As I said, it would be unprofessional and potentially hurt what bargaining power we might have if we don't even have a working relationship at all. The NBA is all about relationships

I'm sure there are people you work with in your professional life that you don't particularly like (personally or professionally) but you keep it professional because there may be a time when you need to collaborate or you need to call in a favor.

I get what you're saying man, and to an extent I absolutely agree with you. All I'm saying is not to hold your breath that Paul would do us any favors, even if we catered to his interests.

Paul will never put anything before his ego or personal gain. If Booker or Ayton chooses to sign with Klutch for example, Then the best outcome that we can hope for is to at that point get the very best deal that we can from the inevitable trade.

But until that time comes, our best defense will be in nurturing a very positive relationship with our star players and making their interests a focal point in the majority of our team decisions.

Now again, I'm not saying we should be overtly adversarial. Merely that in any dealings with him IF necessary, We would be best served to exercise caution. and be wary of intentionally pursuing deals with him.

And hopefully also have a backup plan to maintain some degree of leverage.

Who knows if they would or not. We've had agents and players do favors for their team (ie S&T) even though there's no obligation to do so. We should be nurturing our relationship with our stars regardless of who we deal with from an agent front anyway.

Finally, I think that in order to reduce the increasing tampering issues, Any verifiable level of evidence of tampering or recruitment by an agency outside of the scheduled dates for free agency,

Should result in that particular agency forfeiting their right to sign that particular player for a period of one year.

And potentially being placed on a probationary term of contractual exclusion, depending on the severity of the occurrence as well as the number of verified violations.

These can be the result of a point system per severity of violation, as well as frequency of occurrence.

The league office will appoint a committee comprised of independent moderators to determine the level of the violation within the confines of the rules.

All findings will be recorded, and made transparent to all teams front offices, owners, etc.

Now obviously this is just an overstated suggestion. As I'm sure that it would never happen. But it would be a nice way to ensure more integrity and parity within the league.

Two things real quick

1. Why do you write like this? Why do you turn a simple 2 paragraph piece of writing into a 7 sentences separated by a one line spacing? Virtually all of your posts are like this. No offense but I think you need to really look into the style of your posts because it's quite hard to read. You have connected sentences discussing a similar topic but it's separated by a line which usually indicates a different topics

2. Snitching is a GREAT way to get in with other agents. I guarantee most agents are involved in some level of tampering, it's not just RP. He's just the most disruptive and lowkey of them.

[Ghost of Kleine]

That's great right now because we have a choice. What if we don't have that choice? What if a Booker, Ayton or whoever we draft that turns into a semi-star sign with Klutch? Should Booker or Ayton or some other player on our roster sign with Klutch, I'd much rather negotiate from a favorable position of understanding than one in which RP knows we've spurned them at every turn.

I see nothing wrong with having a working relationship with them. I'd rather be friendly with them and have some sway than not at all and seeing each other as enemies. Hate it or not, the reality is that the Klutch client list is getting bigger and they don't have just top talent, they have mid-level guys and lower level guys too now. As I said, it would be unprofessional and potentially hurt what bargaining power we might have if we don't even have a working relationship at all. The NBA is all about relationships

I'm sure there are people you work with in your professional life that you don't particularly like (personally or professionally) but you keep it professional because there may be a time when you need to collaborate or you need to call in a favor.

I get what you're saying man, and to an extent I absolutely agree with you. All I'm saying is not to hold your breath that Paul would do us any favors, even if we catered to his interests.

Paul will never put anything before his ego or personal gain. If Booker or Ayton chooses to sign with Klutch for example, Then the best outcome that we can hope for is to at that point get the very best deal that we can from the inevitable trade.

But until that time comes, our best defense will be in nurturing a very positive relationship with our star players and making their interests a focal point in the majority of our team decisions.

Now again, I'm not saying we should be overtly adversarial. Merely that in any dealings with him IF necessary, We would be best served to exercise caution. and be wary of intentionally pursuing deals with him.

And hopefully also have a backup plan to maintain some degree of leverage.

Who knows if they would or not. We've had agents and players do favors for their team (ie S&T) even though there's no obligation to do so. We should be nurturing our relationship with our stars regardless of who we deal with from an agent front anyway.

Finally, I think that in order to reduce the increasing tampering issues, Any verifiable level of evidence of tampering or recruitment by an agency outside of the scheduled dates for free agency,

Should result in that particular agency forfeiting their right to sign that particular player for a period of one year.

And potentially being placed on a probationary term of contractual exclusion, depending on the severity of the occurrence as well as the number of verified violations.

These can be the result of a point system per severity of violation, as well as frequency of occurrence.

The league office will appoint a committee comprised of independent moderators to determine the level of the violation within the confines of the rules.

All findings will be recorded, and made transparent to all teams front offices, owners, etc.

Now obviously this is just an overstated suggestion. As I'm sure that it would never happen. But it would be a nice way to ensure more integrity and parity within the league.

Two things real quick

1. Why do you write like this? Why do you turn a simple 2 paragraph piece of writing into a 7 sentences separated by a one line spacing? Virtually all of your posts are like this. No offense but I think you need to really look into the style of your posts because it's quite hard to read. You have connected sentences discussing a similar topic but it's separated by a line which usually indicates a different topics

2. Snitching is a GREAT way to get in with other agents. I guarantee most agents are involved in some level of tampering, it's not just RP. He's just the most disruptive and lowkey of them.

To the first thing. Sorry man, I used to not do that as much, but I had some complaints a while back that it was hard to read my posts without spacing, so habitually I added more spacing to not have the wall of text comments. Although I am more aware of my rambling topics. And am working to adjust things and be more concise.

Work in progress though.....

To the 2nd thing, I know, and agree about the tampering, Maybe he being so blatant about it just rubs me the wrong way. And I'll have to learn to just accept it as par for the course.

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[nevetsov]

Can we just flick one of either Warren or Jackson to CLE for Nance Jr ($12m)?

They have Love/ Thompson/ Zizic up front and only have one SF on their roster (Osman). Seems like a logical trade to balance out both rosters.

[MathiasPW]

I'm in the boat that we should hold off on a trade until free agency opens unless it's something obvious like Jrue. I want to wait and see how the D'angelo Russell situation plays out with Kryie all but confirmed going to Brooklyn. They can likely get one of Durant, Tobias Harris, or Jimmy Butler in addition to Kyrie, but would need to release D'Lo. Personally, if I'm the Nets I'd let D'Lo walk for KD or Butler in a heartbeat, but probably not for Harris.

If D'Lo gets released, we will have maintained flexibility to open up space and sign him outright. If the Nets keep him, oh well, you didn't really lose anything by waiting.

I mentioned this before, but I think we are more likely to land D'Lo if we become the aggressors and make him an offer sheet on minute 1 of FA, forcing the Nets to make a decision before they have secured (or not) their targeted players. Because they kinda have Kyrie secured and must be feeling optimistic about their odds, they're more likely not to match.

If we wait for the whole scenario to play out, we'll be competing with a lot of teams with more cap space than us.

[Wilber85]

Can we just flick one of either Warren or Jackson to CLE for Nance Jr ($12m)?

They have Love/ Thompson/ Zizic up front and only have one SF on their roster (Osman). Seems like a logical trade to balance out both rosters.

Nance is trash .

[Blonde]

I'm in the boat that we should hold off on a trade until free agency opens unless it's something obvious like Jrue. I want to wait and see how the D'angelo Russell situation plays out with Kryie all but confirmed going to Brooklyn. They can likely get one of Durant, Tobias Harris, or Jimmy Butler in addition to Kyrie, but would need to release D'Lo. Personally, if I'm the Nets I'd let D'Lo walk for KD or Butler in a heartbeat, but probably not for Harris.

If D'Lo gets released, we will have maintained flexibility to open up space and sign him outright. If the Nets keep him, oh well, you didn't really lose anything by waiting.

I mentioned this before, but I think we are more likely to land D'Lo if we become the aggressors and make him an offer sheet on minute 1 of FA, forcing the Nets to make a decision before they have secured (or not) their targeted players. Because they kinda have Kyrie secured and must be feeling optimistic about their odds, they're more likely not to match.

If we wait for the whole scenario to play out, we'll be competing with a lot of teams with more cap space than us.

The issue with this approach is that we need to make roster moves to open up space before he could sign our offer sheet. So a stretch of Johnson + trading Josh for nothing or some other way to get around 25m. I’m not willing to make those moves unless there’s a deal agreed to in principle that cannot be matched. We’d look pretty stupid dumping contracts and walking away with nothing, though I guess we could make desperation offers to Brogdon or Tobias Harris.

If D’Lo did become unrestricted and we opened up max space, I’d be surprised if we weren’t his top option. It could happen, sure, but I feel confident Booker would get his boy to sign.

[bwgood77]

Can we just flick one of either Warren or Jackson to CLE for Nance Jr ($12m)?

They have Love/ Thompson/ Zizic up front and only have one SF on their roster (Osman). Seems like a logical trade to balance out both rosters.

I really like Nance, but I've read from Cavs fans that he is probably the player least likely to be traded out of their front court. They love him. Not necessarily the best fit next to Ayton anyway (no rim protection or shooting).

[MathiasPW]

I'm in the boat that we should hold off on a trade until free agency opens unless it's something obvious like Jrue. I want to wait and see how the D'angelo Russell situation plays out with Kryie all but confirmed going to Brooklyn. They can likely get one of Durant, Tobias Harris, or Jimmy Butler in addition to Kyrie, but would need to release D'Lo. Personally, if I'm the Nets I'd let D'Lo walk for KD or Butler in a heartbeat, but probably not for Harris.

If D'Lo gets released, we will have maintained flexibility to open up space and sign him outright. If the Nets keep him, oh well, you didn't really lose anything by waiting.

I mentioned this before, but I think we are more likely to land D'Lo if we become the aggressors and make him an offer sheet on minute 1 of FA, forcing the Nets to make a decision before they have secured (or not) their targeted players. Because they kinda have Kyrie secured and must be feeling optimistic about their odds, they're more likely not to match.

If we wait for the whole scenario to play out, we'll be competing with a lot of teams with more cap space than us.

The issue with this approach is that we need to make roster moves to open up space before he could sign our offer sheet. So a stretch of Johnson + trading Josh for nothing or some other way to get around 25m. I’m not willing to make those moves unless there’s a deal agreed to in principle that cannot be matched. We’d look pretty stupid dumping contracts and walking away with nothing, though I guess we could make desperation offers to Brogdon or Tobias Harris.

If D’Lo did become unrestricted and we opened up max space, I’d be surprised if we weren’t his top option. It could happen, sure, but I feel confident Booker would get his boy to sign.

Only difference between our ideas is when we have to make the roster moves to clear cap. Both have the same risk: that D'Lo goes somewhere else (in my idea Nets match, in yours we fight 20 other teams)

[Frank Lee]

I’m going to bank on Ayton improving enough to where he won’t need compensatory rim protection /rebounding help. The dude has the tools, the desire, and quicklearnability. Why restrict our talent search with this need for D. I’d rather get a solid floor spacing rebounding high IQ passing big. Rim protection is the lowest ranking quality on my PF report card.