Sarver ESPN story

[sunsbum]

No one is responsible for dragging his name through the mud except for Sarver himself. He made a decision as to how he wanted to conduct himself in a professional environment and a comprehensive investigation has proven that conduct to be reprehensible. To say or claim otherwise is to say that a lengthy and independent investigation by one of the absolute top law firms in the country is faulty and/or flawed and I would find it hard to believe that you have facts to support such a claim. Props to the people that came forward and I hope they can find some solace with the result. That $10M will hit him in ways it wouldn't usually in the case of many other Governors.

cool post, obviously this was in reference before any news broke about a suspension or a fine. Y’all have been slandering his name for the last year with no proof of anything but hearsay from ex/disgruntled employees. I’m sure there are just as many people willing to go on record saying he’s a peach. If they found things that he said were unacceptable at the work place then im glad he’s getting reprimanded and held accountable for it. Personally it looks to me like they didn’t find much and this is just a “see we did something” moment for the NBA.

Fundamentally flawed argument and reasoning but again…I expect nothing less, or I guess more (?) from you.

Just because you allege that some people would go on record saying he is, as you say, “a peach,” does not discount the horrendous things he said and did to others.

Slandering his name? I don’t recall making any type of false statement in regards to Sarver.

Didn’t find much? See the previous post or…read the statement. They found plenty and that is why they issued the stiffest financial penalty possible. The only thing the league could have done that would have resulted in a harsher penalty is a forced sale and that is not on the table.

Why would you expect anything from me, I bring my own opinion and I don’t owe you or anyone an apology for it. You can attack me all you want, I’m comfortable not acting like I walk this world free of sin unlike a lot of people on this subject. Again, the scale seems a bit off for what sarver did and what his disciplinary action was as opposed to sterling. Why would a forced sale be off the table?

You can play the I told you so card now after the league has handed down their fine, but you (and when I say you I mean people on this board) really had no idea what was going on outside of hearsay and stuff being filtered through the media.

[Slim Charless]

Talk to me about an investigation when you’ve already drug his name through the mud. Innocent until you’ve decided he’s guilty?

No one is responsible for dragging his name through the mud except for Sarver himself. He made a decision as to how he wanted to conduct himself in a professional environment and a comprehensive investigation has proven that conduct to be reprehensible. To say or claim otherwise is to say that a lengthy and independent investigation by one of the absolute top law firms in the country is faulty and/or flawed and I would find it hard to believe that you have facts to support such a claim. Props to the people that came forward and I hope they can find some solace with the result. That $10M will hit him in ways it wouldn't usually in the case of many other Governors.

cool post, obviously this was in reference before any news broke about a suspension or a fine. Y’all have been slandering his name for the last year with no proof of anything but hearsay from ex/disgruntled employees. I’m sure there are just as many people willing to go on record saying he’s a peach. If they found things that he said were unacceptable at the work place then im glad he’s getting reprimanded and held accountable for it. Personally it looks to me like they didn’t find much and this is just a “see we did something” moment for the NBA.

There hasn't been any owner suspended in God knows when, but yeah I'm sure this is all fake news. This is hilarious that you're still butt hurt about him being punished. It's obvious he's a POS-a racist one at that and here you defending him.

I'm sure you're still crying over Trump losing too lol.

[MathiasPW]

Here is the full investigation

https://www.wlrk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Phoenix-Suns-Report.pdf

Social media is picking all the bad parts, but obviously no one posts this part:

"In light of these accounts and the totality of the evidence reviewed by investigators, the investigation makes no finding that Sarver’s conduct was motivated by racial or gender-based animus."

When the report provides all the examples of the stupid stuff he said/did, they constantly complement it with sentences like:

"Nevertheless, the investigation does not find that Sarver opposed the coach’s continued representation by the agency because its
founder is Black or fired the coach for that reason".

or

"The investigation finds that these incidents occurred and that the Black coaches involved believed in each instance that the confrontation had a racial dimension. However, the investigation does not find that Sarver’s conduct in any of these instances was motivated by racial animus."

or

"The investigation makes no finding that Sarver used this racially insensitive language with the intent to demean or
denigrate."

So my guess is he's an absolute ahole towards people, but didn't do enough to break the law and theefore get kicked out.

[sunsbum]

No one is responsible for dragging his name through the mud except for Sarver himself. He made a decision as to how he wanted to conduct himself in a professional environment and a comprehensive investigation has proven that conduct to be reprehensible. To say or claim otherwise is to say that a lengthy and independent investigation by one of the absolute top law firms in the country is faulty and/or flawed and I would find it hard to believe that you have facts to support such a claim. Props to the people that came forward and I hope they can find some solace with the result. That $10M will hit him in ways it wouldn't usually in the case of many other Governors.

cool post, obviously this was in reference before any news broke about a suspension or a fine. Y’all have been slandering his name for the last year with no proof of anything but hearsay from ex/disgruntled employees. I’m sure there are just as many people willing to go on record saying he’s a peach. If they found things that he said were unacceptable at the work place then im glad he’s getting reprimanded and held accountable for it. Personally it looks to me like they didn’t find much and this is just a “see we did something” moment for the NBA.

There hasn't been any owner suspended in God knows when, but yeah I'm sure this is all fake news. This is hilarious that you're still butt hurt about him being punished. It's obvious he's a POS-a racist one at that and here you defending him.

I'm sure you're still crying over Trump losing too lol.

I don’t know if you remember properly but sarver had said he never said the “N” at someone, he was questioning why draymond green was able to say it while playing “You know, why does Draymond Green get to run up the court and say [N-word],"
This is just one of the things media and posters here have taken out of context. Now he is labeled a racist for asking why racist language is allowed to be used on court. I find that interesting. Im not saying it’s fake news, I’m saying no one knows the details outside of a very vague investigation by the NBA.

As for Trump I’m not interested in a two party system that big government has control over. He also pushed the Vaccines and flew on the Lolita Express, so there is very little crying on my end, although it’s interesting he’s still living rent free in your head being that you brought him up in a totally unrelated topic.

[Slim Charless]

cool post, obviously this was in reference before any news broke about a suspension or a fine. Y’all have been slandering his name for the last year with no proof of anything but hearsay from ex/disgruntled employees. I’m sure there are just as many people willing to go on record saying he’s a peach. If they found things that he said were unacceptable at the work place then im glad he’s getting reprimanded and held accountable for it. Personally it looks to me like they didn’t find much and this is just a “see we did something” moment for the NBA.

There hasn't been any owner suspended in God knows when, but yeah I'm sure this is all fake news. This is hilarious that you're still butt hurt about him being punished. It's obvious he's a POS-a racist one at that and here you defending him.

I'm sure you're still crying over Trump losing too lol.

I don’t know if you remember properly but sarver had said he never said the “N” at someone, he was questioning why draymond green was able to say it while playing “You know, why does Draymond Green get to run up the court and say [N-word],"
This is just one of the things media and posters here have taken out of context. Now he is labeled a racist for asking why racist language is allowed to be used on court. I find that interesting. Im not saying it’s fake news, I’m saying no one knows the details outside of a very vague investigation by the NBA.

As for Trump I’m not interested in a two party system that big government has control over. He also pushed the Vaccines and flew on the Lolita Express, so there is very little crying on my end, although it’s interesting he’s still living rent free in your head being that you brought him up in a totally unrelated topic.

I brought it up as Sarver supporters=Trump supporters. Case in point: you

Now, back to Booby $arver. Of course he's gonna say he didn't mean anything by it. The investigation wasn't very vague, it involved literally 1000's of pages of evidence and 100's of interviews. But as usual with RWers, you seem to ignore what you don't wanna see.

The overwhelming opinion is that Booby was guilty, yet here we are with you in here spreading gibberish.

Fact: He said the N-word 5 separate times.
Fact: He was told previously that he can't even repeat that word.
Fact: You're in here defending him.

[sunsbum]

There hasn't been any owner suspended in God knows when, but yeah I'm sure this is all fake news. This is hilarious that you're still butt hurt about him being punished. It's obvious he's a POS-a racist one at that and here you defending him.

I'm sure you're still crying over Trump losing too lol.

I don’t know if you remember properly but sarver had said he never said the “N” at someone, he was questioning why draymond green was able to say it while playing “You know, why does Draymond Green get to run up the court and say [N-word],"
This is just one of the things media and posters here have taken out of context. Now he is labeled a racist for asking why racist language is allowed to be used on court. I find that interesting. Im not saying it’s fake news, I’m saying no one knows the details outside of a very vague investigation by the NBA.

As for Trump I’m not interested in a two party system that big government has control over. He also pushed the Vaccines and flew on the Lolita Express, so there is very little crying on my end, although it’s interesting he’s still living rent free in your head being that you brought him up in a totally unrelated topic.

I brought it up as Sarver supporters=Trump supporters. Case in point: you

Now, back to Booby $arver. Of course he's gonna say he didn't mean anything by it. The investigation wasn't very vague, it involved literally 1000's of pages of evidence and 100's of interviews. But as usual with RWers, you seem to ignore what you don't wanna see.

The overwhelming opinion is that Booby was guilty, yet here we are with you in here spreading gibberish.

Fact: He said the N-word 5 separate times.
Fact: He was told previously that he can't even repeat that word.
Fact: You're in here defending him.

Ah so now I’m the racist Trump supporter. Interesting spin tactic.

Anyways, I could care less about Sarver on an individual level, I’ve made it clear that there’s 2 sides to this story and no one is willing to listen to the other side. So when you carry the banner of equality, yet don’t follow your own ethical codes, it just makes me wonder how authentic some of you are. Always ready to cast the first stone.

[Major KJ]

I don’t know if you remember properly but sarver had said he never said the “N” at someone, he was questioning why draymond green was able to say it while playing “You know, why does Draymond Green get to run up the court and say [N-word],"
This is just one of the things media and posters here have taken out of context. Now he is labeled a racist for asking why racist language is allowed to be used on court. I find that interesting. Im not saying it’s fake news, I’m saying no one knows the details outside of a very vague investigation by the NBA.

As for Trump I’m not interested in a two party system that big government has control over. He also pushed the Vaccines and flew on the Lolita Express, so there is very little crying on my end, although it’s interesting he’s still living rent free in your head being that you brought him up in a totally unrelated topic.

I brought it up as Sarver supporters=Trump supporters. Case in point: you

Now, back to Booby $arver. Of course he's gonna say he didn't mean anything by it. The investigation wasn't very vague, it involved literally 1000's of pages of evidence and 100's of interviews. But as usual with RWers, you seem to ignore what you don't wanna see.

The overwhelming opinion is that Booby was guilty, yet here we are with you in here spreading gibberish.

Fact: He said the N-word 5 separate times.
Fact: He was told previously that he can't even repeat that word.
Fact: You're in here defending him.

Ah so now I’m the racist Trump supporter. Interesting spin tactic.

Anyways, I could care less about Sarver on an individual level, I’ve made it clear that there’s 2 sides to this story and no one is willing to listen to the other side. So when you carry the banner of equality, yet don’t follow your own ethical codes, it just makes me wonder how authentic some of you are. Always ready to cast the first stone.

I noticed you didn't address any of those facts. He didn't call you racist. You said that. He simply pointed out you're defending Robert **** Sarver of all people.

I can somewhat understand the various bigots on the GB defending him but....a Suns fan defending this guy? Come on.

If there's anything that should unite Suns fans, it's Booby $arver being forced the **** out off this team's ownership and away from the organization...from now until the end of time.

He was a POS before we knew about all of this.

[Major KJ]

FTR I would support Sarver being forced out if he so much as jaywalked or ran over a squirrel in his car. Now.....after race stuff?

He shouldn't be allowed to even watch the Suns on TV. Much less own them.

[sunsbum]

I brought it up as Sarver supporters=Trump supporters. Case in point: you

Now, back to Booby $arver. Of course he's gonna say he didn't mean anything by it. The investigation wasn't very vague, it involved literally 1000's of pages of evidence and 100's of interviews. But as usual with RWers, you seem to ignore what you don't wanna see.

The overwhelming opinion is that Booby was guilty, yet here we are with you in here spreading gibberish.

Fact: He said the N-word 5 separate times.
Fact: He was told previously that he can't even repeat that word.
Fact: You're in here defending him.

Ah so now I’m the racist Trump supporter. Interesting spin tactic.

Anyways, I could care less about Sarver on an individual level, I’ve made it clear that there’s 2 sides to this story and no one is willing to listen to the other side. So when you carry the banner of equality, yet don’t follow your own ethical codes, it just makes me wonder how authentic some of you are. Always ready to cast the first stone.

I noticed you didn't address any of those facts. I didn't call you racist. You said that. I simply pointed out you're defending Robert **** Sarver of all people.

I can somewhat understand the various bigots on the GB defending him but....a Suns fan defending this guy? Come on.

If there's anything that should unite Suns fans, it's Booby $arver being forced the **** out off this team's ownership and away from the organization...from now until the end of time.

He was a POS before we knew about all of this.

Awkward. How many user names do you have on this forum just out of pure unrelated curiosity? Sarver is a really bad owner that’s made so pretty poor decisions when it comes to the Suns over the years, I understand that. He deserves the criticism on that end. BUT I do not think Sarver hates black people or puts his race over others in a superior manner or dislikes women. I also don’t think Larry Fitzgerald, Monty or James Jones would stand working for an owner with that kind of behavior. It would be wrong for me to dismiss the accusations people have brought to light *although* we should be wary of individuals with axes to grind. What do they have to lose at this point?

The NBA has spent an entire year and honestly probably millions of dollars in resources getting the facts. It seems as though while Sarver is guilty of some of these accusations on a certain level the NBA admittedly also found nothing serious enough to dismiss him as an owner and that says a lot to me. IMO the NBA would 100% jump at the chance to get rid of Sarver. If people want to label me as a sarver apologist or racist, that’s fine. Personally I’d just like to hear all sides of the story and I don’t think he was given a fair chance to tell his (at least not in the media). People just took the ESPN story and immediately hung him out to dry because of his past poor financial decisions with the Suns. That to me is not fair.

[sunskerr]

Oh boo hoo its not fair hes labeled sexist and racist for using the N word 5 times and made inappropriate comments towards what his female employees were wearing. Boo hoo waaa.

Im sorry sunsbum, but you don't even know what racism and sexism are. I'll provide proof

BUT I do not think Sarver hates black people or puts his race over others in a superior manner or dislikes women

There is the proof. Read some books.

Have a nice day.

[Bogyo]

So who gets to make what decisions until he is out? Trades, contracts, etc?

[Azsports77]

Sarver needs to sell this team immediately

[SlovenianDragon]

I think Sarver is just a big dumb frat boy Michael scott with alot of money that says alot of dumb things he shouldn't and while he doesn't mean to be offensive he doesn't realize it does offend people...

The nba decided being stupid wasn't punishment for a force sell of the team...I kinda agree even tho we all want him gone.

After his year away from the team and the training he receives I doubt he acts like that at the office anymore...but he himself won't change he will always be a douchebag.

Seems like Sarver is here to stay unless something changes or he gets caught doing something else.

[Elden Ball]

that **** sarver is a real homie.

[bwgood77]

I like the resolution here. $10 million isn't chump change. A year away from the team is a pretty big deal, too. This isn't the Donald Sterling case.

Thing is, other owners I'm sure have skeletons in their closet, and they don't want to be tossing forced sales around at each other. Gets dangerous. This sends the signal to owners that this conduct will be punished.

How this goes from here really depends on how Sarver reacts. I don't trust him and would like him to step away for good, but I doubt he wants to go out of the limelight in disgrace. But if he keeps the team, this sanction will always be brought up when he's discussed. So we'll see.

I don't know what the best resolution would be though of course I would rather him have to sell the team to someone with deeper pockets and of course more respectable.

The thing I hate about this punishment is that $10 million to an owner who has often been unwilling to spend money (though I know he has at times) and trades players by giving away picks (Kurt Thomas and 2 picks for example) to save money, and is probably hesitant to go too far into the tax, this probably only adds to the fact that he won't want to go far into the tax.

Also the suspension of an owner doesn't seem like a huge deal or would impact things much, though of course it would make the office place probably more pleasant and you know he loves to attend games which he won't be able to do.

[starbosa10]

I like the resolution here. $10 million isn't chump change. A year away from the team is a pretty big deal, too. This isn't the Donald Sterling case.

Thing is, other owners I'm sure have skeletons in their closet, and they don't want to be tossing forced sales around at each other. Gets dangerous. This sends the signal to owners that this conduct will be punished.

How this goes from here really depends on how Sarver reacts. I don't trust him and would like him to step away for good, but I doubt he wants to go out of the limelight in disgrace. But if he keeps the team, this sanction will always be brought up when he's discussed. So we'll see.

I don't know what the best resolution would be though of course I would rather him have to sell the team to someone with deeper pockets and of course more respectable.

The thing I hate about this punishment is that $10 million to an owner who has often been unwilling to spend money (though I know he has at times) and trades players by giving away picks (Kurt Thomas and 2 picks for example) to save money, and is probably hesitant to go too far into the tax, this probably only adds to the fact that he won't want to go far into the tax.

Also the suspension of an owner doesn't seem like a huge deal or would impact things much, though of course it would make the office place probably more pleasant and you know he loves to attend games which he won't be able to do.

I really couldn't care less about the effect on the teams luxury tax spending. Sarver and his gross behavior has and will continue to drag this franchise's reputation into the ground

[bwgood77]

So who gets to make what decisions until he is out? Trades, contracts, etc?

Good question and it will go through the first 2+ months of free agency next year. I assume the rest of the ownership will have ultimate say (or I'm sure they could call Sarver for approval)....but I think Jones can largely operate with autonomy.

[SSOL]

cool post, obviously this was in reference before any news broke about a suspension or a fine. Y’all have been slandering his name for the last year with no proof of anything but hearsay from ex/disgruntled employees. I’m sure there are just as many people willing to go on record saying he’s a peach. If they found things that he said were unacceptable at the work place then im glad he’s getting reprimanded and held accountable for it. Personally it looks to me like they didn’t find much and this is just a “see we did something” moment for the NBA.

There hasn't been any owner suspended in God knows when, but yeah I'm sure this is all fake news. This is hilarious that you're still butt hurt about him being punished. It's obvious he's a POS-a racist one at that and here you defending him.

I'm sure you're still crying over Trump losing too lol.

I don’t know if you remember properly but sarver had said he never said the “N” at someone, he was questioning why draymond green was able to say it while playing “You know, why does Draymond Green get to run up the court and say [N-word],"
This is just one of the things media and posters here have taken out of context. Now he is labeled a racist for asking why racist language is allowed to be used on court. I find that interesting. Im not saying it’s fake news, I’m saying no one knows the details outside of a very vague investigation by the NBA.

As for Trump I’m not interested in a two party system that big government has control over. He also pushed the Vaccines and flew on the Lolita Express, so there is very little crying on my end, although it’s interesting he’s still living rent free in your head being that you brought him up in a totally unrelated topic.

It wasn’t a vague investigation, that’s the point. This is something that may well have been the most thorough and comprehensive investigation ever. Are you seriously defending someone whose excuse for using the N-word (one of the five times btw) was out of ignorance as a white owner in a predominantly black league? Surely you can’t be serious.

As I stated yesterday, the inaction by the league was in no way an indication of a lack of forthcoming punishment, rather that the investigation was ongoing until concluded. Some posts (and when I say some I mean mostly yours) aged poorly during this process and some aged well.

[sunsbum]

Oh boo hoo its not fair hes labeled sexist and racist for using the N word 5 times and made inappropriate comments towards what his female employees were wearing. Boo hoo waaa.

Im sorry sunsbum, but you don't even know what racism and sexism are. I'll provide proof

BUT I do not think Sarver hates black people or puts his race over others in a superior manner or dislikes women

There is the proof. Read some books.

Have a nice day.

Very well written and level headed response. Obviously this is not the trade mark definition of sexism and racism, depending on who you ask those can change daily. my general point still stands.

[MathiasPW]

I brought it up as Sarver supporters=Trump supporters. Case in point: you

Now, back to Booby $arver. Of course he's gonna say he didn't mean anything by it. The investigation wasn't very vague, it involved literally 1000's of pages of evidence and 100's of interviews. But as usual with RWers, you seem to ignore what you don't wanna see.

The overwhelming opinion is that Booby was guilty, yet here we are with you in here spreading gibberish.

Fact: He said the N-word 5 separate times.
Fact: He was told previously that he can't even repeat that word.
Fact: You're in here defending him.

Ah so now I’m the racist Trump supporter. Interesting spin tactic.

Anyways, I could care less about Sarver on an individual level, I’ve made it clear that there’s 2 sides to this story and no one is willing to listen to the other side. So when you carry the banner of equality, yet don’t follow your own ethical codes, it just makes me wonder how authentic some of you are. Always ready to cast the first stone.

I noticed you didn't address any of those facts. He didn't call you racist. You said that. He simply pointed out you're defending Robert **** Sarver of all people.

I can somewhat understand the various bigots on the GB defending him but....a Suns fan defending this guy? Come on.

If there's anything that should unite Suns fans, it's Booby $arver being forced the **** out off this team's ownership and away from the organization...from now until the end of time.


He was a POS before we knew about all of this.

BURNER ACCOUNT ALERT!