The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[BobbieL]

BTW, until last night Gambo was saying that Beal was gone for sure but KD wasn't a sure thing, but he was 95% gone.

Last night was the first time that he said that KD is gone for sure. So KD and Beal gone.

It's gonna be super interesting the new roster and who is gonna be the best player next to Booker.

The captain obvious KD is gone is well known national wide. Gambo regurgitating national news as his own personal breaking news never stops being embarrassing by gambo. He does that crap all the time.

Beal isn’t a sure bet to be gone. There is a lot of red tape with Beal and his contract. Claiming he “will be gone” is showing how uneducated Gambo is. Knowing Beals value, contract, and market…. A realistic chance of Beal being gone when combining all possible ways to move on is about 40% chance.

And one thing I would ask Gambo - do you think it is smart to trade Beal based on what it will take for a team to take him
I can find teams that might have contracts to move - but what makes them want to do it
Plus Beal has a NTC

I guess they can stretch Beal or waive himoutright
And stretching just prolongs the pain

[Sunsdeuce]

BTW, until last night Gambo was saying that Beal was gone for sure but KD wasn't a sure thing, but he was 95% gone.

Last night was the first time that he said that KD is gone for sure. So KD and Beal gone.

It's gonna be super interesting the new roster and who is gonna be the best player next to Booker.

The captain obvious KD is gone is well known national wide. Gambo regurgitating national news as his own personal breaking news never stops being embarrassing by gambo. He does that crap all the time.

Beal isn’t a sure bet to be gone. There is a lot of red tape with Beal and his contract. Claiming he “will be gone” is showing how uneducated Gambo is. Knowing Beals value, contract, and market…. A realistic chance of Beal being gone when combining all possible ways to move on is about 40% chance.

And one thing I would ask Gambo - do you think it is smart to trade Beal based on what it will take for a team to take him
I can find teams that might have contracts to move - but what makes them want to do it
Plus Beal has a NTC

I guess they can stretch Beal or waive himoutright
And stretching just prolongs the pain

No one is taking on Beal without assets attached to the deal and Beal would veto the trade anyway. Trade is nearly impossible for the suns. Stretching his contract would be enormously stupid because you hand cuff the team for years. It’s either buyout or let him finish out his contract with the Suns. Those are the only two options.

There is no scenario where the Suns get rid of Beal and the roster improves at the same time. Not gonna happen. Best choice is to keep him, get him healthy and have him contribute. When he is healthy, he can still ball.

[BobbieL]

The captain obvious KD is gone is well known national wide. Gambo regurgitating national news as his own personal breaking news never stops being embarrassing by gambo. He does that crap all the time.

Beal isn’t a sure bet to be gone. There is a lot of red tape with Beal and his contract. Claiming he “will be gone” is showing how uneducated Gambo is. Knowing Beals value, contract, and market…. A realistic chance of Beal being gone when combining all possible ways to move on is about 40% chance.

And one thing I would ask Gambo - do you think it is smart to trade Beal based on what it will take for a team to take him
I can find teams that might have contracts to move - but what makes them want to do it
Plus Beal has a NTC

I guess they can stretch Beal or waive himoutright
And stretching just prolongs the pain

No one is taking on Beal without assets attached to the deal and Beal was veto the trade anyway. Trade is nearly impossible for the suns. Stretching his contract would be enormously stupid because you hand cuff the team for years. It’s either buyout or let him finish out his contract with the Suns. Those are the only two options.

There is no scenario where the Suns get rid of Beal and the roster improves at the same time. Not gonna happen. Best choice is to keep him, get him healthy and have him contribute. When he is healthy, he can still ball.

Thats exactly what I think.

I have written - assuming Durant is traded
I think they can build a better team around Beal, than Booker based on what the players/picks received will be for each player

[Saberestar]

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That's why I really like everything that Ishbia is doing and why I think he will be a great owner for the Suns.

He is there for a press conference and is taking the blame for some decisions but he sets an optimistic tone and he has shown that he will put all the money and resources and he cares about the team.

We haven't been successful for now but he is there for just two+ years. He is gonna be the owner probably for the next 30 years and with the way he cares about the team at some time some way we will get there as a winning franchise and hopefully we will win a championship.

[Slim Charless]

BTW, until last night Gambo was saying that Beal was gone for sure but KD wasn't a sure thing, but he was 95% gone.

Last night was the first time that he said that KD is gone for sure. So KD and Beal gone.

It's gonna be super interesting the new roster and who is gonna be the best player next to Booker.

The captain obvious KD is gone is well known national wide. Gambo regurgitating national news as his own personal breaking news never stops being embarrassing by gambo. He does that crap all the time.

Beal isn’t a sure bet to be gone. There is a lot of red tape with Beal and his contract. Claiming he “will be gone” is showing how uneducated Gambo is. Knowing Beals value, contract, and market…. A realistic chance of Beal being gone when combining all possible ways to move on is about 40% chance.

His NTC makes things very complicated. They can't force him out.

[Ghost of Kleine]

BTW, until last night Gambo was saying that Beal was gone for sure but KD wasn't a sure thing, but he was 95% gone.

Last night was the first time that he said that KD is gone for sure. So KD and Beal gone.

It's gonna be super interesting the new roster and who is gonna be the best player next to Booker.

Interesting to see the Beal decision
My hope is that he is bought out and not stretched or traded - he has negative value

As for building around Booker
I am intrigued as well

My hope would be aimed at being more fiscally responsible by actually holding him onde more season and bringing him off the bench for when Booker sits! Not just because logically we'll need to have another potent scoring option to heelp carry our offense as he rests, but also because in holding him through next season, he becomes a massive expiring contract increasing any value he might reclaim if showcased, AND ifbought out, wouldn't cost us nearly as much in dead cap over the next half decade! Moreover, if we just let him play out his contract absent a trade, we won't have to waste more assets on marginal moves that won't significantly change/improve our trajectory anyways.

And if he comes off our books, we could easily have upwards of near 80-100 million to spend in a very loaded 2027 free agency to completely reconstruct our roster around whatever young core players w'd get back from a KD trade! Both Keith Smith and Rod Argent (Brightside of the Suns) break down the logic behind holding onto him in their articles on the complications behind moving/ buying out Beal!

Keith Smith Beal article

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Rod Argent (BSOTS) Beal article

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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[BringinDaRuckus]

Is KD's home in AZ listed for sale? If it is the house I think it is, it was listed at the end of December 2024.

[Saberestar]

BTW, until last night Gambo was saying that Beal was gone for sure but KD wasn't a sure thing, but he was 95% gone.

Last night was the first time that he said that KD is gone for sure. So KD and Beal gone.

It's gonna be super interesting the new roster and who is gonna be the best player next to Booker.

The captain obvious KD is gone is well known national wide. Gambo regurgitating national news as his own personal breaking news never stops being embarrassing by gambo. He does that crap all the time.

Beal isn’t a sure bet to be gone. There is a lot of red tape with Beal and his contract. Claiming he “will be gone” is showing how uneducated Gambo is. Knowing Beals value, contract, and market…. A realistic chance of Beal being gone when combining all possible ways to move on is about 40% chance.

Gambo gets the info directly from the Suns FO.

Don't be naive, he works for Arizona Radio show for the last 30 years and they need to give privilege information to that type of domestic shows to get solid audience everyday, it's well known.... I am not discovering anything special.

Beal is gone. 0 percent chance he is back.

[BobbieL]

BTW, until last night Gambo was saying that Beal was gone for sure but KD wasn't a sure thing, but he was 95% gone.

Last night was the first time that he said that KD is gone for sure. So KD and Beal gone.

It's gonna be super interesting the new roster and who is gonna be the best player next to Booker.

Interesting to see the Beal decision
My hope is that he is bought out and not stretched or traded - he has negative value

As for building around Booker
I am intrigued as well

My hope would be aimed at being more fiscally responsible by actually holding him onde more season and bringing him off the bench for when Booker sits! Not just because logically we'll need to have another potent scoring option to heelp carry our offense as he rests, but also because in holding him through next season, he becomes a massive expiring contract increasing any value he might reclaim if showcased, AND ifbought out, wouldn't cost us nearly as much in dead cap over the next half decade! Moreover, if we just let him play out his contract absent a trade, we won't have to waste more assets on marginal moves that won't significantly change/improve our trajectory anyways.

And if he comes off our books, we could easily have upwards of near 80-100 million to spend in a very loaded 2027 free agency to completely reconstruct our roster around whatever young core players w'd get back from a KD trade! Both Keith Smith and Rod Argent (Brightside of the Suns) break down the logic behind holding onto him in their articles on the complications behind moving/ buying out Beal!

Keith Smith Beal article

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Rod Argent (BSOTS) Beal article

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I agree with you. And if they are keeping Booker, part of the goal for the next two years is figure out how to move O'neale and Allen for better fits around Booker

And if you do keep Beal, as 6th man - he could get you 18 ppg

[Sunsdeuce]

BTW, until last night Gambo was saying that Beal was gone for sure but KD wasn't a sure thing, but he was 95% gone.

Last night was the first time that he said that KD is gone for sure. So KD and Beal gone.

It's gonna be super interesting the new roster and who is gonna be the best player next to Booker.

The captain obvious KD is gone is well known national wide. Gambo regurgitating national news as his own personal breaking news never stops being embarrassing by gambo. He does that crap all the time.

Beal isn’t a sure bet to be gone. There is a lot of red tape with Beal and his contract. Claiming he “will be gone” is showing how uneducated Gambo is. Knowing Beals value, contract, and market…. A realistic chance of Beal being gone when combining all possible ways to move on is about 40% chance.

Gambo gets the info directly from the Suns FO.

Don't be naive, he works for Arizona Radio show for the last 30 years and they need to give privilege information to that type of domestic shows to get solid audience everyday, it's well known.... I am not discovering anything special.

Beal is gone. 0 percent chance he is back.

AND Gambo has been wrong about the Suns a lot. He doesn’t have the same connections he had when he first started. And you are missing the point here. Beal and his contract make it VERY difficult to move on from. He’s can’t disappear like a fart in the wind. Jones can say what he wants but facts disagree with “he will be gone for sure/100%”. Just don’t be ignorant to the situation. The difficultly of moving on from Beal is very real.

[sunsbg]

Ishbia says Suns will win championships with 's' at the end. Coming from him that means Suns are top 5 lottery team next season.

[Ghost of Kleine]

For those people clamoring for OG Anunoby in a KD to Knicks trade, I get liking him, but honestly, why pay $40-45 million per year for Anunoby and have to worry about his injury issues too when we could just draft Adou Theiro with an early 2nd round pick in a trade??

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He's currently ranked as the 37th pick of the 2nd round, and could be had fairly easily by acquiring an early 2nd from a trade of either Allen or O'neale.

Charlotte-
Allen/ CLE 27' 1st to Charlotte for G Williams/ 33rd and 34th picks in the 25 draft. ** Grant Williams can replace O'neale.

Brooklyn-
O'neale to Brooklyn for 25' 2nd (36th pick)/ ATL 26' 2nd.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Ishbia says Suns will win championships with 's' at the end. Coming from him that means Suns are top 5 lottery team next season.

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( 3:35 minutes in)!!
Reminds me of this Lebron "the decision" quote.

[SunsRback4Good]

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That's why I really like everything that Ishbia is doing and why I think he will be a great owner for the Suns.

He is there for a press conference and is taking the blame for some decisions but he sets an optimistic tone and he has shown that he will put all the money and resources and he cares about the team.

We haven't been successful for now but he is there for just two+ years. He is gonna be the owner probably for the next 30 years and with the way he cares about the team at some time some way we will get there as a winning franchise and hopefully we will win a championship.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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A really good point here!

[Djedefre]

Yeah, i am also infatuated with 'Ro, but there is no man in this organization able to actually evaluate prospects and find gold. I'm not even sure Ishbia and rocks around him even entertain an idea of spending any time on scouting and the draft as a whole. Maybe if we hire a proper GM and he himself insists being surrounded with capable associates he trusts. Can't see that at all, this charade with 'Ishbia is not pulling the trigger' narrative they are feeding the fans now is just hilarious. If Jones is leaving, it will be some random headnodder in his place. Nothing to see here, please disperse.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[SunsRback4Good]

Yeah, i am also infatuated with 'Ro, but there is no man in this organization able to actually evaluate prospects and find gold. I'm not even sure Ishbia and rocks around him even entertain an idea of spending any time on scouting and the draft as a whole. Maybe if we hire a proper GM and he himself insists being surrounded with capable associates he trusts. Can't see that at all, this charade with 'Ishbia is not pulling the trigger' narrative they are feeding the fans now is just hilarious. If Jones is leaving, it will be some random headnodder in his place. Nothing to see here, please disperse.

I can’t root for this team any longer. I’m definitely not as strong as Saberaster. What should I do mate?

[Djedefre]

Yeah, i am also infatuated with 'Ro, but there is no man in this organization able to actually evaluate prospects and find gold. I'm not even sure Ishbia and rocks around him even entertain an idea of spending any time on scouting and the draft as a whole. Maybe if we hire a proper GM and he himself insists being surrounded with capable associates he trusts. Can't see that at all, this charade with 'Ishbia is not pulling the trigger' narrative they are feeding the fans now is just hilarious. If Jones is leaving, it will be some random headnodder in his place. Nothing to see here, please disperse.

I can’t root for this team any longer. I’m definitely not as strong as Saberaster. What should I do mate?

I have my own struggle as well. This product is definitely atrocious and made me not care for the first time in my life. Hope dies last, i still dream of divine intervention and our owner realizing he can not run the franchise without top tier executives and that he would eventually take the back seat. Even i am contemplating a hiatus from purple&orange. If this idiot does something stupid again this off-season and there is still no reaction or a concrete initiative from the fandom, i might just give up. If people in AZ are ok with one man toying and ruining the franchise and they are happy with watching this dumpsterfire without raising a finger, then maybe they don't deserve better at all.