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Post#4001 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Jun 9, 2021 7:13 pm

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One thing I've learned about James Jones is that he doesn't take flyers on guys. He brings players in who want to be here, who buy in, who are ready to work in an assigned role and earn their minutes.

Which is all to say, players are either on our short list or they're not, and I don't feel I have any clue who would or wouldn't be on it.

I agree that Saric is the player who is most likely to be sent packing, as pretty much everyone else on the roster seems to be succeeding in their role. I could see us losing Craig or even Frank to a team willing to offer more money, but like most here I expect us to pay Cam Payne. Richardson could be a good add if we lose Craig.

I really hope CP3 doesn't try to break our bank and accepts something closer to $30 per year than to $40, but I'm not counting on it. I supported Sarver's low-cost approach during the tank with the expectation that he would spend big when the time came, but I didn't expect our roster to get so expensive so fast. It's going to be hard to put a supporting cast around these guys if doing so puts us in danger of paying the repeater tax. Then again I hear all the new age factories are being built in AZ, so who knows. Maybe Phoenix is a big enough market now to support that kind of investment. Those Valley jerseys are dope.


Richardson is a very good role player. And I don't see any way any team offers Frank anything more than the minimum so doubt that scenario is possible. He really shouldn't even play on our team, and I could argue he's the worst player in the NBA for 2 years in a row now. Could see Craig getting paid for a bigger role elsewhere though.


Frank is actually solid. Definitely not the worst in NBA. He's limited but he fits our system well. Good passer and crafty around the basket. I think even someone like Ayton can learn footwork from guys like Kaminsky and Saric. Both are not athletic at all but they have good footwork and are good passers. That being said I hope Suns sign someone better than Kaminsky :D


Kaminsky is a solid third string big. Good size, can shoot (inconsistently), good passer, avoids mistakes. Knows his role, good teammate, occasionally provides quality minutes. Was solid starting several games for the #2 team in the league this year, mostly victories IIRC. I don't think he's worth much more than the minimum, but even $500k more is a 50% pay increase, and most minimum contract players in this league aren't even solid third stringers.

I fully expect we'll bring him back if no one's willing to offer more than the minimum, but I wouldn't be shocked if he were offered a bit more, because he is an NBA player. Book loves him. No point in replacing him with another Cheick Diallo.
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Post#4002 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 9, 2021 8:11 pm

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Richardson is a very good role player. And I don't see any way any team offers Frank anything more than the minimum so doubt that scenario is possible. He really shouldn't even play on our team, and I could argue he's the worst player in the NBA for 2 years in a row now. Could see Craig getting paid for a bigger role elsewhere though.


Frank is actually solid. Definitely not the worst in NBA. He's limited but he fits our system well. Good passer and crafty around the basket. I think even someone like Ayton can learn footwork from guys like Kaminsky and Saric. Both are not athletic at all but they have good footwork and are good passers. That being said I hope Suns sign someone better than Kaminsky :D


Kaminsky is a solid third string big. Good size, can shoot (inconsistently), good passer, avoids mistakes. Knows his role, good teammate, occasionally provides quality minutes. Was solid starting several games for the #2 team in the league this year, mostly victories IIRC. I don't think he's worth much more than the minimum, but even $500k more is a 50% pay increase, and most minimum contract players in this league aren't even solid third stringers.

I fully expect we'll bring him back if no one's willing to offer more than the minimum, but I wouldn't be shocked if he were offered a bit more, because he is an NBA player. Book loves him. No point in replacing him with another Cheick Diallo.


Frank for the vet minimum is not a no brainer but he is a very good option. But like you said, a team might offer him more.

But the Suns are showing they are very competitive. Unless they just get blitzed by the Nuggets the next four games -- even if they lose to the Nuggets, I think the league and players know they are an ascending team. Meaning, those veteran minimum players will have Phoenix as an option I would think. But Frank has been solid - good thing Sac-twon let him go
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Post#4003 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 8:12 pm

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Richardson is a very good role player. And I don't see any way any team offers Frank anything more than the minimum so doubt that scenario is possible. He really shouldn't even play on our team, and I could argue he's the worst player in the NBA for 2 years in a row now. Could see Craig getting paid for a bigger role elsewhere though.


Frank is actually solid. Definitely not the worst in NBA. He's limited but he fits our system well. Good passer and crafty around the basket. I think even someone like Ayton can learn footwork from guys like Kaminsky and Saric. Both are not athletic at all but they have good footwork and are good passers. That being said I hope Suns sign someone better than Kaminsky :D


Kaminsky is a solid third string big. Good size, can shoot (inconsistently), good passer, avoids mistakes. Knows his role, good teammate, occasionally provides quality minutes. Was solid starting several games for the #2 team in the league this year, mostly victories IIRC. I don't think he's worth much more than the minimum, but even $500k more is a 50% pay increase, and most minimum contract players in this league aren't even solid third stringers.

I fully expect we'll bring him back if no one's willing to offer more than the minimum, but I wouldn't be shocked if he were offered a bit more, because he is an NBA player. Book loves him. No point in replacing him with another Cheick Diallo.


Forgot about that win streak where he actually started for awhile and when they stopped starting him people were asking "Why change things when we are on a win streak?" I think we actually lost the next one or maybe the following one after that.
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Post#4004 » by Adrao » Wed Jun 9, 2021 8:28 pm

What do you think about a 3 years contract 35-30-25 for CP3? Does it fit with Ayton and Bridges future contracts?
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Post#4005 » by Slim Charless » Wed Jun 9, 2021 8:42 pm

Adrao wrote:What do you think about a 3 years contract 35-30-25 for CP3? Does it fit with Ayton and Bridges future contracts?


That's my preference. I hope that when the Suns resign him he is OK with a contract just like that. Something decending in cost would help us massively with those 2 contracts coming up.
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Post#4006 » by Slim Charless » Wed Jun 9, 2021 8:45 pm

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Frank is actually solid. Definitely not the worst in NBA. He's limited but he fits our system well. Good passer and crafty around the basket. I think even someone like Ayton can learn footwork from guys like Kaminsky and Saric. Both are not athletic at all but they have good footwork and are good passers. That being said I hope Suns sign someone better than Kaminsky :D


Kaminsky is a solid third string big. Good size, can shoot (inconsistently), good passer, avoids mistakes. Knows his role, good teammate, occasionally provides quality minutes. Was solid starting several games for the #2 team in the league this year, mostly victories IIRC. I don't think he's worth much more than the minimum, but even $500k more is a 50% pay increase, and most minimum contract players in this league aren't even solid third stringers.

I fully expect we'll bring him back if no one's willing to offer more than the minimum, but I wouldn't be shocked if he were offered a bit more, because he is an NBA player. Book loves him. No point in replacing him with another Cheick Diallo.


Forgot about that win streak where he actually started for awhile and when they stopped starting him people were asking "Why change things when we are on a win streak?" I think we actually lost the next one or maybe the following one after that.


I mean....I like Frank and all but we need someone who can actually provide useful mins at the 5. I'd like Taj Gibson or maybe Ibaka if he can stay healthy. Both of those guys will likely take a similar contract to Frank and be MUCH more productive players for us next yr.
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Post#4007 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 9:44 pm

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Kaminsky is a solid third string big. Good size, can shoot (inconsistently), good passer, avoids mistakes. Knows his role, good teammate, occasionally provides quality minutes. Was solid starting several games for the #2 team in the league this year, mostly victories IIRC. I don't think he's worth much more than the minimum, but even $500k more is a 50% pay increase, and most minimum contract players in this league aren't even solid third stringers.

I fully expect we'll bring him back if no one's willing to offer more than the minimum, but I wouldn't be shocked if he were offered a bit more, because he is an NBA player. Book loves him. No point in replacing him with another Cheick Diallo.


Forgot about that win streak where he actually started for awhile and when they stopped starting him people were asking "Why change things when we are on a win streak?" I think we actually lost the next one or maybe the following one after that.


I mean....I like Frank and all but we need someone who can actually provide useful mins at the 5. I'd like Taj Gibson or maybe Ibaka if he can stay healthy. Both of those guys will likely take a similar contract to Frank and be MUCH more productive players for us next yr.


Those guys are too old at this point. Serge is still pretty good but has been injured most of this year, but he has a player option to go back to the Clips next year I imagine he will exercise.
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Post#4008 » by Slim Charless » Wed Jun 9, 2021 10:18 pm

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Forgot about that win streak where he actually started for awhile and when they stopped starting him people were asking "Why change things when we are on a win streak?" I think we actually lost the next one or maybe the following one after that.


I mean....I like Frank and all but we need someone who can actually provide useful mins at the 5. I'd like Taj Gibson or maybe Ibaka if he can stay healthy. Both of those guys will likely take a similar contract to Frank and be MUCH more productive players for us next yr.


Those guys are too old at this point. Serge is still pretty good but has been injured most of this year, but he has a player option to go back to the Clips next year I imagine he will exercise.


Taj gave the Knicks good mins this year. He's only 34 I think and we'll only need him for 15 a game or so. Plus, he'd add another tough vet to the room.
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Post#4009 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 10:37 pm

Regarding the poll, I think it's pretty obviously Bridges > CP3. CP3 is the engine this season and likely the next but that well will dry up eventually and we have to look forward to the future.
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Post#4010 » by cberry78 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 11:13 pm

Why not Harrell? His contract is a player option for next year and we all know he's pissed about his playing time in the playoffs. I can't think of a player I'd rather spend $8 ish mil on this off season.

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Post#4011 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 11:20 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I still prefer Utah as well. Paul George just kills us for whatever reason this season, maybe he's mad that Book made that shot in the bubble. Plus Rondo and Beverly will give CP3 nightmares, or perhaps even injure him.
I'd rather the Suns take their chances with the Jazz, where the Suns beat them twice this season when they were at full health, and another time when they basically didn't have anyone.

I just feel like Clips pose more problems. PG killed us all season long, they shoot really well from the 3 and I feel like they are as deep if not deeper than us. They have a good rotation of players they can throw at Book and CP3 while I don't think Utah really has an answer for Book/CP3.

I just hope that Utah can take care of the Clippers
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Post#4012 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jun 9, 2021 11:26 pm

cberry78 wrote:Why not Harrell? His contract is a player option for next year and we all know he's pissed about his playing time in the playoffs. I can't think of a player I'd rather spend $8 ish mil on this off season.

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Suns will want to be a playoff team so why spend on a guy who his last two employers deamed unplayable in the playoffs? Good teams target him on D and the fact he can't shoot makes it harder on your O.

He's a nice hustle guy but I wouldn't pay any player type like him over the min.

Probably moot since I expect he opts in because I don't think he would have a strong market in FA.

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Post#4013 » by Barkley6 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 11:36 pm

Not sure if this was posted already, but...I would LOVE to have him back for MLE type money. Would he take a backup role to be on a contending team? Not sure, but goodness that would be fun to watch.

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Post#4014 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:43 am

I feel we are talking about CP3's contract and the numbers and what the Suns should do this off-season a bit prematurely. If the Suns somehow make it to the NBA Finals, or even to the Conference Finals and lose, you could potentially see Chris Paul opt out and maybe have a more team friendly deal to help maybe recruit someone else in free agency. I could mostly see something like that happen if the Suns faced the Nets in the Finals and CP3 wanted a bit more help.
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Post#4015 » by Saberestar » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:57 am

cberry78 wrote:Why not Harrell? His contract is a player option for next year and we all know he's pissed about his playing time in the playoffs. I can't think of a player I'd rather spend $8 ish mil on this off season.

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Is Harrell a better passer, 3p shooter or defender than Saric or Kaminsky? No, and those attributes are what we need in our backup C on our system.
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Post#4016 » by AtheJ415 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:44 am

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Richardson is a very good role player. And I don't see any way any team offers Frank anything more than the minimum so doubt that scenario is possible. He really shouldn't even play on our team, and I could argue he's the worst player in the NBA for 2 years in a row now. Could see Craig getting paid for a bigger role elsewhere though.


Frank is actually solid. Definitely not the worst in NBA. He's limited but he fits our system well. Good passer and crafty around the basket. I think even someone like Ayton can learn footwork from guys like Kaminsky and Saric. Both are not athletic at all but they have good footwork and are good passers. That being said I hope Suns sign someone better than Kaminsky :D


Kaminsky is a solid third string big. Good size, can shoot (inconsistently), good passer, avoids mistakes. Knows his role, good teammate, occasionally provides quality minutes. Was solid starting several games for the #2 team in the league this year, mostly victories IIRC. I don't think he's worth much more than the minimum, but even $500k more is a 50% pay increase, and most minimum contract players in this league aren't even solid third stringers.

I fully expect we'll bring him back if no one's willing to offer more than the minimum, but I wouldn't be shocked if he were offered a bit more, because he is an NBA player. Book loves him. No point in replacing him with another Cheick Diallo.


The only thing Frank does well is knowing the system. It's his only redeeming quality. He can't shoot, defend the perimeter, defend the paint, rebound, dribble, create, and is constantly late in rotation. When I say he's the worst in the NBA, I mean his metrics, across the board, are bottom of the league relative to minutes played. He's not even a league replacement level player. We'd be much better off signing an FA in the offseason (any NBA level dude) and letting him learn the system. The only reason Stanky Franky is back imo is because after getting cut by a team that desperately needs NBA players, he just happened to know our system. I'd love it if he was the shooter he was supposed to be out of college, but he isn't. He lives off that reputation more than his actual shooting in the league, similar to Mirotic at the start of his career.
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Post#4017 » by AtheJ415 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:47 am

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cberry78 wrote:Why not Harrell? His contract is a player option for next year and we all know he's pissed about his playing time in the playoffs. I can't think of a player I'd rather spend $8 ish mil on this off season.

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Suns will want to be a playoff team so why spend on a guy who his last two employers deamed unplayable in the playoffs? Good teams target him on D and the fact he can't shoot makes it harder on your O.

He's a nice hustle guy but I wouldn't pay any player type like him over the min.

Probably moot since I expect he opts in because I don't think he would have a strong market in FA.

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Yeah. That's the great thing about our current team. We don't really have guys you can pick on defensively or not guard offensively. When Dario was struggling and we had to play Frank the +/- was insanely terrible because we had a guy who could be picked on. Denver is getting lit up this series because both their guards and MPJ can be picked on. We need a 2 way backup big who can be at least a little versatile defensively, grab boards, and defend the hoop. An athletic energy big is fine for that, but Harrell, for as great as his motor is, is just completely lost on defense.
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Post#4018 » by timetoshinebaby » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:28 pm

I think realistically offseason we need as many coming back as possible plus addressing issues at back up C and SG. We need someone who can defend if Ayton is in foul trouble and some experience at the back up SG would be of great value.

Worried about Payne coming back but if Paul takes 10m less and does a 100/3 then that is probably room for Payne.

Will be interesting what guys are willing to sacrifice to come to the Valley as I think there will be interest.
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Post#4019 » by Saberestar » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:54 pm

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Frank is actually solid. Definitely not the worst in NBA. He's limited but he fits our system well. Good passer and crafty around the basket. I think even someone like Ayton can learn footwork from guys like Kaminsky and Saric. Both are not athletic at all but they have good footwork and are good passers. That being said I hope Suns sign someone better than Kaminsky :D


Kaminsky is a solid third string big. Good size, can shoot (inconsistently), good passer, avoids mistakes. Knows his role, good teammate, occasionally provides quality minutes. Was solid starting several games for the #2 team in the league this year, mostly victories IIRC. I don't think he's worth much more than the minimum, but even $500k more is a 50% pay increase, and most minimum contract players in this league aren't even solid third stringers.

I fully expect we'll bring him back if no one's willing to offer more than the minimum, but I wouldn't be shocked if he were offered a bit more, because he is an NBA player. Book loves him. No point in replacing him with another Cheick Diallo.


The only thing Frank does well is knowing the system. It's his only redeeming quality. He can't shoot, defend the perimeter, defend the paint, rebound, dribble, create, and is constantly late in rotation. When I say he's the worst in the NBA, I mean his metrics, across the board, are bottom of the league relative to minutes played. He's not even a league replacement level player. We'd be much better off signing an FA in the offseason (any NBA level dude) and letting him learn the system. The only reason Stanky Franky is back imo is because after getting cut by a team that desperately needs NBA players, he just happened to know our system. I'd love it if he was the shooter he was supposed to be out of college, but he isn't. He lives off that reputation more than his actual shooting in the league, similar to Mirotic at the start of his career.

Are you seriously saying that guys that were on the Rockets or Thunder rosters that no one knew even to spell their names correctly and were there just to tank hard are better players than Kaminsky?
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