2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????

[sasquatchBob]

Really interesting to re-watch this now. Puts things into perspective about the culture shift and the mindset of the team.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) Tweeted:
Sources: Key dates for the 2021-22 NBA season:

Sept. 28: Training camp starts
Oct. 19: Regular season starts
April 16: Playoffs start
June 2: Finals Game 1
June 19: Finals Game 7
June 23: 2022 NBA Draft

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Really interesting to re-watch this now. Puts things into perspective about the culture shift and the mindset of the team.

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That is a good watch. Funny he even mentions Chris Paul at one point.

Monty is a good example of how being humble and willing to learn what you can do better can really help you succeed in life. Most of us have a hard time identifying and accepting our faults.

I also like how he's not married to running 'his system' and adjusts to his personel. Lots of coaches are the opposite on that.

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[Slim Charless]

Yeah, I'm fine with Frank on a minimum, and he's great for the locker room and unity as we go forward, but I know they want to upgrade in areas. I imagine they will let one guard go (maybe 2), add a rookie PG (hopefully), and another experienced banging big for he minimum. The main guy to bring back is Payne and then Craig. Nader if on minimum deal but expendable if Craig is back. And keep developing Smith and Alexander for young depth at 2 most important spots needed.

This is fully what I anticipate. I think they likely do a little due diligence on some guys for more than the minimum (maybe just get a feel for Richuan Holmes' market, maybe see if DeMar DeRozan is at the point in his career where he wants to sacrifice money for winning), but barring one of those big time guys making an unexpected move, I think we let both Gallo and Moore walk. I hate losing them, but I think we need to draft a PG of the future and let him learn while CP3 is still here.

I think Kaminsky and Nader back on minimum deals make a lot of sense, but if there are guys like say, Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard, James Johnson, Javale McGee, Hassan Whiteside, etc. who are willing to come here for the minimum, I think you take those players over Frank (not many wings fall into that older, talented, minimum deal category, so maybe bringing Nader back is more likely than Frank)

I would like to find a way to move on from Carter, as I feel his contract is the biggest barrier we have in upgrading our roster. I think he's a solid NBA player, but with CP3, Book, and Payne his minutes are always going to be limited, and he doesn't do enough to warrant letting those guys sit for longer. But that's easier said that done.

Holmes is a super quality C...starter quality. He won't be had for a backup role. He has thrived in Sacramento and could start a lot of places. I kind of like DeRozan only because it's amazing how he's become such a good passer while having low turnovers. But he's not a guy we need to look into. We need 3&D type guys. It's nice to have solid midrange guys and guys who move the ball but if you can't hit 3s or defend as well, I don't think you fit in here.

I think that DeRozen would fit well in Dallas. This is depending on if they trade KP for someone like Kemba but if not a midrange guy who take pressure off Luka would work. They have the money for him and he doesn't have to uproot his family as he'll stay in Texas.

For us, I want a quality vet big to backup Ayton and a young point to groom under CP. That plus resign our key guys will make me happy this summer. Maybe toss an extension to DA/Bridges as well and get that out of the way.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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If you want to win basketball games, get Chris Paul on your team...
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[Barkley6]

This is fully what I anticipate. I think they likely do a little due diligence on some guys for more than the minimum (maybe just get a feel for Richuan Holmes' market, maybe see if DeMar DeRozan is at the point in his career where he wants to sacrifice money for winning), but barring one of those big time guys making an unexpected move, I think we let both Gallo and Moore walk. I hate losing them, but I think we need to draft a PG of the future and let him learn while CP3 is still here.

I think Kaminsky and Nader back on minimum deals make a lot of sense, but if there are guys like say, Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard, James Johnson, Javale McGee, Hassan Whiteside, etc. who are willing to come here for the minimum, I think you take those players over Frank (not many wings fall into that older, talented, minimum deal category, so maybe bringing Nader back is more likely than Frank)

I would like to find a way to move on from Carter, as I feel his contract is the biggest barrier we have in upgrading our roster. I think he's a solid NBA player, but with CP3, Book, and Payne his minutes are always going to be limited, and he doesn't do enough to warrant letting those guys sit for longer. But that's easier said that done.

Holmes is a super quality C...starter quality. He won't be had for a backup role. He has thrived in Sacramento and could start a lot of places. I kind of like DeRozan only because it's amazing how he's become such a good passer while having low turnovers. But he's not a guy we need to look into. We need 3&D type guys. It's nice to have solid midrange guys and guys who move the ball but if you can't hit 3s or defend as well, I don't think you fit in here.

It's not going to happen but if DeRozan was willing to chase a ring as a 6th man playing on the MLE he would be a ridiculously good addition. He'd fit right in with the passing on this team and could carry the bench scoring. Again not going to happen but man would they be tough with him.

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It's incredibly unlikely, but I think you could make a pitch that would at least make him consider it. He's 32. He isn't going to be a first or likely second option anywhere where he has a reasonable chance of competing for a title. He's already gotten paid a boat load in his career. He'd have the chance to play with a really talented roster, and would likely be automatic for 6MOTY provided he stayed healthy (you could also sell him on not starting, but likely closing games, similar to Derrick Rose in NY). And you could possibly sell him on the idea of extending his career by playing less minutes per night.

Do I think it happens? No. money talks in this league and he'll take his money.

Though, now that I think about it....maybe could convince the Spurs to do a S&T for Saric and Carter, which I think would be able to get DeRozan on a salary close to about $15m/per.

[RunDogGun]

Why would the Spurs want Saric and Carter?

[Barkley6]

Why would the Spurs want Saric and Carter?

Both are very much Popovich type players, both are on relatively small contracts and it would mean they got something in return rather than DeRozan just leaving for nothing.

[RunDogGun]

Why would the Spurs want Saric and Carter?

Both are very much Popovich type players, both are on relatively small contracts and it would mean they got something in return rather than DeRozan just leaving for nothing.

Bridges is more of a Pop's guy. I think they would ask for him. I think they could get more for DD than Saric and Carter in a sign and trade. But if Jones could pull that off, I would be impressed.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Why would the Spurs want Saric and Carter?

Both are very much Popovich type players, both are on relatively small contracts and it would mean they got something in return rather than DeRozan just leaving for nothing.

Bridges is more of a Pop's guy. I think they would ask for him. I think they could get more for DD than Saric and Carter in a sign and trade. But if Jones could pull that off, I would be impressed.

Derozan is definitely intriguing to me, IF we choose to utilize more of a fast break style offense. But if not Derozan, And I'm sorry if this is a bit out there, But what about something along the lines of Saric/ Carter/ 29th pick for Dejounte Murray/ and the 41st pick? That would help their rebuild by giving them another first, Saric would give them a floor spacer in their frontcourt. Lastly, They save 14 million from Murray's contract in yr 4 too!

And for us, We get a veteran guard that is really good defensively, AND we also get a mid 2nd for a really cheap backup center option?

https://tradenba.com/trades/omLsyXVY8

[RunDogGun]

I don't see them giving us Murray.

[lilfishi22]

I don't see them giving us Murray.

Wojbomb right here

[NapoleonII]

No to Derozan.

We literally had an 80-85% DD (minus the passing) in TJ Warren and it never really worked out here.

We need a big man 5 to backup Ayton, a real starting 4, a backup PG to let CP3 get some rest in the regular season, and a resigned Cam Payne.

Where is Demar going to find 28-34 minutes?

Not from the 3 or 4 spot with Bridges/Jae/a healthy Cam Johnson/Saric (who plays well against a ton of teams).

Not from the backup 2.

[Waylay13]

Really interesting to re-watch this now. Puts things into perspective about the culture shift and the mindset of the team.

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Watching this I am really wondering how much this current Suns team is more like a Spurs team then a historical Suns team. Historically we have been a run and gun team with more focus on pace of the game then really earning a defensive identity. Right now the Suns are shocking everyone with our defense. We have some top of the line defenders but even other players who I believed would be more of spot of shooters are being good defenders (Cam Johnson). At what point do we start saying this team is not like over 50+ years of Suns team?

[Ghost of Kleine]

I don't see them giving us Murray.

Ok, I wasn't sure if they were higher on White than Murray due to contract value/ production for their rebuild? It was actually a while back on the trade board. It might have even been Week or someone else from our board that was enquiring about Murray vs White in a trade ( I believe) for Oubre back whenst he was recovering from his injury during our bubble run. And for the contractual price, I'd honestly prefer White a bit more.

But just wasn't sure on their perception of value between the two going forward. Ultimately, I'd even be happy with something around Saric/ Carter/ 29th for Mills/ 41st pick ( take a backup 5)??? ( ** Mills would have to be resigned/ traded) if amenable of course! Resigned for around 30 /3 with a 3rd yr team option perhaps?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzo7nt9e

[WeekapaugGroove]

Really interesting to re-watch this now. Puts things into perspective about the culture shift and the mindset of the team.

Watch on YouTube

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Watching this I am really wondering how much this current Suns team is more like a Spurs team then a historical Suns team. Historically we have been a run and gun team with more focus on pace of the game then really earning a defensive identity. Right now the Suns are shocking everyone with our defense. We have some top of the line defenders but even other players who I believed would be more of spot of shooters are being good defenders (Cam Johnson). At what point do we start saying this team is not like over 50+ years of Suns team?

I've thought all year this is the bizzaro world Suns. Maybe I'm missing some suns teams before my time but this might be the best defensive team the franchise has ever had.

The spurs are a good comp. What make the suns tough to play is they simply don't make many mistakes on either side of the ball. You have to beat them because they rarely beat themselves.

Monty and Jones seem very aligned on the type of players they want and that's a very good sign for the future.

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[Desertfox]

We need a big man 5 to backup Ayton, a real starting 4, a backup PG to let CP3 get some rest in the regular season, and a resigned Cam Payne.

How about Daniel Theis (backup 5), Markannen (starting 4), and Sato (backup 1-2)?

[NapoleonII]

We need a big man 5 to backup Ayton, a real starting 4, a backup PG to let CP3 get some rest in the regular season, and a resigned Cam Payne.

How about Daniel Theis (backup 5), Markannen (starting 4), and Sato (backup 1-2)?

I like Theis and Sato (someone I've been advocating here for years).

But Markannen plays zero defense. I'd rather just play Frank than pay 12-14m for a no defense, no rebounding expensive 3 point spot-up shooter.

What makes this squad special this season is that we don't really have a weakness defensively, 1-5. With Booker finally giving a **** (or having energy) to play decent defense, no position is really exposed, as Lebron found out the hard way. We rebound well (90% because of Ayton), have length and disruption, can switch, can collapse into the paint AND swarm back to the 3 point line.

[Desertfox]

Saric and Kaminsky don't exactly play defense either, which are the ones he would be replacing. We would also still have both Crowder and Craig. And Booker didn't use to play defense until this season or Ayton his first season. Put Markannen in a better situation and team and he can be great again.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Wait why would we want to replace Crowder as the starting 4? He's a great fit with this group.

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