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PackSuns wrote:Fo-Real wrote:Looks like he hurt it reaching to deflect a pass from Big Al at 3:55 left to go in the first quarter.
Thanks for the detective work!!
Fo-Real wrote:The Suns said he left with an illness I believe first of all then later said it was a head injury and he would be out indefinitely.Our board jump to the conclusion that he must have hit his head and then that's part of the concussion was the illness for him leaving. Then came out that has a head injury and will be out for a bit and people surmised that maybe he bumped his head doing something. Looking at the videos it's not a head injury to his actual head.... he hurt his shoulder. It's clear in the video that he hurt his shoulder. what I'm trying to figure out is why the Suns reported the injury has a head injury and that he'd be out indefinitely when he clearly hurt his shoulder.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Fo-Real wrote:The Suns said he left with an illness I believe first of all then later said it was a head injury and he would be out indefinitely.Our board jump to the conclusion that he must have hit his head and then that's part of the concussion was the illness for him leaving. Then came out that has a head injury and will be out for a bit and people surmised that maybe he bumped his head doing something. Looking at the videos it's not a head injury to his actual head.... he hurt his shoulder. It's clear in the video that he hurt his shoulder. what I'm trying to figure out is why the Suns reported the injury has a head injury and that he'd be out indefinitely when he clearly hurt his shoulder.
Could be but as you say its odd they wouldn't just say shoulder injury. I was guessing he wasnt feeling well and after some test they discovered some non basketball health issue.
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Fo-Real wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:Fo-Real wrote:The Suns said he left with an illness I believe first of all then later said it was a head injury and he would be out indefinitely.Our board jump to the conclusion that he must have hit his head and then that's part of the concussion was the illness for him leaving. Then came out that has a head injury and will be out for a bit and people surmised that maybe he bumped his head doing something. Looking at the videos it's not a head injury to his actual head.... he hurt his shoulder. It's clear in the video that he hurt his shoulder. what I'm trying to figure out is why the Suns reported the injury has a head injury and that he'd be out indefinitely when he clearly hurt his shoulder.
Could be but as you say its odd they wouldn't just say shoulder injury. I was guessing he wasnt feeling well and after some test they discovered some non basketball health issue.
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YA, my rant is ..... why would they do that? Why be vague and misleading?
Not long before he left the game and the court, Warren began grabbing his left shoulder and shaking his arm. Miles drew attention away from Warren when he hurt his left knee but Warren simultaneously went to the training room and then the hospital. He said it was not a concussion.
“Just a minor head injury,” Warren said. “They didn’t really give me too much detail but I should be all right.”
carey wrote:I don't get it.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/11/25/phoenix-suns-tj-warren-expects-fine-couple-weeks/94440128/Not long before he left the game and the court, Warren began grabbing his left shoulder and shaking his arm. Miles drew attention away from Warren when he hurt his left knee but Warren simultaneously went to the training room and then the hospital. He said it was not a concussion.
“Just a minor head injury,” Warren said. “They didn’t really give me too much detail but I should be all right.”
lilfishi22 wrote:So either TJ has a minor injury and we're being ultra cautionary with him for a trade or he has a more serious injury than fans are told about. I'm not ruling out the 1st option but it just feels too odd to me.
It's not usual for a star player to be held out for so long for trade purposes.
bwgood77 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:So either TJ has a minor injury and we're being ultra cautionary with him for a trade or he has a more serious injury than fans are told about. I'm not ruling out the 1st option but it just feels too odd to me.
It's not usual for a star player to be held out for so long for trade purposes.
Plus, the way he came out in the middle of a game doesn't make sense that it's for trade purposes. I am afraid it's more serious than we are led to believe though. I mean everything makes it SEEM like it's a concussion, where the NFL protocol is pretty much that they have to sit out the next week, and sometimes two weeks, so basically those players don't play for anywhere from 2 to 3 weeks, so I could see the NBA being the same. Perhaps if it was a concussion, that it happened prior to him feeling not so well in that game, and he was dizzy or something and injured his elbow, and when they got him back to the locker room, they realized it was an earlier concussion.
Now that makes a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense is that they said is wasn't a concussion, or at least TJ did, so I don't know if the team officially said that and maybe TJ misunderstood. At the same time, if it WAS a concussion, I don't see why they would want to say it wasn't unless it's from something extremely embarrassing to him that happened at home, like falling in the bathroom and bumping his head or something. Who knows?
GoranTragic wrote:bwgood77 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:So either TJ has a minor injury and we're being ultra cautionary with him for a trade or he has a more serious injury than fans are told about. I'm not ruling out the 1st option but it just feels too odd to me.
It's not usual for a star player to be held out for so long for trade purposes.
Plus, the way he came out in the middle of a game doesn't make sense that it's for trade purposes. I am afraid it's more serious than we are led to believe though. I mean everything makes it SEEM like it's a concussion, where the NFL protocol is pretty much that they have to sit out the next week, and sometimes two weeks, so basically those players don't play for anywhere from 2 to 3 weeks, so I could see the NBA being the same. Perhaps if it was a concussion, that it happened prior to him feeling not so well in that game, and he was dizzy or something and injured his elbow, and when they got him back to the locker room, they realized it was an earlier concussion.
Now that makes a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense is that they said is wasn't a concussion, or at least TJ did, so I don't know if the team officially said that and maybe TJ misunderstood. At the same time, if it WAS a concussion, I don't see why they would want to say it wasn't unless it's from something extremely embarrassing to him that happened at home, like falling in the bathroom and bumping his head or something. Who knows?
I'm not one to speculate but I sense that this was a McD move. Why risk a potential major trade from happening by playing Warren? It would be stupid and reckless to play him when a star player is on the table.
There is no doubt that Warren is the centerpiece right now. Sky is the limit for his potential and I really hope that he stays on this team. Warren is playing better than Booker at the moment.
bwgood77 wrote:GoranTragic wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
Plus, the way he came out in the middle of a game doesn't make sense that it's for trade purposes. I am afraid it's more serious than we are led to believe though. I mean everything makes it SEEM like it's a concussion, where the NFL protocol is pretty much that they have to sit out the next week, and sometimes two weeks, so basically those players don't play for anywhere from 2 to 3 weeks, so I could see the NBA being the same. Perhaps if it was a concussion, that it happened prior to him feeling not so well in that game, and he was dizzy or something and injured his elbow, and when they got him back to the locker room, they realized it was an earlier concussion.
Now that makes a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense is that they said is wasn't a concussion, or at least TJ did, so I don't know if the team officially said that and maybe TJ misunderstood. At the same time, if it WAS a concussion, I don't see why they would want to say it wasn't unless it's from something extremely embarrassing to him that happened at home, like falling in the bathroom and bumping his head or something. Who knows?
I'm not one to speculate but I sense that this was a McD move. Why risk a potential major trade from happening by playing Warren? It would be stupid and reckless to play him when a star player is on the table.
There is no doubt that Warren is the centerpiece right now. Sky is the limit for his potential and I really hope that he stays on this team. Warren is playing better than Booker at the moment.
The only reason to hold him out for a trade would be because someone has already agreed to it and someone involved in the trade isn't eligible to trade until December 15th. I doubt anything has been agreed to, because more offers will be set forward December 15th, 1/15 and near the trade deadline. If it was agreed to, then you'd have to assume others were involved and why is no one else sitting out?
So that whole trade thing doesn't make much sense...I've never seen someone sit out that long for a trade. Here is a list of players that become eligible on 12/15 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyMBXGMUkAIwZW2.jpg:large
GoranTragic wrote:bwgood77 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:So either TJ has a minor injury and we're being ultra cautionary with him for a trade or he has a more serious injury than fans are told about. I'm not ruling out the 1st option but it just feels too odd to me.
It's not usual for a star player to be held out for so long for trade purposes.
Plus, the way he came out in the middle of a game doesn't make sense that it's for trade purposes. I am afraid it's more serious than we are led to believe though. I mean everything makes it SEEM like it's a concussion, where the NFL protocol is pretty much that they have to sit out the next week, and sometimes two weeks, so basically those players don't play for anywhere from 2 to 3 weeks, so I could see the NBA being the same. Perhaps if it was a concussion, that it happened prior to him feeling not so well in that game, and he was dizzy or something and injured his elbow, and when they got him back to the locker room, they realized it was an earlier concussion.
Now that makes a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense is that they said is wasn't a concussion, or at least TJ did, so I don't know if the team officially said that and maybe TJ misunderstood. At the same time, if it WAS a concussion, I don't see why they would want to say it wasn't unless it's from something extremely embarrassing to him that happened at home, like falling in the bathroom and bumping his head or something. Who knows?
I'm not one to speculate but I sense that this was a McD move. Why risk a potential major trade from happening by playing Warren? It would be stupid and reckless to play him when a star player is on the table.
There is no doubt that Warren is the centerpiece right now. Sky is the limit for his potential and I really hope that he stays on this team. Warren is playing better than Booker at the moment.
lilfishi22 wrote:GoranTragic wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
Plus, the way he came out in the middle of a game doesn't make sense that it's for trade purposes. I am afraid it's more serious than we are led to believe though. I mean everything makes it SEEM like it's a concussion, where the NFL protocol is pretty much that they have to sit out the next week, and sometimes two weeks, so basically those players don't play for anywhere from 2 to 3 weeks, so I could see the NBA being the same. Perhaps if it was a concussion, that it happened prior to him feeling not so well in that game, and he was dizzy or something and injured his elbow, and when they got him back to the locker room, they realized it was an earlier concussion.
Now that makes a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense is that they said is wasn't a concussion, or at least TJ did, so I don't know if the team officially said that and maybe TJ misunderstood. At the same time, if it WAS a concussion, I don't see why they would want to say it wasn't unless it's from something extremely embarrassing to him that happened at home, like falling in the bathroom and bumping his head or something. Who knows?
I'm not one to speculate but I sense that this was a McD move. Why risk a potential major trade from happening by playing Warren? It would be stupid and reckless to play him when a star player is on the table.
There is no doubt that Warren is the centerpiece right now. Sky is the limit for his potential and I really hope that he stays on this team. Warren is playing better than Booker at the moment.
I get that. But even star players aren't normally held out for weeks and weeks, especially if they have been productive. Players are usually only sat a game or two leading up to a imminent trade.