Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[GoblinytE]

Ok. Thanks.....I was like "WTF"! when I heard the report he ate dinner with them. I want Bled to stay...I like the street cred he brings, im not calling him a gangsta but you guys know what I mean. It gives me ease when we play against the Wall-Paul-Lillard-Irving-Williams type of point guards that in the past Nash couldnt hang with defensively. Goran-Bled-Tucker-Plumlee-Morris 2squad IT-Green-Morris-Goodwin-Warren-Tolliver-Len-Ennis-Randolph ...and we're pursuing Zoran... thats 15 if im not forgetting anybody...Ennis-Shavlik-Len IR.?

[carey]

What do you think Bledsoe would do if the Suns raised their offer to 4yrs and $64M?

That's a max deal without the 5th year. I'm sure he'd take it, but the Suns aren't going from 4/48 to 4/64. That'd be ridiculous.

[Jarlaxle0204]

I remember the uproar about the new suns jerseys and look...we shocked the nba and i never heard a peep, not on this board or social media.

I still don't like the look.

[NavLDO]

Seriously, let him take the QO, and play him 'til his 'wheels fall off'. Play him 40+ minutes a game. Let's face it, he's more likely to injure himself than play the full season healthy, right? Yeah, that's rather 'petty' by the Suns, but while he's healthy, we get a stud PG for as long as he plays well, and he WILL play well, because he has to in order to get that monster contract he's looking for.

[dgwdum]

I wonder if the perspective of our front office isn't: OK, if Eric takes the QO, we retain a potentially valuable trade asset. If he takes $12 million, he's a valuable trade asset. If he takes more than that - $15 or $16 million, he might not be very movable. If he suffers further injury, he could be dead weight. So, offer $12. Either way, we possess a valuable asset. And with Isaiah and Tyler ready to take Eric's PT, we're not at a loss for talent to develop.

Let the chips fall where they may!!!

I think this is why bledsoe might not want to play here. He probably thinks the way you do, that the FO only sees him as a tradeable asset and not as part of the future.

[carey]

Here's the only theory I can make sense of given the evidence:

He doesn't love playing with the Suns, but he would deal with it for a max offer. Since they won't offer max, his plan is to sign the QO and play somewhere else next season. But he doesn't want to make that known, since it would make for a very awkward season with his Suns teammates and the fans. So Rich Paul has tried to find a way to paint the Suns as the bad guys. This would allow Bledsoe to sign the QO without looking like the bad guy, and then he can put on a happy face and make it through the season before bolting.

This is my read on the situation as well.

[RunDogGun]

Seriously, let him take the QO, and play him 'til his 'wheels fall off'. Play him 40+ minutes a game. Let's face it, he's more likely to injure himself than play the full season healthy, right? Yeah, that's rather 'petty' by the Suns, but while he's healthy, we get a stud PG for as long as he plays well, and he WILL play well, because he has to in order to get that monster contract he's looking for.

You can't play him 40 mins a game, he will be gassed, and fairly useless at the end of games if he played so many games that way. Moreover, if he signed the QO, he more than likely won't be in our future, while IT will (since we signed him). I would bring Bledsoe off the bench if he signed the QO, and still give him decent minutes, but less than both Goran and IT.

If he signs the QO, we are the only team that will have his bird rights.

[bwgood77]

Thanks for the explanation. Clears up a lot. I have a feeling some type of trade is going to come out of the blue. Typical Ryan Mcd fashion.

Deuce- I do not see a trade of Bledsoe. For better or worse I think he is a Sun next season. It is up to him if he is going to play for a little or a lot of $$.

What do you think Bledsoe would do if the Suns raised their offer to 4yrs and $64M? Would he sign or would he take to QO? If he took the QO under those circumstances, he and his agent would vilified throughout the NBA community as having an alternate agenda.

You could offer it tomorrow and tell Paul, this is all the money that will be available from the Suns and it is good for 48hrs. Then start to take some off the table every 24 hrs after the deadline. If he does not sign within 48 hrs you'll know that he has an agenda to leave, or that Paul and LeBron are using his little brother simply to make a point.

I think he would definitely take that. Maybe not right now, and I wouldn't offer that right now, but Sept 30th he'd take that. I wouldn't start there though. Go up to 4/52 and then if we want to settle that high, go up there. But that isn't much different than 5/80...just a year less, so if we are going to give him 16 a year, why not lock him up for longer unless we are really worried about injuries, but in that case, why give him 16 a year in the first place?

I'd have to ponder going up that high. On one hand, it is very tough to find quality players in free agency, and 16 may be the going rate in two years for quality pgs with PERs above 20 especially if they play D anyway, and on the other hand, you have to weigh what kind of risk he has with injury and what kind of flexibility you want going forward.

[Fo-Real]

If he signs the q.o. I dont think we should feature him. I guess he would still be the starter, but I would give Thomas and Green more time on the court than him in the interest of building chemistry. Would even instead of inserting him back into games late in the second quarter of games that we are leading anyway, I would earmark that time for Archie to get some positive minutes. I would surely not feature him. I would wrap our guard driven system around Dragic, Green and Thomas.

[bwgood77]

My strong belief is still that on or around Sept 30th, we meet with Bledsoe or even just talk to his agent on the phone and hammer out a deal, and I think we arrive at about 4/56. 14 a year is meeting in the middle. We are at 12 now, and they want one averaging a 16.8. Or I guess an avg of 14.4 is right in the middle so maybe we agree on 4/58.

And before anyone says they should do a 4/58 front loaded contract, you can't do much of one if you get that high, because the highest he could start is 14.7. I mean I guess with a max increase and decrease of 7.5% you could do something like 14.7, 15.8, 14.7, 13.6. That is 58.8 and I guess a little front loaded.

My other question is this. If he does sign the QO, who would you trade him for that you think another team would accept?

I'm sure he'd approve a trade to the Cavs, but would you want to take back Waiters? Does he really fit in? Or maybe just as an asset?

Millsap?

Stauskas? This might make the most sense if we like him. And I think he'd approve it.

I don't think LAL would give up Randle, not when they could sign him the following summer and keep Randle. I don't think he'd approve a trade to the Bucks either.

[Fo-Real]

If Gerald goes and improves on the things he said he wanted to work on in the offseason (ball handling, dicision making etc...) we are gonna see a huge year form him.

[Fo-Real]

My strong belief is still that on or around Sept 30th, we meet with Bledsoe or even just talk to his agent on the phone and hammer out a deal, and I think we arrive at about 4/56. 14 a year is meeting in the middle. We are at 12 now, and they want one averaging a 16.8. Or I guess an avg of 14.4 is right in the middle so maybe we agree on 4/58.

And before anyone says they should do a 4/58 front loaded contract, you can't do much of one if you get that high, because the highest he could start is 14.7. I mean I guess with a max increase and decrease of 7.5% you could do something like 14.7, 15.8, 14.7, 13.6. That is 58.8 and I guess a little front loaded.

My other question is this. If he does sign the QO, who would you trade him for that you think another team would accept?

I'm sure he'd approve a trade to the Cavs, but would you want to take back Waiters? Does he really fit in? Or maybe just as an asset?

Millsap?

Stauskas? This might make the most sense if we like him. And I think he'd approve it.

I don't think LAL would give up Randle, not when they could sign him the following summer and keep Randle. I don't think he'd approve a trade to the Bucks either.

I would go 13.5 maybe 14 to start and slightly increasong as the years do. year one=13.5... year 2=14.2... with bonuses for performance and games played.

[jcsunsfan]

I am frustrated that this situation is not resolved, but I am working very hard to completely discount in my mind anything that Steve Kyler says. He is not a credible source.

[RunDogGun]

If Gerald goes and improves on the things he said he wanted to work on in the offseason (ball handling, dicision making etc...) we are gonna see a huge year form him.

I really think the only thing that hinders Green is overall basketball IQ, and little lack of fundamentals. Now it's possible to improve on those things, but very difficult in one offseason.

But I would love to see it happen.

[RunDogGun]

As for Bledsoe, the offer is what it is, and his side has yet to come to any table. There is absolutely no need to up the offer at this point.

[Fo-Real]

If Gerald goes and improves on the things he said he wanted to work on in the offseason (ball handling, dicision making etc...) we are gonna see a huge year form him.

I really think the only thing that hinders Green is overall basketball IQ, and little lack of fundamentals. Now it's possible to improve on those things, but very difficult in one offseason.

But I would love to see it happen.

Well, he improved it through coaching this year, Jeff put him in situations to succeed and kept him away from the b.s. Another way to improve it is something he has not been able to do in his whole career, and that is playing a huge role while playing lots of minutes, while being relied apon to use the actual skills he has, while building chemistry with his team, and finally and most important.... having an offseason to work on bring back only what helped to a group he is familiar with.

Green played a lot of minutes and seemed to love the fact that he fit in an ofense, while being what was one of our vet leaders. He can improve his basketball I.Q. atleast through muscle memory. He will hopefully be better at all he was weak at, while being a better teammate, understanding the ofense better and what the coach wants, and knowing his team around him better and them knowing him better. Even if he isnt actually smarter, repition and familiarity makes it look like he is I think.

[Saberestar]

Time is getting short for negotiation. It seems like the QO becomes a more likely scenario by the day.

Paul Coro

[Jdiddy701]

Gerald Green back in Phoenix working out


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[jcsunsfan]

I don't want him on the team under the QO.

[Nando88]

Zoran to phoenix!
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