Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

Post #421 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:56 pm

Unfortunately, yes.

LukasBMW · Post #422 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:53 am

Well, it looks like we get #13 unless we really really luck out in the lottery.

We should take the best player available. Even if it's a point guard. LOL. I'm not in love with Bledsoe or Knight.

After we resign Knight, we can move him or Bledsoe as long (as they both perform) if we feel our rookie PG has a better future.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #423 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:26 am

Do you necessarily want to pick the best player?

The ceiling for 13th/14th picks is John Henson, Markieff Morris over the last 10 years. So if you won a lottery that was 1 in 10, your reward is those guys, that's so pointless to me, you can find better players through FA.

Trade up or trade down, or go for for broke with a high risk-reward guy. Rudy Golbert went 27, yet everyone knew his reward was higher than most other players outside the top 10.

Every bit of currency we use should be to buy a ticket to the next great NBA player. 23 of the last championships have been based on 7 draft picks who went on to be in the top 30 GOAT - Jordan, Olajuwon, Wade, Duncan, Bryant, Nowitzki, James.

NavLDO · Post #424 » by **NavLDO** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:32 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Do you necessarily want to pick the best player?

The ceiling for 13th/14th picks is John Henson, Markieff Morris over the last 10 years. So if you won a lottery that was 1 in 10, your reward is those guys, that's so pointless to me, you can find better players through FA.

Trade up or trade down, or go for for broke with a high risk-reward guy. Rudy Golbert went 27, yet everyone knew his reward was higher than most other players outside the top 10.

Every bit of currency we use should be to buy a ticket to the next great NBA player. 23 of the last championships have been based on 7 draft picks who went on to be in the top 30 GOAT - Jordan, Olajuwon, Wade, Duncan, Bryant, Nowitzki, James.

Wait. What???? Just because the teams picking 13th/14th weren't 'smart' or 'lucky' enough to choose players that went a pick or two after that turned out pretty darn good, doesn't mean having the 13th pick this year is worth less than what we can get in FA.

2011--15th--Kawhi Leonard
2013--15th--Giannis; 13th Olynyk
2010--15th--Larry Sanders
2008--17th--Hibbert
2005--18th--Granger

Yep, those were terrible players--not to mention that Warren is already looking pretty darn good, and to me, looks like he'll surpass the Morri in talent level.

And your comment on Gobert is exactly what we did with Goodwin, so it's not like McD hasn't done that. Goodwin was 'mocked' the week or two earlier, primarily in the 2nd Rd. Goodwin was the epitome of a boom/bust type pick, and McD took that chance, and he is looking like he'll be every bit worthy of his selection at 29. Will he be as good as Gobert, who was selected 3 picks earlier? Too early to tell, but likely not; but that would be very hard to do, considering Gobert has out performed the #5 and #6 overall picks that same year, Len and Noel.

Post #425 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:02 pm

Hey, my first try this morning on the ESPN mock lotto draft after the order is set.

2.
Jahlil Okafor
Height: 6-11 | Weight: 275 | Freshman
Duke | Center
Phoenix Suns
Already a polished low-post scorer at 19 years old, Okafor has a vast array of moves to go along with his size, soft hands, excellent footwork and high basketball IQ. The only real knock against him is that he's not an elite athlete. He can struggle to move well laterally and is only an adequate rim protector.

Flying Colors · Post #426 » by **Flying Colors** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:07 pm

I wonder if Okafor or Towns could play PF, That is assuming if the holy basketball gods finally throw us a bone to ease our suffering

Post #427 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:26 pm

Flying Colors wrote:I wonder if Okafor or Towns could play PF, That is assuming if the holy basketball gods finally throw us a bone to ease our suffering

I guess it depends on if you want one with shooting range. I think Towns has more range. Okafor I'm pretty sure doesn't have it.

I wonder if we somehow won the 3rd pick, and they were both gone who we would take. I think I'd probably want to go with Porzingis, but I guess it depends on how vested McD is with our current guards. Ford says there are a couple of GMs that have Porzingis at 3rd on their board behind only Towns and Mudiay.

I have a feeling McD would take Porzingis, though we do know he loves guards, so who knows?

jcsunsfan · Post #428 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:08 pm

Flying Colors wrote:I wonder if Okafor or Towns could play PF, That is assuming if the holy basketball gods finally throw us a bone to ease our suffering

There is much more chance of Philly getting the 6th pick. On one hand, I would hate that. On the other hand, better Philly picking 6 than the Lakers picking 5. In the end, its probably better for the Suns if Philly gets the pick. I assume that the Lakers will sign some decent free agents this summer and be better next year. It would limit their long term rebuilding.

Jarlaxle0204 · Post #429 » by **Jarlaxle0204** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:24 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
Flying Colors wrote:I wonder if Okafor or Towns could play PF, That is assuming if the holy basketball gods finally throw us a bone to ease our suffering

There is much more chance of Philly getting the 6th pick. On one hand, I would hate that. On the other hand, better Philly picking 6 than the Lakers picking 5. In the end, its probably better for the Suns if Philly gets the pick. I assume that the Lakers will sign some decent free agents this summer and be better next year. It would limit their long term rebuilding.

That's kind of what I was saying a month ago. The trade is over. It's done. No use in what if's. As it stands, it's either the Lakers pick or Philly's pick. It no longer has anything to do with us and 100 times out of 100, I'd rather the Lakers get screwed over.

Post #430 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:31 pm

Jarlaxle0204 wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
Flying Colors wrote:I wonder if Okafor or Towns could play PF, That is assuming if the holy basketball gods finally throw us a bone to ease our suffering

There is much more chance of Philly getting the 6th pick. On one hand, I would hate that. On the other hand, better Philly picking 6 than the Lakers picking 5. In the end, its probably better for the Suns if Philly gets the pick. I assume that the Lakers will sign some decent free agents this summer and be better next year. It would limit their long term rebuilding.

That's kind of what I was saying a month ago. The trade is over. It's done. No use in what if's. As it stands, it's either the Lakers pick or Philly's pick. It no longer has anything to do with us and 100 times out of 100, I'd rather the Lakers get screwed over.

Well, best case scenario is they keep their pick and make a bust pick. But even if they keep it, there is a high possibility they lose a very high pick next year or the following year. They are not going to get much better any time soon. I know some think they will sign a bunch of stud free agents, but I don't see it. I can't see a team in the west they should be better than next year (or even in the near future) regardless of if they keep their pick or sign a decent free agent or two.

The point is, they are losing their pick at some point anyway, and it's likely to be a good one.

Flying Colors · Post #431 » by **Flying Colors** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:50 pm

to be honest, it really sucks to to have to choose between lakers keeping the pick for us to save face or lakers losing the pick, and getting no gain from their historically awful season

LukasBMW · Post #432 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:16 pm

If the 76ers get a bit of luck, they could wind up with 3 lottery picks.

If the Suns, Jazz, or OKC moves up, it could give the 76ers:

Their own top 5 pick
#6 via the Lakers
#11 via the Heat.

:lol:

LukasBMW · Post #433 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:19 pm

Frank Kaminsky may be a good target for us. He looks goofy as hell and people say he isn't athletic, but he has great hands and he can finish and shoot the long ball. They say Okafor isn't an elite athlete either and I'd agree.

Dirk 2.0?

Post #434 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:51 pm

LukasBMW wrote:If the 76ers get a bit of luck, they could wind up with 3 lottery picks.

If the Suns, Jazz, or OKC moves up, it could give the 76ers:

Their own top 5 pick
#6 via the Lakers
#11 via the Heat.

Though they would need another team to leapfrog the Lakers as well as one of those three, because the Lakers have to drop two spots.

Post #435 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:54 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Frank Kaminsky may be a good target for us. He looks goofy as hell and people say he isn't athletic, but he has great hands and he can finish and shoot the long ball. They say Okafor isn't an elite athlete either and I'd agree.

Dirk 2.0?

Well he looked like Dirk in last year's tourney against AZ, but the biggest question with him is how much upside does he have left in relation to a freshman like Looney, Turner or a soph like Portis? He is the most ready now, but those guys are much better than he was as a freshman or sophomore.

RaisingArizona · Post #436 » by **RaisingArizona** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:19 am

LukasBMW wrote:Frank Kaminsky may be a good target for us. He looks goofy as hell and people say he isn't athletic, but he has great hands and he can finish and shoot the long ball. They say Okafor isn't an elite athlete either and I'd agree.

Dirk 2.0?

I'd be very happy with him this draft. Of course, whatever McD thinks is fine with me. His track record in drafts has been solid.

DirtyDez · Post #437 » by **DirtyDez** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:03 am

LukasBMW wrote:Frank Kaminsky may be a good target for us. He looks goofy as hell and people say he isn't athletic, but he has great hands and he can finish and shoot the long ball. They say Okafor isn't an elite athlete either and I'd agree.

Dirk 2.0?

Dead mans/homeless man version of Dirk maybe. :lol:

JMac1 · Post #438 » by **JMac1** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:12 am

LukasBMW wrote:Frank Kaminsky may be a good target for us. He looks goofy as hell and people say he isn't athletic, but he has great hands and he can finish and shoot the long ball. They say Okafor isn't an elite athlete either and I'd agree.

Dirk 2.0?

Everyone on this board already knows that's my N!gg@

kennydorglas · Post #439 » by **kennydorglas** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:18 am

I'm more than fine with Myles at #13
If he isnt there, i'd trade down to snag Cliff in the 20s (he's massively underrated right now)

They'd be a really good value pick for us

Mulhollanddrive · Post #440 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:58 am

Out of the tiers, these would be my picks, I'd trade up to do any of these:

Dangelo Russell (out of the elite)
Kristaps Porzingis (rest of the lottery)
Christian Wood (mid 1st)

I think all 3 have very high potential, albeit the lower down you go the higher boom-bust risk.

Last year my picks were:
Embiid + Exum (out of the elite)
Vonleh (rest of the lottery)

Off to a slow start, but still think they all have star potential.

Which three guys would you most like to draft if they are there at 13?