Game 60: San Antonio Spurs (34-23) @ Phoenix Suns (31-28)

[Revived]

Foot with the problem, Foot with the solution. It is a plastic environment, paralleling our plastic owner.


And yes RDog, I know McDuh is responsible for gathering the youngsters... basically I consider them to be Len, Goodwin, and Warren. But what he has created does not function well together as a whole. And his recent mad scramble to correct prior mistakes reeked of desperation.

Face it.... it is not a likable team. Horneck may have lost the locker room... but this FO/Owner has lost the town. These are immature party boy prima donnas. WTF was that flyer about Bledsoe 'hosting' a party? Is that a photo shopped joke or for real ? MiniBron trying to live up to his daddy? On a school night? Jeez... Could it be a coincidence that this team was so F-n lackluster 5 girls scouts could have outscored them last night? Just another 'D' for citizenship. You have all off season to party. (please, someone play the race card on this one too )


And one other thing.... Hornecek's 'awe shucks' post game presser about made me put a brick into the TV. No anger, no fire, a 'well, at least we picked a game where everyone played bad' response... ? we got this one out of the way ??/ He is as bad as RDog pointing out the 'good things' to take from this 48 minute lobotomy. This is a play off push game remember? This was the worst half of Suns basketball ever witnessed and he was on the front row., orchestrating it??? How could he not be pissed and embarrassed. How could he just shoulder-shrug it with a sh** eating things happen grin ????

Dark times when the only thing you look forward to is getting rid of players/coaches/front offices/owners...

It's sucks there is absolutely nothing positive about this organization. From top to bottom.

Your right on everything. Sarver has turned off so many fans here. If I was sarver is would go to colangelo on my hands and knees and beg him to take control of this organization. Just give him full control. Get this team back to respectibility.

At the end of the day, this.

I know I said that winning is what matters but for a second here, lets pretend like winning DOESN'T matter.

Lets look a team like Minnesota. I've watched a handful of their games this season (because I love their young squad) and they absolutely suck...yet their fans do a lot of cheering and come to games. Not that much but their home court sounds a lot louder than ours.Why?

Because they are excited about Andrew Wiggins. Their excited for his potential. Their excited about Rubio. Their excited about Dieng. Their excited about Lavine. Their excited about Mohammad. Their excited about Bennett. Now their excited about Mr. Kevin Garnett returning home.

Other than Len, what do Suns fans have to be excited about among players that get playing time? Tucker? Bledsoe? Morris twins? Green? LMAO.

The only other player on the team that fans felt a connection to due to him having strong longevity to be a Sun, being a fan favorite and being here last time we were any good was traded away after he became disgruntled with this franchise.

If the Suns played Goodwin, Warren and Bullock more like other non playoff teams play their rookies & sophomores, I bet there would be more people cheering and at least more people interested in the game.

Right now, Suns are stuck in no man's land. Their not developing the youth and they don't have good enough veterans to actually make playoffs. Mediocrity.

Look what KG is doing for Minnesota, you won't see a current Suns player doing anything like this ever

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/garnett-bu ... --nba.html

[Revived]

Oh yea by the way anyone care to guess the Suns record over their past 15 games? 3-12

Suns had a 3-12 record for the month of February. And yet apparently the fans need to show up support this BS show.

[enigmatics]

The loud, banging drums of REALITY sounded last night. Was inevitable and hopefully it sobered up some of the pseudo-shills.

The IQ test failure from Markieff Morris after the game was priceless. This team has no likeable parts anymore. God it went down the tubes fast.

[carey]

At the end of the day, this.

Big surprise you think this. All you do is bitch on here. NON. STOP.

[phrazbit]

Nothing positive about this organization from top to bottom?

What a bunch of **** bull ****.

One of the youngest teams in the league, with a lot of cap space to work with, a good among of future picks AND a winning record. Yet some buffoons act as though they're a disgrace.

Utterly hilarious to see the Timberwolves, a club that is among the worst in league history and currently mired in another terrible season, touted as the "model franchise" to compare us to. Absolutely idiotic nonsense from the boards resident moron.

[Revived]

At the end of the day, this.

Big surprise you think this. All you do is bitch on here. NON. STOP.

I always forget because there is so much to celebrate about in this season...

[enigmatics]

Nothing positive about this organization from top to bottom?

What a bunch of **** bull ****.

One of the youngest teams in the league, with a lot of cap space to work with, a good among of future picks AND a winning record. Yet some buffoons act as though they're a disgrace.

Utterly hilarious to see the Timberwolves, a club that is among the worst in league history and currently mired in another terrible season, touted as the "model franchise" to compare us to. Absolutely idiotic nonsense from the boards resident moron.

I bet you can't contain your excitement for that 1st round pick in 2021.

[phrazbit]

I bet you can't contain your excitement for that 1st round pick in 2021.

Its not blowing my hair back but its one of many reason to not think its the apocalypse.

Any effort to claim we're currently among most dismal franchises in the league is a serious disconnect from reality and reflects either being laughably unrealistic in the expectation of success... especially compared to where we were only 18 months ago OR it reflects the idiotic mentality that a garbage franchise like the Wolves is one to look up to, who's only bright spot came as a result of them losing their superstar following years upon years of legit suck. Said bright spot will undoubtedly eventually cut and run too as that team flounders in its own stupidity.

[Revived]

Lmao Minnesota is touted by just about anyone and everyone as having the brightest future among all non playoff teams in the NBA! Andrew Wiggins will be ten times better than any Suns player will be, as a matter of fact he probably is already better than any Suns player currently is and he's barely a rookie.

Sure Minnesota has a terrible history but who the hell cares? Lakers have a rich history, does that matter right now? No. Will anyone with knowledge of the game actually pick the Lakers roster over the TWolves roster? Hell no.

Minnesota seems to have righted the ship after getting rid of David Kahn and unless your an absolute homer, if you ask any NBA fan on the general board which team is MORE ENTERTAINING and fun to watch between the Suns and TWolves, a vast majority will pick the TWolves every time.

As a matter of fact, here it is, non homer Suns fans who picked which team has the brightest future

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1373953#start_here

[enigmatics]

Its not blowing my hair back but its one of many reason to not think its the apocalypse.

Any effort to claim we're currently among most dismal franchises in the league is a serious disconnect from reality and reflects either being laughably unrealistic in the expectation of success... especially compared to where we were only 18 months ago OR it reflects the idiotic mentality that a garbage franchise like the Wolves is one to look up to, who's only bright spot came as a result of them losing their superstar following years upon years of legit suck. Said bright spot will undoubtedly eventually cut and run too as that team flounders in its own stupidity.

Apocolypse ashmocolypse. Point is the trajectory has suddenly taken a turn for the worst ...... and it could've been prevented but the true colors of our GM has boiled to the surface. He screwed with what was working for the sake of running an asset collection business in hopes of one day landing the big name.

Sometimes people don't appreciate what is right in front of them and that explains McDildo. RIP 2013-2014 Suns, you are but a distant memory now .....

[phrazbit]

Lmao Minnesota is touted by just about anyone and everyone as having the brightest future among all non playoff teams in the NBA! Andrew Wiggins will be ten times better than any Suns player will be, as a matter of fact he probably is already better than any Suns player currently is and he's barely a rookie.

Sure Minnesota has a terrible history but who the hell cares? Lakers have a rich history, does that matter right now? No. Will anyone with knowledge of the game actually pick the Lakers roster over the TWolves roster? Hell no.

Minnesota seems to have righted the ship after getting rid of David Kahn and unless your an absolute homer, if you ask any NBA fan on the general board which team is MORE ENTERTAINING and fun to watch between the Suns and TWolves, a vast majority will pick the TWolves every time.

As a matter of fact, here it is, non homer Suns fans who picked which team has the brightest future

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1373953#start_here

lol, a poll on the general board, what grand evidence of Minnesota's status as a model franchise! Furthermore, that poll lists the Suns as having one of the brightest futures in the league too, entirely defeating your own idiotic argument.

The Wolves are a dog crap team with one promising player they stumbled into as a result of their own stupidity. And I cannot imagine how ballistic you'd go if the Suns, in the middle of a cellar dwelling campaign, traded for some player with one foot in the grave AND gave him a contract extension all in a blatant attempt to drum up some excitement from the morbid fan base.

[RunDogGun]

Church Praz! On the same page yet again.

[phrazbit]

Minnesota ranks dead last in attendance.

Their fan base is fired up!!!

[BVPN]

Yep, things haven't been great recently, but to claim that we have nothing going for us is silly. We are a 0.500 team when we were predicted to be nothing 18 months ago. McD inherited a 25 win team that had nothing going for it, a bunch of dumb players, and players that were happy to leave (like Gortat). A couple of remnants from those days are still around and being dumb (Morrii) but we have definitely been on an upward trajectory overall since then.

I miss Dragic as much as anyone, but maxing him out this summer would have been a horrible mistake. Does that mean McD has made no errors? No, he has, he should have dealt with Dragic last offseason, probably shouldn't have signed IT. I'd say his error was getting attached to last year's team, which if we are all being honest, was never supposed to be as good as it was. He forgot the long term plan for a moment and it cost us some assets. I'd say that's also the reason we aren't seeing the rookies/Archie play as much, the team is still trying to be as good as last year. I think once playoffs become out of reach, the FO will accept that and go back to the initial plan from summer 2013 - a long rebuild.

I still trust McDonough though. He's been good for us, better than the Babby/Blanks debacle for sure. He's been willing to admit his mistakes and clear out his own signings (2 players traded the same season they were signed, you don't see that often in the NBA). I know it's tough not to see Archie and Warren get more play time, but I'm sure McD and Hornacek will give them minutes once we aren't under as much pressure to make playoffs. They're the ones who believed in them in the first place. McD drafted Len at 5 when most ppl here (including me) thought it was a reach and were pissed about Noel or Mclemore or whoever. He drafted Goodwin at 29 (even moving up a pick) when most ppl didn't even know who he was. He drafted TJ Warren last year when a lot of draft projections thought he was pretty "meh" and not many predicted him to the Suns. I'm not really sure why so many think they like those players more than he does. He staked his job on them. I assure you, he wants them to play.

Hornacek does too I'd bet, but he is in a tough position. We hang around RealGM all the time and think that what we talk about here is conventional wisdom, but it's not. Most Suns fans want us to push for the playoffs (read the Suns FB page). They love G. Green and want him to play even more minutes. They don't necessarily think about the long-term because they don't spend hours reading about basketball every day like RealGMers. They just want to turn on the TV and see a good team. I think Sarver wants to compromise and give those people a decent team that can make the playoffs, while building for the future. That's why once it becomes obvious the playoff thing is out, and people finally accept we are rebuilding, I think we will see the young guys play. Tough in the meantime I know, but certainly not the end of the world. We still got a lot to look forward to.

[Frank Lee]

Nothing positive about this organization from top to bottom?

What a bunch of **** bull ****.

One of the youngest teams in the league, with a lot of cap space to work with, a good among of future picks AND a winning record. Yet some buffoons act as though they're a disgrace.

Utterly hilarious to see the Timberwolves, a club that is among the worst in league history and currently mired in another terrible season, touted as the "model franchise" to compare us to. Absolutely idiotic nonsense from the boards resident moron.

Being among the youngest teams does not guarantee anything. We have one very good prospect on a rookie deal.... thats it. The others are unproven.... by choice of the FO/coaches. We have Bledsoe locked in on a reasonable deal, and we all would like to think he is going to be a stud... then we have the MoBros who were reportedly on the blocks. Thats about it. Knight ? meh... third team already... a tweener combo G and enough of a may-be to wonder if the price given was too high. He will also be looking to cash in.

The benefit of cap space is severely diminished by the negative perception/image of our FO. That has also been reported and could be a significant obstacle in the off season when several teams have money to spend. Is this 'idiotic nonsense' ? I guess it will help out with trades, but you will have to give up talent to get it.

Draft picks ? yay, we got some more, but gave up a potential top one. I'd almost bet we never see them as it seems to be this FO's MO to peddle and meddle. It will take draft picks coupled with some of our talent to land the 'star' player McDuh covets.

As for the winning record... the month of Feb was brutal as we squared off with many of the West teams. Reality check. We are quickly settling into a .500 squad at best.

Toss in this confusing system, a coach who seems to be struggling, and realistically a dysfunctional atmosphere and all is not that rosy.

May be I am wrong, but what I have seen over the past 2-3 months is very concerning.

[JTrain]

Youth doesn't do much for me. It's a great cherry on top if your guys look like star players and you feel like you're on the verge of something great, but that's about it. Len, Archie and TJ have at least the potential to be stars, but outside of Len I don't think it's probable. Keef, Bled and even Knight, while they may be young in some sense, are pretty much old enough for us to know what we have in them. Look at the stars of the league currently 27 or older. How many of them were only good players at 23? How about 25? Not many.

Draft picks also don't do much for me. Outside the top two or three picks, they're a total crapshoot—and ours are highly unlikely to be that high or even close to it.

If there is a master plan from McD or Horny, I don't see it. Outside of miraculously pulling Kevin Love or LMA in the off-season, I don't see a clear path for us to a top four seed, second round playoff team in the next 3-4 years.

[Revived]

Being among the youngest teams does not guarantee anything. We have one very good prospect on a rookie deal.... thats it. The others are unproven.... by choice of the FO/coaches. We have Bledsoe locked in on a reasonable deal, and we all would like to think he is going to be a stud... then we have the MoBros who were reportedly on the blocks. Thats about it. Knight ? meh... third team already... a tweener combo G and enough of a may-be to wonder if the price given was too high. He will also be looking to cash in.

The benefit of cap space is severely diminished by the negative perception/image of our FO. That has also been reported and could be a significant obstacle in the off season when several teams have money to spend. Is this 'idiotic nonsense' ? I guess it will help out with trades, but you will have to give up talent to get it.

Draft picks ? yay, we got some more, but gave up a potential top one. I'd almost bet we never see them as it seems to be this FO's MO to peddle and meddle. It will take draft picks coupled with some of our talent to land the 'star' player McDuh covets.

As for the winning record... the month of Feb was brutal as we squared off with many of the West teams. Reality check. We are quickly settling into a .500 squad at best.

Toss in this confusing system, a coach who seems to be struggling, and realistically a dysfunctional atmosphere and all is not that rosy.

May be I am wrong, but what I have seen over the past 2 months is very concerning.

People keep pouting off this "BUT WE'RE THE YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE" crap as if we have Anthony Davis, Andrew Wiggins, Giannis Adekoumpo, Kyrie Irving, Rudy Gobert, etc all on the team. Like you said, Len is the only prospect in the rotation that actually has strong potential to be a star of any sort. Being the youngest team doesn't mean squat if you don't have good prospects who play. Again, Minnesota actually has guys like Wiggins, Lavine, Mohammad, Dieng etc. Now I know their not all gonna be stars or anything but their all excellent prospects who have the potential for it and they've shown at least flashes of it in the playing time they've got. And Bledsoe will be 26 next season, he's not all that young.

As for the constant "BUT WE HAVE A WINNING TEAM" mantra, we're 31-29. We're barely 2 games over .500 and that's because we took advantage of a super easy schedule to start off the season.

Suns are 3-12 in the month of February.

[Revived]

Youth doesn't do much for me. It's a great cherry on top if your guys look like star players and you feel like you're on the verge of something great, but that's about it. Len, Archie and TJ have at least the potential to be stars, but outside of Len I don't think it's probable. Keef, Bled and even Knight, while they may be young in some sense, are pretty much old enough for us to know what have in them. Look at the stars of the league currently 27 or older. How many of them were only good players at 23? How about 25? Not many.

Draft picks also don't do much for me. Outside the top two or three picks, they're a total crapshoot—and ours are highly unlikely to be that high or even close to it.

If there is a master plan from McD or Horny, I don't see it. Outside of miraculously pulling Kevin Love or LMA in the off-season, I don't see a clear path for us to a top four seed, second round playoff team in the next 3-4 years.

Agreed 100%

[phrazbit]

People keep pouting off this "BUT WE'RE THE YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE" crap as if we have Anthony Davis, Andrew Wiggins, Giannis Adekoumpo, Kyrie Irving, Rudy Gobert, etc all on the team. Like you said, Len is the only prospect in the rotation that actually has strong potential to be a star of any sort. Being the youngest team doesn't mean squat if you don't have good prospects who play. Again, Minnesota actually has guys like Wiggins, Lavine, Mohammad, Dieng etc. Now I know their not all gonna be stars or anything but their all excellent prospects who have the potential for it and they've shown at least flashes of it in the playing time they've got. And Bledsoe will be 26 next season, he's not all that young.

As for the constant "BUT WE HAVE A WINNING TEAM" mantra, we're 31-29. We're barely 2 games over .500 and that's because we took advantage of a super easy schedule to start off the season.

Suns are 3-12 in the month of February.

How can one be "barely" something as specific as 2 games over .500? You are or you aren't. And a few posts back you mentioned Wiggins as "barely" a rookie... how is this possible? Is he perpetually stuck in summer league? Or is it because the Wolves are so pathetic they don't count as a professional team?

No one said we're the "youngest team in the league", no one is saying we have a superstar. Rather its YOU who is making the grand proclamation of "WE HAVE NOTHING TO BE POSITIVE ABOUT", because apparently the "only" way to be positive about a team is to be either contending for a title or to be an absolute dumpster fire. Furthermore it seems Dieng, at age 25, is a young player worth getting hyped about... but Bledsoe, roughly 40 days older? "Not all that young". Its especially wild that despite being 2 years younger than Dieng a guy like Knight is not worth caring about.

It sucks when facts get in the way of a nice uniformed bunch of nonsense. Like when, in an effort to say the Suns have a terrible future, you accidentally linked a poll showing fans consider the Suns to have one of the brightest futures. Or when claiming the Wolves are a super exciting club to any unbiased observer the fact that they're dead last in attendance was ignored.

SF88 now states that youth and picks, those do nothing for him... which is odd, because that only seems to be the case when applied to the Suns. When viewing any other team youth and picks are objects of wonderment and admiration... so long as the team is also terrible.

[RunDogGun]

People keep pouting off this "BUT WE'RE THE YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE" crap as if we have Anthony Davis, Andrew Wiggins, Giannis Adekoumpo, Kyrie Irving, Rudy Gobert, etc all on the team. Like you said, Len is the only prospect in the rotation that actually has strong potential to be a star of any sort. Being the youngest team doesn't mean squat if you don't have good prospects who play. Again, Minnesota actually has guys like Wiggins, Lavine, Mohammad, Dieng etc. Now I know their not all gonna be stars or anything but their all excellent prospects who have the potential for it and they've shown at least flashes of it in the playing time they've got. And Bledsoe will be 26 next season, he's not all that young.

As for the constant "BUT WE HAVE A WINNING TEAM" mantra, we're 31-29. We're barely 2 games over .500 and that's because we took advantage of a super easy schedule to start off the season.

Suns are 3-12 in the month of February.

How can one be "barely" something as specific as 2 games over .500? You are or you aren't. And a few posts back you mentioned Wiggins as "barely" a rookie... how is this possible? Is he perpetually stuck in summer league? Or is it because the Wolves are so pathetic they don't count as a professional team?

No one said we're the "youngest team in the league", no one is saying we have a superstar. Rather its YOU who is making the grand proclamation of "WE HAVE NOTHING TO BE POSITIVE ABOUT", because apparently the "only" way to be positive about a team is to be either contending for a title or to be an absolute dumpster fire. Furthermore it seems Dieng, at age 25, is a young player worth getting hyped about... but Bledsoe, roughly 40 days older? "Not all that young". Its especially wild that despite being 2 years younger than Dieng a guy like Knight is not worth caring about.

It sucks when facts get in the way of a nice uniformed bunch of nonsense. Like when, in an effort to say the Suns have a terrible future, you accidentally linked a poll showing fans consider the Suns to have one of the brightest futures. Or when claiming the Wolves are a super exciting club to any unbiased observer the fact that they're dead last in attendance was ignored.

SF88 now states that youth and picks, those do nothing for him... which is odd, because that only seems to be the case when applied to the Suns. When viewing any other team youth and picks are objects of wonderment and admiration... so long as the team is also terrible.

Too easy to point out the bs, but nice job. Great point about Dieng. I didn't know he was that old.

Living in Minny, I've noticed a greater interest in college sports and hockey. I went to a bar to watch the first Suns/Wolves game this year,and the Gopher's hockey game was on. I seemed to be the only one watching the basketball game. Although, when I went to the game the other night, the crowd seemed super jazzed to have Garnett back, and even though he wasn't scheduled to play until the following Wednesday, the tickets had gone up in price, and was selling like crazy. Maybe their attendance will go up.

But even in their smaller attendance without Granett , a losing record, and when half their team was injured, they still had better audience participation, compared to Suns games with everyone healthy and a winning record.