RunDogGun wrote:letsgosuns wrote:In Steve Nash's second stint with the Suns, he averaged 10.9 assists and 3.5 turnovers per game in 8 seasons. That is a 3.1 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. In Bledsoe's two seasons with the Suns so far, he has averaged 5.9 assists and 3.4 turnovers per game in 2 seasons. That is a 1.7 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. Not good. Him and Nash might average about the same turnovers but Nash doubles him for assists.
But forget about statistics. Anybody watching the Suns the past two years knows that there are many times a game Bledsoe plays out of control. He often seems to lose his concentration and have mental errors where he throws lazy passes, casually dribbles, or goes way too fast. Those are bad turnovers. Being a passing point guard, you will have turnovers, it is inevitable. Especially when you are trying to be creative and taking chances. But losing focus and getting unforced turnovers like Bledsoe does is not what you want from a point guard.
Westbrook's career assist to turnover ratio is 2 to 1. However he is rarely not engaged and seems to never lose focus. He gets turnovers because he is playing at 100 mph, 100% of the time. There are times you could say he appears out of control but he is just so in your face and fast and is doing so much. You can live with his turnovers because he is giving you everything he has. When Bledsoe throws a careless pass that is picked off and he seems disengaged, that is something that is unacceptable from an effort stand point. Once in a while is not terrible, but he does it way too often. I hope he can cut down on those unforced turnovers.
Again, assist to turnover ratio does not apply when we are talking about a single stat called turnovers.
We had some lazy players all around lasted year, where guys didn't come to the pass. Heck I watched Len in bound the ball directly at opposing player.
Westbrook often plays out of control.
So if we are labeling players according to one stat, it is fair to label other players that produce similar numbers in that stat.
Lastly, I never said anything about assists or steals. So if there wants to be a discussion about those, have at it, and I'll chime in if I feel I need/want to. But this was about TURNOVERS, and whether or not Bledsoe produces enough of them to be labeled a machine. Overall, he doesn't produce more than a few points, and very close to other big named points. For example, if we used a ten game average, last season Westbrook would be 44, Wall 38, Bledsoe 34, Rose 32, and Curry 31. Who would be considered a "Turnover machine"? Bledsoe? Why? Just more exaggerations to say bad things about players.
Now I'm not saying that Bledsoe doesn't make lazy passes at times, but so does every point guard. Also when Warren played more minutes, and cut to the basket, Bledsoe made good passes to him in good position to finish. When he passed to an open Morris, both would often take a few dribbles, and take a contested fade away. So the pass itself was fine, but it wouldn't show up as an assist even if those guys made the basket. Hence, the assist to turnover ratio should not even be looked at, when we are only talking about one of those stats.
