Game 11: Chicago Bulls (7-3) @ Phoenix Suns (6-4)

bigfoot · Post #421 » by **bigfoot** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:56 pm

Markieff is killing us with his offense. His ORTG is 86 which is absolutely horrible. It is the worst out of all the players except Weems and Jefferson. What make his offense particularly bad is his volume of shots. He is taking more shots per 36 minutes (19.3) than any other rotation player. That volume with a .366 shooting average is really hurting the team.

cjx · Post #422 » by **cjx** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:07 pm

Trade Markieff for J.J. Hickson, ASAP!

blacksun · Post #423 » by **blacksun** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:13 pm

We should poach one of Chi's PF's they have a lot. Overall good game, cant be too mad at it. Except for the fact that the bulls knocked down a lot of lucky shots and we missed a lot of easy ones. They have our number.

I just hope they play with the same level of intensity. Sequences like the Tele three-Price steal and layup-Booker deflection are the type of plays that make you fall in love with a team. And were all starting to like this team tbh, well except for Kieff. And hopefully the city does too. Certainly if i was in Arizona aint no way im missing a game if i can help it.

Dr Manute · Post #424 » by **Dr Manute** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:50 pm

Please trade Keef!!!!!!

Two Time · Post #425 » by **Two Time** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:00 pm

PJ Tucker can shut up with that quote about "welcome to phx."

He has been here only in the dumps of the Suns franchise.

New York has one of the best set of basketball fans, a few years ago they were chanting "MVP!" for Kobe Byrant IN MSG when Bryant got to the foul line.

People think that GS just magically got all these great fans, but they were always there, but there franchise was a dump so their crowds didn't show that energy.

In the last 5 1/2 years, not only have the Suns trotted out losing teams, they have trotted out a ton of unlikable players. You can include PJ Tucker for driving around in our PHX community absolutely hammered off his ass a couple years ago. Beasely, Shannon Brown, and many more unlikeable players on a losing team. Also letting the greatest player go to your greatest rival AFTER taking a dump on him in the last 2 years with the roster around him, thats gonna alienate some fans.

When the front office puts together a team thats great to root for a team they can be proud of, the fans will support them.

"We suck, we're not charismatic or particulary nice ppl, WHY ARENT THEY CHEERING FOR US???"

Post #426 » by **rsavaj** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:13 pm

The crowd does seem a bit better this year, and it's a direct reflection of how much more visible effort the team displays on the floor vs last year.

LukasBMW · Post #427 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:36 pm

-The Bulls outshot us the entire game.

-The Bulls made their shots in crunch time. We didn't.

-Jimmy Butler looked like a 29 year old Kobe out there hitting those fadeaways.

-Keef doesn't care. He doesn't bring the energy we need. He doesn't hustle.

-Overall, a good effort. The Bulls are a solid team.

LukasBMW · Post #428 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:38 pm

What's the story with the Morris brothers and the assault charge?

I couldn't find anything on google. Has it been dropped yet?

phnart · Post #429 » by **phnart** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:56 pm

Markieff Morris needs to go...or sit on the bench. How do you consistently pick up a foul within the first 90 seconds of every game? I was watching last night and it seemed like he attempted to pick up foul number two about 30 seconds after he got foul number 1, swiping at a Bulls player as he drove by.

Fun game to watch. Gotta love the Bulls big men...wow. Our guys (except Morris) did there best to keep us right there. Butler was phenomenal. We might have seen a different outcome if Bledsoe could have hit a shot early on. I'm starting to like Knight more and more, too.

thamadkant · Post #430 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:44 pm

Saberestar wrote:
"I told the guys that just got here that it's gonna be like that," forward P.J. Tucker said. "When you get the Lakers, Chicago, Boston, you know it's gonna be loud. It's how it is, welcome to Phoenix."

That irks me a little.

Before Tucker, when Suns were winning and had a well meshed roster... The suns fans that attended the games were louder than other fans Lakers or not.

letsgosuns · Post #431 » by **letsgosuns** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:58 pm

I am telling you guys, fans in Phoenix do not like this team. They have not since Nash left. The revolving door of unlikable players they keep signing is the main reason. Tucker can say whatever he wants about the fans but bottom line is that people do not like him. I do not like him. I would love to get rid of him. His presence means nothing to me. Obviously I do not like Markieff. But then you have a guy like Weems that seems to be a pointless signing. Why did you sign him? He provides nothing. Then factor in how the team has not made the playoffs in five years and people do not expect them to this year. Does the organization think fans are clueless?

The city would embrace the team more if Sarver would have just blown it up completely after trading Nash and gone with all young guys like the Diamondbacks did when they had the baby backs team. That team was not any good but it had a bunch of really likable players and fan favorites that people supported. No one wants to support a team if they dislike the players.

That was the 1993 finals rematch last night and no one cared. Suns versus Bulls. There were more Bulls fans cheering. And rightfully so. Bulls fans have something to cheer for. Suns fans do not. Give all the excuses you want but the Suns lost once again at home to a team they should have beaten IF THEY WERE A GOOD TEAM. They are not.

RaisingArizona · Post #432 » by **RaisingArizona** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:05 pm

Make the ******* playoffs and see if we can still hear the opponents fans. I doubt you would.

TeamTragic · Post #433 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:08 pm

Saberestar wrote:
"I told the guys that just got here that it's gonna be like that," forward P.J. Tucker said. "When you get the Lakers, Chicago, Boston, you know it's gonna be loud. It's how it is, welcome to Phoenix."

I really dislike Tucker. The dude can't control himself yet he is giving out advice to younger players? Last time I checked nobody else on our current roster had a super DUI. Him and Kieff need to **** go right **** now. Honestly.

Post #434 » by **rsavaj** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:26 pm

Let's not pretend like this place was a fan utopia during the SSOL years. It was a lot better than it is now, but it still took a LOT to get the crowd going.

Fo-Real · Post #435 » by **Fo-Real** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:39 pm

Didnt read the whole thread but our flow was worse with Kief back. Particularly, how the ofense has been running that high pick with a big (C, or Pf), and Bled and Knight have been creating off of it, there were several times that Kief was supposed to go and set a pick but was hovering around the damn baseline. Several times Chandler or Jeff had to yell at Kief and motion to him to GO and set the damn pick, while Bled or Knight sat there dribbling. By the time they got there the defense was well aware of what the hell was going on, and the flow of that play sucked from that point on. I really think Kief disrupted Bledso's game last night.

RunDogGun · Post #436 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:40 pm

rsavaj wrote:Let's not pretend like this place was a fan utopia during the SSOL years. It was a lot better than it is now, but it still took a LOT to get the crowd going.

Our home crowd has been pretty bad for years, and because we have so many transplant fans in the Valley, you have so many fans for other teams. Plus for Laker games, it's not a bad flight, and pretty easy to get around for a game.

As for the hate for Tucker.... :lol:

Dude has worked his way to a starting job in the NBA, I'm sure he can give advice in regards to basketball. Hopefully he can also give advice on what not to do when it comes to drinking.

RunDogGun · Post #437 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:46 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Didnt read the whole thread but our flow was worse with Kief back. Particularly, how the ofense has been running that high pick with a big (C, or Pf), and Bled and Knight have been creating off of it, there were several times that Kief was supposed to go and set a pick but was hovering around the damn baseline. Several times Chandler or Jeff had to yell at Kief and motion to him to GO and set the damn pick, while Bled or Knight sat there dribbling. By the time they got there the defense was well aware of what the hell was going on, and the flow of that play sucked from that point on. I really think Kief disrupted Bledso's game last night.

I don't know about that, Bledsoe missed easy shots, even lay ups. I'm not sure we can pin that on Kieff. Like I said earlier, it did look like he was trying out there last night. After reading this board, and then watching the game, I was expecting to see him like he was a few games ago, with half jogs, and a lot of half arse play, but he had multiple tips, and 50/50 hustle, which I was pleasantly surprised.

He needs to step things up, but I really don't want to push him to the limits if he is working through an injury. If we want to move him, he needs to remain healthy.

RunDogGun · Post #438 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:48 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:Make the ******* playoffs and see if we can still hear the opponents fans. I doubt you would.

Well to be fair, we won't face any of those teams in this years playoffs, if we make it. Well unless it was the finals. :wink:

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #439 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:53 pm

Butler would not have made that last three if it were Thad Young coming out on him rather than Markieff.

Just sayin.

Post #440 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:56 pm

letsgosuns wrote:I am telling you guys, fans in Phoenix do not like this team. They have not since Nash left. The revolving door of unlikable players they keep signing is the main reason. Tucker can say whatever he wants about the fans but bottom line is that people do not like him. I do not like him. I would love to get rid of him. His presence means nothing to me. Obviously I do not like Markieff. But then you have a guy like Weems that seems to be a pointless signing. Why did you sign him? He provides nothing. Then factor in how the team has not made the playoffs in five years and people do not expect them to this year. Does the organization think fans are clueless?

The city would embrace the team more if Sarver would have just blown it up completely after trading Nash and gone with all young guys like the Diamondbacks did when they had the baby backs team. That team was not any good but it had a bunch of really likable players and fan favorites that people supported. No one wants to support a team if they dislike the players.

That was the 1993 finals rematch last night and no one cared. Suns versus Bulls. There were more Bulls fans cheering. And rightfully so. Bulls fans have something to cheer for. Suns fans do not. Give all the excuses you want but the Suns lost once again at home to a team they should have beaten IF THEY WERE A GOOD TEAM. They are not.

I agree, because I know people, friends and family who were pretty big Suns fans in the past, who just have no interest. Some say they just don't know the players. And unless you are die hard fans like most of us here, with so many moving parts, casual fans have a hard time getting totally interested. The one guy some identified with was Dragic, so what little fan support that existed after two years ago, kind of dissipated. Most of the people that I talk to say the only thing they like about the team is Hornacek. Whether that be because he is an ex player or recognizable to them (it must be since they don't pay attention other than knowing he did a good job his first season) is irrelevant but I think if the FO/Sarver got rid of him, interest locally would dissipate further. I think people kind of liked the new front office but after last year's debacle many blamed the FO.

Hopefully the team keeps competing like they did last night, and that we can turn Markieff into something useful and not have a glaring hole at PF, because I don't think we can make the playoffs if that's the case. It's already going to be tough, since Dallas is better than anticipated, because I think Memphis probably squeezes in, and Utah will be right there. If Houston brings it together than it will be tough. Even teams like Minnesota, Denver and Portland are playing much better so we have to continue to take care of games against them.