Trade Discussion

DRK · Post #421 » by **DRK** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:06 am

I for one, dont want to move Markieff.

No. hes not a model citizen, but hes a damn good PF.. Top 10 in the league in my opinion. Versatile scorer, and despite his aggressive personality and demanding a trade, hes been quite professional through the thick and thin and revolving door of FO, players and coaches.

I dont see why we should move him at all.

I might be the only one on this board, but I want Markieff to be part of our future

thamadkant · Post #422 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:07 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
Gorilla Warfare wrote:I'm going to say it again. The day Cousins puts on a Suns uniform is the day I stop being a Suns fan. That's like getting cancer when you already got the full blown AIDS.

We've been spoiling Queef and putting up with his shenanigans like he is a Boogie caliber player. Cousins isn't a punk with off the court disciplinary issue and doesn't flip off fans , he never dogs it and leaves his heart out on the flor every single night. Anyways we'll never be lucky enough to acquire him so you can be relieved

I like boogie but come on dude, he dogs it a TON on d.

Cousins put up monstrous scoring games.
Almost always 10+ rebounds...

About 1.5 blocks and 1.5 steals a game....

He defends smartly, he doesnt want to foul out.

He doesnt "dog" it defensively a lot at all. He doesn't exert himself like the very best defenders, but he is reliable enough to body up and challenge his man.

Post #423 » by **Cactus Jack** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:10 am

JMac1 wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Yeah, it's cost us in the past in failed attempts to get LeBron and then scrambling for IT. Sometimes holding out does backfire. But I think the best offers do likely come forward at the end of the trade deadline unless all teams feel like they are set and that is unlikely.

Love Isaiah. A Seattle guy. Never understood that trade. Was hoping he would stick in Phx.

Empty stat machine and one way player. No thank you.

You sure?

That's fine. Difference of opinion. I followed him while he was at Washington. Great college player. NBA All-star. 8-)

letsgosuns · Post #424 » by **letsgosuns** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:10 am

http://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/events/2016/02/12/free-dan-bickley-show-talk-arizona-sports-senator-john-mccain-and-jerry-colangelo/80309612/

Maybe Sarver and McDonough can go and learn how to run a professional sports franchise.

DRK · Post #425 » by **DRK** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:11 am

Isaiah as a 5'9 Gilbert Arenas...

Jdiddy701 · Post #426 » by **Jdiddy701** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:11 am

DRK wrote:I for one, dont want to move Markieff.

No. hes not a model citizen, but hes a damn good PF.. Top 10 in the league in my opinion. Versatile scorer, and despite his aggressive personality and demanding a trade, hes been quite professional through the thick and thin and revolving door of FO, players and coaches.

I dont see why we should move him at all.

I might be the only one on this board, but I want Markieff to be part of our future

As much as I agree with you, it just won't happen. If Markieff is not traded by Thursday, he's gonna snap.

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saintEscaton · Post #427 » by **saintEscaton** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:11 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Love Isaiah. A Seattle guy. Never understood that trade. Was hoping he would stick in Phx.

Empty stat machine and one way player. No thank you.

You sure?

That's fine. Difference of opinion. I followed him while he was at Washington. Great college player. NBA All-star.

Its ok a lot of our posters are experiencing cognitive dissonance trying to justify giving him away for pennies on the dollar

Mulhollanddrive · Post #428 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:12 am

He's an ineffecient scorer on a bad team.

Luckily there's a market for them.

We might be getting Rudy Gay afterall and already have Brandon Knight.

DRK · Post #429 » by **DRK** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:17 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:
DRK wrote:I for one, dont want to move Markieff.

No. hes not a model citizen, but hes a damn good PF.. Top 10 in the league in my opinion. Versatile scorer, and despite his aggressive personality and demanding a trade, hes been quite professional through the thick and thin and revolving door of FO, players and coaches.

I dont see why we should move him at all.

I might be the only one on this board, but I want Markieff to be part of our future

As much as I agree with you, it just won't happen. If Markieff is not traded by Thursday, he's gonna snap.

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How sure are you of that?

Dude has lifted since Watson was made coach.

Hes the number 1 option for our team, and has played very well.

I highly believe that Kieff's lack of effort and bad numbers at the start of the year is not just because of trading Marcus, but due to not getting involved in the offence.

If anyone has ever played real basketball, as a big man, if your guards hog the ball and take all the shots, bad ones too (get lost Knight), it really weakens your effort level due to frustration. kieff is no different to any of us. Hes human too.

nevetsov · Post #430 » by **nevetsov** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:18 am

Slowly starting to think it may be a quiet deadline for us.

Known - if left untouched, our rotation (due to injuries) is pretty set for the next 30 games:

Knight, Price
Booker, Goodwin
Tucker, Booker
Morris, Teletovic
Chandler, Len

Leuer, Weems and the DLers will see a bit of garbage time but unlikely to get much more than that IMO.

Playing it like this, will guys like Morris, Tele, Tucker, and Knight likely have more trade value now, or at the end of the season?

Morris - end of season. He seems to respond to Watsons coaching and even though there's a risk he may implode again, a 35 game sample size of 20/8/3/1/1 will make him a lot more desirable than he does now. And on $8m that's insane - bit players will be getting that kind of money this offseason. $8m is probably the new MLE.

Knight - end of season. He'll get his touches and while his efficiency will suck, he'll still put up 20/6/3 with Keef taking the pressure off some. He'll have slightly more worth once big money starts getting thrown around on inferior FAs.

Tucker - now. While he may get the mins down the stretch, his value is at a high to teams looking to make a late season push. Value will be his to lose. Cash in now.

Teletovic - now. UFA at the end of the season and we have Leuer who can easily slot into the backup PF role. If we don't trade him, it means we like him here.

EDIT: forgot about Archie. I'd say end of season as he'll still go for 10/4 in 20mpg the rest of the way.

sunskerr · Post #431 » by **sunskerr** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:19 am

saintEscaton wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
Empty stat machine and one way player. No thank you.

You sure?

That's fine. Difference of opinion. I followed him while he was at Washington. Great college player. NBA All-star.

Its ok a lot of our posters are experiencing cognitive dissonance trying to justify giving him away for pennies on the dollar

Why did we trade him anyway? Wasn't it to try to appease Dragic whom already had requested to be traded? Did we really want to get Knight that badly? Because right now Isaiah is ostensibly a better and cheaper Brandon Knight.

Sunsdeuce · Post #432 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:21 am

Heard this on the radio today and I have to completely agree. Ryan McDonough is usually putting a good plan A together but the times plan A doesn't work out his plan B is absolutely horrible and has set this team back badly.

Anyway, the real feeling outside of the Phx fan base and and Phx area, if the Suns come away with a 1st round draft pick for Markeiff right now, it's a win for Phx. It's a harsh truth people need to accept. His piss poor attitude aside, his court play isn't that valued. Truth hurts sometimes. If he was truly that "talented" GMs would be willing to overlook his attitude problem. GMs in any sport will bend if there is talent associated with mental case players (see Greg Hardy).

[tweet]https://twitter.com/azsports/status/699803804892401664[/tweet]

Post #433 » by **Cactus Jack** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:23 am

DRK wrote:Isaiah as a 5'9 Gilbert Arenas...

I'll let that slip cuz your a fellow Reds fan.

dremill24 · Post #434 » by **dremill24** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:26 am

sunskerr wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:You sure?

That's fine. Difference of opinion. I followed him while he was at Washington. Great college player. NBA All-star.

Its ok a lot of our posters are experiencing cognitive dissonance trying to justify giving him away for pennies on the dollar

Why did we trade him anyway? Wasn't it to try to appease Dragic whom already had requested to be traded? Did we really want to get Knight that badly? Because right now Isaiah is ostensibly a better and cheaper Brandon Knight.

I seem to remember some things being said about IT eventually just not being ok with coming off the bench. and they just weren't gonna have a 6'0"/5'9" starting backcourt so they just moved him almost as a favor to him at that point.

DRK · Post #435 » by **DRK** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:26 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
DRK wrote:Isaiah as a 5'9 Gilbert Arenas...

I'll let that slip cuz your a fellow Reds fan.

Score first guard. Great shot maker... Pretty good distributor when he wants to be.

Gilbert is on another level though, but quite similar players.

MrMiyagi · Post #436 » by **MrMiyagi** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:28 am

DRK wrote:I for one, dont want to move Markieff.

No. hes not a model citizen, but hes a damn good PF.. Top 10 in the league in my opinion. Versatile scorer, and despite his aggressive personality and demanding a trade, hes been quite professional through the thick and thin and revolving door of FO, players and coaches.

I dont see why we should move him at all.

I might be the only one on this board, but I want Markieff to be part of our future

I really liked Kieff too... Before the season started. I tried to defend him when he was struggling early, but then it became clear he doesn't want to play here. He was pretty bad from October, through January, but turned it one for the five games in February to impress for the trade deadline. If he isn't moved now or in the offseason, he'll probably do the same thing next year too.

AtheJ415 · Post #437 » by **AtheJ415** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:28 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Heard this on the radio today and I have to completely agree. Ryan McDonough is usually putting a good plan A together but the times plan A doesn't work out his plan B is absolutely horrible and has set this team back badly.

Anyway, the real feeling outside of the Phx fan base and and Phx area, if the Suns come away with a 1st round draft pick for Markeiff right now, it's a win for Phx. It's a harsh truth people need to accept. His piss poor attitude aside, his court play isn't that valued. Truth hurts sometimes.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/azsports/status/699803804892401664[/tweet]

Who exactly needs to accept this? I've seen a whopping 1 person say they want to keep Kieff. While many, including me, think we can get more, who is saying they'd be disappointed with getting a first for him?

Post #438 » by **Cactus Jack** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:31 am

DRK wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
DRK wrote:Isaiah as a 5'9 Gilbert Arenas...

I'll let that slip cuz your a fellow Reds fan.

Score first guard. Great shot maker... Pretty good distributor when he wants to be.

Gilbert is on another level though, but quite similar players.

Lol ok, if you say so.

Love your avy though.

Post #439 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:33 am

dremill24 wrote:
sunskerr wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
Its ok a lot of our posters are experiencing cognitive dissonance trying to justify giving him away for pennies on the dollar

Why did we trade him anyway? Wasn't it to try to appease Dragic whom already had requested to be traded? Did we really want to get Knight that badly? Because right now Isaiah is ostensibly a better and cheaper Brandon Knight.

I seem to remember some things being said about IT eventually just not being ok with coming off the bench. and they just weren't gonna have a 6'0"/5'9" starting backcourt so they just moved him almost as a favor to him at that point.

I think Sarver wanted to keep Dragic and they told Dragic they were going to deal IT and had that deal lined up before Dragic wanted out, and perhaps McD didn't want to go back on his word to Ainge, his old boss. Just a possibility.

Sunsdeuce · Post #440 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:33 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Heard this on the radio today and I have to completely agree. Ryan McDonough is usually putting a good plan A together but the times plan A doesn't work out his plan B is absolutely horrible and has set this team back badly.

Anyway, the real feeling outside of the Phx fan base and and Phx area, if the Suns come away with a 1st round draft pick for Markeiff right now, it's a win for Phx. It's a harsh truth people need to accept. His piss poor attitude aside, his court play isn't that valued. Truth hurts sometimes.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/azsports/status/699803804892401664[/tweet]

Who exactly needs to accept this? I've seen a whopping 1 person say they want to keep Kieff. While many, including me, think we can get more, who is saying they'd be disappointed with getting a first for him?

Relax Chachi, it ain't that serious!