Draft Thread Part 2

DirtyDez · Post #421 » by **DirtyDez** » Fri May 13, 2016 12:48 am

Chriss is nearly 6'9" barefoot and weighed in at 233? Hello top-10.

Post #422 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri May 13, 2016 1:48 am

Plot twist, Suns get the No 1 pick and choose Dragan Bender.

Post #423 » by **ATTL** » Fri May 13, 2016 2:05 am

Qwigglez wrote:Plot twist, Suns get the No 1 pick and choose Dragan Bender.

Almost and oned before I finished reading.

bhawk · Post #424 » by **bhawk** » Fri May 13, 2016 2:16 am

Suns take Buddy #1. Philly just might...

Post #425 » by **bwgood77** » Fri May 13, 2016 2:34 am

bhawk wrote:Suns take Buddy #1. Philly just might...

Now you're being crazy. I'd take him 4th, POSSIBLY consider him at 3.

Weemsickew14 · Post #426 » by **Weemsickew14** » Fri May 13, 2016 4:16 am

My Ideal draft if we stay at 4:
4: Brown/Buddy
13th: Chriss/Skal/Davis
28/33: Bentil/Zizic/Brembry/Malachi

Blackification · Post #427 » by **Blackification** » Fri May 13, 2016 6:46 am

Why are there recent suggestions that we should pick Hield?

We already have Booker and Bogdan coming over. I don't see any reason why we would pick a SG other than a draft and trade, and even then who is available that would be worth it? Unless im getting Butler back forget about it.

I've already come to terms that we either get pick 1 or 2 and get simmons or ingram or we are ending up with Bender

Post #428 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri May 13, 2016 7:12 am

I'm all for BPA with our highest pick and then we should look for both upside and need after that. I'd be annoyed with 3 guards, even if they are all BPA at those draft spots.

darealjuice · Post #429 » by **darealjuice** » Fri May 13, 2016 7:30 am

I'm afraid of drafting a guard with our top pick because players drafted in the top 5 usually need minutes right away, and that just further complicates our guard rotation. If we miss out on Simmons, Ingram, and Bender, then I'd like for us look for a team to trade back towards 7-9 that wants to move up for one of the guards and take the best forward available. I usually prefer BPA, but we can't afford to spend that pick on mucking up our guard situation even more.

letsgosuns · Post #430 » by **letsgosuns** » Fri May 13, 2016 7:46 am

The Suns have to draft the best player available regardless of position. It is imperative. Too many teams have drafted for need and passed on the best player available and it is a terrible idea. If the best player available is a point guard so be it. Trade Bledsoe and Knight if you have to. I really do not care about any of the players that were in the starting lineup from opening night this past season. Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Markieff, Chandler. Who cares. That team flat out sucked.

yitur · Post #431 » by **yitur** » Fri May 13, 2016 9:38 am

What would you think if lakers offered 2nd for 4th+13th?

thamadkant · Post #432 » by **thamadkant** » Fri May 13, 2016 10:37 am

If McD is thinking of drafting Buddy Hield... for what ever reason, maybe he feels Hield is the next Harden or something.

He would trade Booker or Knight AND Bledsoe to 76ers for their pick.

I dont see McD having 4 guards who needs 30 minutes a game each... that leads to discontent and animosity... to the coach and the team.

thamadkant · Post #433 » by **thamadkant** » Fri May 13, 2016 11:04 am

I'm thinking Suns need to move up from Cavs pick to somewhere in the low 20s or even pick 17-18.... and get someone like Thon Maker, high risk but Suns should be swinging for the fences and at that range they can afford to risk it.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #434 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri May 13, 2016 11:28 am

If Brandon Knight or Bogdan Bogdanovic is more important than selecting the best player in the top 5, I have no idea.

jcsunsfan · Post #435 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri May 13, 2016 2:16 pm

yitur wrote:What would you think if lakers offered 2nd for 4th+13th?

Uh. Yeah!

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Post #436 » by **bwgood77** » Fri May 13, 2016 2:56 pm

yitur wrote:What would you think if lakers offered 2nd for 4th+13th?

Why would they do that?

Post #437 » by **ATTL** » Fri May 13, 2016 3:00 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
yitur wrote:What would you think if lakers offered 2nd for 4th+13th?

Why would they do that?

Who do you think says no?
I assume the Lakers do it to inject another young player into their lineup, especially if they don't care for Ingram.

Post #438 » by **bwgood77** » Fri May 13, 2016 3:04 pm

letsgosuns wrote:The Suns have to draft the best player available regardless of position. It is imperative. Too many teams have drafted for need and passed on the best player available and it is a terrible idea. If the best player available is a point guard so be it. Trade Bledsoe and Knight if you have to. I really do not care about any of the players that were in the starting lineup from opening night this past season. Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Markieff, Chandler. Who cares. That team flat out sucked.

So many people say "you have to draft the BPA". This always make me laugh when it's never clear cut and everyone has difference of opinions when it comes to who that is.

As an example, Buddy Hield looks 10x better as a senior in college than Booker did as a freshman in college, but what about a comparison of their freshman years?

Hield will likely be more likely to contribute immediately, but does he have the upside of some of the others? Likely not. The big plus is you know he has the work ethic and drive to improve and get better AND he can shoot, which is of vast importance these days.

I'd have to look long and hard between Hield and Bender at 3 if we end up there, or at 4 or 5 if they are both there but I take either over Dunn, Brown or Murray. Not totally sure about Ellenson yet. He is the wildcard. I'm inclined to say no way, but that's not really based on anything other than fear of lack of athleticism, bodyfat, etc. My gut tells us that unless we end up top two, we probably take Bender unless McD is absolutely in love with someone he watched and interviewed, which is also likely.

Post #439 » by **bwgood77** » Fri May 13, 2016 3:10 pm

ATTL wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
yitur wrote:What would you think if lakers offered 2nd for 4th+13th?

Why would they do that?

Who do you think says no?
I assume the Lakers do it to inject another young player into their lineup, especially if they don't care for Ingram.

Well, the Lakers are loaded at guard, and they also want to compete now, and have mentioned they have enough young guys. I imagine if they want to trade the pick, the #2 pick as far more value than the others in trade and that if they keep the pick, either Simmons or Ingram, particularly Ingram fits their team well. They certainly don't need Dunn, Murray or probably Hield. If they REALLY like Hield and want a big at 13, that would be the only way. But they already have Russell and Clarkson. Look at their depth chart...how would Ingram not be the obvious best fit? http://espn.go.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/lal

darealjuice · Post #440 » by **darealjuice** » Fri May 13, 2016 3:32 pm

It's not that Knight, Bledsoe, or Bogdanovic are untouchable, it's that I think the only guard in the draft that is even worth taking that high would potentially be Jamal Murray. I'm not a fan that Kris Dunn and Buddy Hield are both going to be only 2 years younger than Brandon Knight, and 3 years older than Devin Booker when they come into the league. Neither of them shout to me that they're going to so much better than what we already have at the positions they play that we should use our pick on them and ignore the players of similar talent level that are available at positions that we need. In fact, I'll go on record saying that I don't think Dunn's prime is going to be any better than a taller Eric Bledsoe, and I don't think Hield is going to contribute more than being a knock down shooter.

That's not to say I think we should do something foolish like reach at the 4th pick on Skal Labissiere, Deyonta Davis, or Marquese Chriss because they fit needs our team better, but like I said, we should look into moving back into a position where the people being drafted ahead of us are players that we don't have room for on the roster, and there's a pretty good chance that we'll see the 3 top guards go off the board in the top 5 or 6 picks. Moving back to the 7th pick would net us another pick in the future/2nd round and put us in a position to select players that coincide with the value of the 7th pick that won't cause complications at positions we're already young and talented at.

Trust me, I want Knight gone too, but after stupidly giving up the Lakers pick for him, I'd be pretty pissed if we dumped him at his lowest value for whatever we can get just so that we can make room on the roster for Kris Dunn or Buddy Hield.

If we keep the 4th pick, who do you want to take?