The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[bwgood77]

I do like one of the ideas on the trade board: #28 for Z-BO. I would prefer it to be #34 for Z-BO, but still the idea is interesting.

We are most likely going to strike out on any big names in FA. Paying Randolph $10M for a season would be more than fine for me. At his advanced age he is still a major defensive threat, a rebounder, and a threat in the post. Whatever young big we pickup in the draft is going to have issues and will need time to learn the game and adjust, so playing minutes behind Zach wouldnt be that big of an issue. Im sure he would also make a great mentor and be a positive veteran presence on our team as well. Of course i would also ask for Stephenson in return and throw them Tucker/Leuer as well.



Bledsoe/Booker/Stephenson/ZBO/Chandler ------ Surrounds Booker with defenders.

So you are really thinking this team could get somewhere? I mean at the expense of possibly a top draft pick next year? ZBO and Chandler front court? I think the value is good, and I think the only reason Memphis trades ZBo for the 28th pick is if they are either rebuilding because Conley bolts or if they (being the last hold out team of having two interior bigs) decide you can't win any more with two interior bigs, and in that case, why would we want to be the only team trying to be successful with two interior bigs?

Also, we can't exactly throw in Leuer since he's a free agent.

Is he a FA? I know Mirza is, but ESPN has Leuer listed as 2 more years (This past season & net season).

As for Memphis, i think they will be re-signing Conley and going after Pau for cheap in FA. I know they have tried getting the Gasol Bros. together for years, but it seems like this is the year they can get it done. He has already stated that he is done with the Bulls, so he wont be taking his player option, and i can see him playing for cheaper than this season ($7.4M) to be with his brother. The subtraction of Randolph and addition of Gasol would save them money to re-sign Conley and go after a decent SF (Specially if they were sending out Stephenson like i want them to). If i were them, i would try to get Rudy Gay away from Sac in a Kings salary dump.

Conley/Allen/Gay/Gasol/Gasol

As for us... I would love to end up with the #1 pick next season and get Giles, but i just dont think we are ever lucky enough to land a top draftee. Many say that next seasons draft is a loaded one, who knows if everyone elects to come out of college in such a loaded draft, but maybe having a later pick in a better draft isnt that bad, specially if we are starting to develop a winning culture for are youngin's.

I think with the line-up i posted, we could make the playoffs. would we advance? I have no idea.

Hmmm...Grizzlies reunion in bringing back Gay and Gasol. It would be kind of fun to see. I don't see Bledsoe/Booker/Stephenson/ZBo/Chandler as a playoff team at all, unless the west is terrible again after the top 4 or 5 teams. Memphis will be healthier, and I expect Utah and Minnesota and probably Portland to make it again. So that's it. Oh yeah, and that isn't even considering Houston, who should make it. So one of those teams gets squeezed out, and then you have Dallas, who will still be competitive enough to be right in the running.

With that lineup do you expect to be better than Minnesota, Utah or Houston?

[Kerrsed]

I think that the Wolves are still way too young to be a playoff team, add in a new coach (Thibs) running a new system.....its going to take a few years before the even sniff the playoff picture.

Utah has a lot of questions. Exum has been a bit of a failure for them so far. He is really going to have to step it up and soon. Hayward is the man, there is no doubt about it and it looks like Utah has tried to surround him with the correct players, but still the have yet to make the playoffs. Now with Favors one thing that i have noticed is his development has hit a bit of a wall. Look at his stats. Every year they have improved, well except for this season. This season and last season stats are nearly identical, yet this season he didnt have Kanter around taking away his shots or rebounds, and he was also logging more minutes than the 2014 season. I think this is as good as he is going to get. He has plateaued. Gobert is a defensive beast. He is what i wished Len turned into. I could care less about scoring, play defense and grab rebounds. You want to score? Get ya ass in the paint and grab some offensive rebounds and put them back up for points. Utah could be a team on the rise, but they are still quite iffy with their backcourt play.

Houston is a clusterf**k. Whats Howard doing? Their starting PG is known for his defense, but cant shoot. How is Dantoni going to deal with their current roster? Sure he will make Harden absolutely DEADLY, but look at the rest of the team! There will definitely have to be a cleaning of the house for anything to happen. I think it will take Houston a few years (Until Dantoni can get Dantoni players) before they make a playoff run.

I think Dallas will continue to slide. I dont see them making any big improvements, they dont have the players to trade for quality players, they will have issues landing good FA's, and they will comeback with the same team next season, but another year older.

Memphis has to do something big as well, but can they. Sure, i think they will go after Pau, but will he be that much of a gamechanger for them? Will Conley stay? Just like Dallas, they are another team with the majority of their starters and good players on the wrong side of 30. The core of Conley/Allen/ZBO/Gasol have been together for what seems like ages, and if they couldnt get the job done together 5 years ago, what makes them think they can now.

Portland is a one man 2 PG team. Lillard is the man. He's what wins them games. The only other player of note that they have is McCollum. He had a breakout season and in order to win games Portland was forced to roll him out as their starting SG. Here we go again with another team trying to utilze a 2 PG system. The only reason it somewhat worked for them is because Lillard is a top 10 player, a lights out shooter, and a all around great scorer. McCollum is pretty much the same. He is Lillard-lite. The rest of the team? Trash. SF's? Trash. PF's? Trash. C's? Trash. Lillard makes this team go.

Now all those teams i just went through made the playoffs (Minus the Wolves). They all were around 4 games away from each other. Do i think a team with the players i listed would make the playoffs? Honestly, yes i do. Do i think we can beat OKC/GS/Spurs with it? Probably not, but its a long season and all it takes is a few injuries to key players and its a who 'nother ball game. Do i think that team could compete with the Clippers? Yes. I dont know who would win, but i think we would be neck and neck with them. Most importantly, does it give our guys hope, time to develope, a light out of the constantly losing tunnel, a shift from being a bottom dweller to a playoff contender (You know, what players like LMA are more interested in rather than a rebuilding loser)? YES!

[Kerrsed]

I seriously feel like i have been typing novels these past few days!

[nevetsov]

The 2016 Phoenix Buns: Bledsoe Booker Butler Bender and Byombo.

Bogdanovic and Bolomboy off the bench.

Now tell me that's not a good team.

I'd probably rate it a B+

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

I think that the Wolves are still way too young to be a playoff team, add in a new coach (Thibs) running a new system.....its going to take a few years before the even sniff the playoff picture.

Utah has a lot of questions. Exum has been a bit of a failure for them so far. He is really going to have to step it up and soon. Hayward is the man, there is no doubt about it and it looks like Utah has tried to surround him with the correct players, but still the have yet to make the playoffs. Now with Favors one thing that i have noticed is his development has hit a bit of a wall. Look at his stats. Every year they have improved, well except for this season. This season and last season stats are nearly identical, yet this season he didnt have Kanter around taking away his shots or rebounds, and he was also logging more minutes than the 2014 season. I think this is as good as he is going to get. He has plateaued. Gobert is a defensive beast. He is what i wished Len turned into. I could care less about scoring, play defense and grab rebounds. You want to score? Get ya ass in the paint and grab some offensive rebounds and put them back up for points. Utah could be a team on the rise, but they are still quite iffy with their backcourt play.

Houston is a clusterf**k. Whats Howard doing? Their starting PG is known for his defense, but cant shoot. How is Dantoni going to deal with their current roster? Sure he will make Harden absolutely DEADLY, but look at the rest of the team! There will definitely have to be a cleaning of the house for anything to happen. I think it will take Houston a few years (Until Dantoni can get Dantoni players) before they make a playoff run.

I think Dallas will continue to slide. I dont see them making any big improvements, they dont have the players to trade for quality players, they will have issues landing good FA's, and they will comeback with the same team next season, but another year older.

Memphis has to do something big as well, but can they. Sure, i think they will go after Pau, but will he be that much of a gamechanger for them? Will Conley stay? Just like Dallas, they are another team with the majority of their starters and good players on the wrong side of 30. The core of Conley/Allen/ZBO/Gasol have been together for what seems like ages, and if they couldnt get the job done together 5 years ago, what makes them think they can now.

Portland is a one man 2 PG team. Lillard is the man. He's what wins them games. The only other player of note that they have is McCollum. He had a breakout season and in order to win games Portland was forced to roll him out as their starting SG. Here we go again with another team trying to utilze a 2 PG system. The only reason it somewhat worked for them is because Lillard is a top 10 player, a lights out shooter, and a all around great scorer. McCollum is pretty much the same. He is Lillard-lite. The rest of the team? Trash. SF's? Trash. PF's? Trash. C's? Trash. Lillard makes this team go.

Now all those teams i just went through made the playoffs (Minus the Wolves). They all were around 4 games away from each other. Do i think a team with the players i listed would make the playoffs? Honestly, yes i do. Do i think we can beat OKC/GS/Spurs with it? Probably not, but its a long season and all it takes is a few injuries to key players and its a who 'nother ball game. Do i think that team could compete with the Clippers? Yes. I dont know who would win, but i think we would be neck and neck with them. Most importantly, does it give our guys hope, time to develope, a light out of the constantly losing tunnel, a shift from being a bottom dweller to a playoff contender (You know, what players like LMA are more interested in rather than a rebuilding loser)? YES!

I don't know...Minnesota, if they are not knocking on the playoff door this year, they will be within a year imo. Utah was pretty much right there until the blew it and they have a lottery pick to add to Hayward, Gobert, Favors, Lyles, etc. Portland doesn't have trash players at 3-5 or they would have gone nowhere. As a matter of fact, Vonleh could blossom, as could Meyers Leonard...Aminu is a defensive stud and he has Harkless behind him, who it seems you were a fan of trading for at one point (though I may be wrong there). Mason Plumlee is a pretty good center. Allen Crabbe is also a good backup guard.

Houston and Dallas are the teams I would think are most likely to not make the playoffs of the group. I don't see that lineup you posed getting us there there though.

[lilfishi22]

I think Minny is closer to a playoff spot than some may think. I think they have the coach to funnel the talent and the youth in a positive direction which could have them knocking on the playoff's door as soon as next season. All their main young guys already have a season or two under their belt and KAT already plays like he's a 3-4 year veteran. I know it's easier said than done but they have the talent and right group of players to make a splash, they just need to be on the same level collectively.

Houston is as Kerrsed mentioned, a cluster**** of a situation. They don't have the talent outside of Harden (on one end of the court), the youth, significant assets or even the right coach to turn this ship around quickly. Unless D'Antoni doesn't turn out to be the coach we knew he was, then they are in for an ugly season or two.

Dallas is also in a tough situation but they have a great owner, a solid head office and the right coach, they just need some young talent.

I love Portland's situations. This is a team that shouldn't even have sniffed the playoffs yet played tough in every playoff game and only succumb to the eventual Finalists. This a team that had a team salary of $54m (lowest in the NBA) because this was suppose to be Year One of their rebuild.

[Damkac]

I do like one of the ideas on the trade board: #28 for Z-BO. I would prefer it to be #34 for Z-BO, but still the idea is interesting.

We are most likely going to strike out on any big names in FA. Paying Randolph $10M for a season would be more than fine for me. At his advanced age he is still a major defensive threat, a rebounder, and a threat in the post. Whatever young big we pickup in the draft is going to have issues and will need time to learn the game and adjust, so playing minutes behind Zach wouldnt be that big of an issue. Im sure he would also make a great mentor and be a positive veteran presence on our team as well. Of course i would also ask for Stephenson in return and throw them Tucker/Leuer as well.



Bledsoe/Booker/Stephenson/ZBO/Chandler ------ Surrounds Booker with defenders.

Disgusting.

[TASTIC]

Besides the obvious KD dream scenario, here's what I'd do/try to do (assuming the players I'm after are available at each pick...yes. Big assumption):

Bender at 4
Baldwin at 13
Brogdon at 34

Many here won't like it but I'd like to sign Batum...likely a max deal unfortunately, but that's the price to pay for a legit two way player who is a fantastic playmaker and good 3pt shooter, and he's a winner and a leader.

Chandler to POR for Ed Davis straight up. Davis is far younger and would thrive as our energy big off the bench, even spot starting next to Len if need be.

Knight to IND
#28, Archie Goodwin, Leuer and Solomon Hill to BRK
George Hill and Thad Young to PHX

IND get some much needed scoring and we acquire a relatively cheap first guard off the bench who can also defend and would be perfect next to Booker when Bled is out. Young basically keeps the seat warm as starting PF until Bender is ready.
Nets get some young blood and a 1st.

Re-sign Teletovic for 3yr $25-$30m (guessing what he'll likely command)

So we look like this essentially:

Len
TYoung
Batum
Booker
Bledsoe
-----
Baldwin
GHill
Warren
Tucker
Bender - couldn't see him starting til at least 2-3mth into the season
Teletovic
Davis
Brogdon
AWilliams (extra banger body is always useful)
Price - to push the other guards in practice basically

Good thing with guys like Hill and Young is that unlike Chandler, they're vets on cheap deals so if it does go down the toilet early they're easily traded again.

I love the potential of this defensive 5:
Len
Tucker
Batum
Brogdon/Hill
Bledsoe

And we can go all octane offence with this one:

Teletovic
Tucker
Batum
Booker
Bledsoe

I guess the 'beauty' of this situation is with the presence of useful vets you wouldn't need to rush Bender and Baldwin along.

Hill may seem a bit redundant with the Baldwin pick but I couldn't see UTA giving up 12 for Knight. Also thought about the Nets for Thad straight up too, or even the Rockets for Beverley (would LOVE him as backup PG) and Moti or TJ.

Flame away!

[Qwigglez]

I think Minny is closer to a playoff spot than some may think. I think they have the coach to funnel the talent and the youth in a positive direction which could have them knocking on the playoff's door as soon as next season. All their main young guys already have a season or two under their belt and KAT already plays like he's a 3-4 year veteran. I know it's easier said than done but they have the talent and right group of players to make a splash, they just need to be on the same level collectively.

I'm sure there is some kind of advance stats out there but I'd guess the Wolves have lost many games in the fourth quarter. They'll eventually win those games after their team gets more experience but I'd say they aren't making the playoffs again this upcoming year. The following season I can see them catapulting to a top 5 seed though.

[carey]

I'm sure there is some kind of advance stats out there but I'd guess the Wolves have lost many games in the fourth quarter. They'll eventually win those games after their team gets more experience but I'd say they aren't making the playoffs again this upcoming year. The following season I can see them catapulting to a top 5 seed though.

Over at .net we do avatar bets all the time. I'm certain enough of the Timberwolves making the playoffs in '17 that I would do an avatar bet. The usual caveats apply regarding team health, trades not significantly altering the roster, etc.

Something I've been thinking about with them though: if you were a big time FA why wouldn't you consider signing in Minnesota? Top tier coach, the next Duncan, a distributing PG, young & exciting wing players... I'm not saying KD would ever sign there but on paper it certainly has everything you want as a team on the rise. Except that the team plays out of Minneapolis where for 3 months of the season the average high is in the 20s.

[rsavaj]

Anyone have any Kyrie or Love deals that might work?

Kyrie for Bledsoe, Tucker, 28?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

How about:

Milwaukee trades: K. Middleton, G. Monroe, M. Carter-Williams, #10
Milwaukee receives: E. Bledsoe, T. Chandler, P.J. Tucker, #4 (J. Murray)

Bledsoe/Ennis
Murray/Vaughn
Antetokounmpo/Tucker
Parker
Chandler/Henson

Phoenix trades: E. Bledsoe, T. Chandler, P.J. Tucker, #4
Phoenix receives: K. Middleton, G. Monroe, M. Carter-Williams, #10 (D. Sabonis)

Knight/Carter-Williams/D. Murray (#13)
Middleton/Booker/Goodwin
Warren
Sabonis/Teletovic
Len/Monroe

[rsavaj]

How about:

Milwaukee trades: K. Middleton, G. Monroe, M. Carter-Williams, #10
Milwaukee receives: E. Bledsoe, T. Chandler, P.J. Tucker, #4 (J. Murray)

Bledsoe/Ennis
Murray/Vaughn
Antetokounmpo/Tucker
Parker
Chandler/Henson

Phoenix trades: E. Bledsoe, T. Chandler, P.J. Tucker, #4
Phoenix receives: K. Middleton, G. Monroe, M. Carter-Williams, #10 (D. Sabonis)

Knight/Carter-Williams/D. Murray (#13)
Middleton/Booker/Goodwin
Warren
Sabonis/Teletovic
Len/Monroe

I don't see any reason for Milwaukee to do that. Middleton is the best value in that trade. They don't need Chandler. Giannis is their point so they don't need an injury riddled Bledsoe. I think they decline quickly.

[bwgood77]

Anyone have any Kyrie or Love deals that might work?

Kyrie for Bledsoe, Tucker, 28?

Here are my thoughts on Kyrie.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1451009&start=73#start_here

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Anyone have any Kyrie or Love deals that might work?

Kyrie for Bledsoe, Tucker, 28?

Chandler and Tucker for Love

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

How about:

Milwaukee trades: K. Middleton, G. Monroe, M. Carter-Williams, #10
Milwaukee receives: E. Bledsoe, T. Chandler, P.J. Tucker, #4 (J. Murray)

Bledsoe/Ennis
Murray/Vaughn
Antetokounmpo/Tucker
Parker
Chandler/Henson

Phoenix trades: E. Bledsoe, T. Chandler, P.J. Tucker, #4
Phoenix receives: K. Middleton, G. Monroe, M. Carter-Williams, #10 (D. Sabonis)

Knight/Carter-Williams/D. Murray (#13)
Middleton/Booker/Goodwin
Warren
Sabonis/Teletovic
Len/Monroe

I don't see any reason for Milwaukee to do that. Middleton is the best value in that trade. They don't need Chandler. Giannis is their point so they don't need an injury riddled Bledsoe. I think they decline quickly.

They need a point on defense, at least, which is why they played a lot of Bayless and Mayo last season. They need someone who can create their own shot. Word was they wanted Chandler last year and are trying to part with Monroe and Carter-Williams.

If they prefer Baldwin or Poeltl, they'll turn this down, obviously. I think the value's pretty close. Maybe we take Henson back instead of Monroe - both teams may be amenable to that. I like the idea of rotating Booker/Warren/Middleton.

[Qwigglez]

Anyone have any Kyrie or Love deals that might work?

Kyrie for Bledsoe, Tucker, 28?

Suns get: Kevin Love/Gordon Hayward

Cavs get: Eric Bledsoe/Tyson Chandler/Trevor Ariza/Trey Lyles

Jazz get: Kyrie Irving + #28

Rockets get: Brandon Knight

Cavs surround Lebron around defensive oriented players. They have a team ready to run with Lebron at the 4, Ariza at the 3, Bledsoe and Shump in the backcourt.

Jazz get great value for Hayward who is expiring after this upcoming season. Lyles is added because Hayward's value dips a bit because of his expiring contract.

Mike DA wants a PG that can shoot the ball. Knight brings that.

Suns get Love and Hayward. Draft Dunn if we want to go more defense, or draft Murray if we want to go for a lights out approach. Deyonta Davis slips to 13 and we draft him there.
Murray/Booker/Hayward/Love/Len +Archie/Warren/Davis/fatdrunkguyeatingnachos

[bwgood77]

Anyone have any Kyrie or Love deals that might work?

Kyrie for Bledsoe, Tucker, 28?

Chandler and Tucker for Love

That thread you started on the trade forum regarding Chandler has now gotten to the place where people are saying we'd have to give up assets to get rid of him, and that maybe we would give Miami their 2018 pick back to trade him for Josh McRoberts.

I still can't imagine giving assets away to unload a contract unless it's absolutely necessary for cap reasons.

[bwgood77]

Anyone have any Kyrie or Love deals that might work?

Kyrie for Bledsoe, Tucker, 28?

Suns get: Kevin Love/Gordon Hayward

Cavs get: Eric Bledsoe/Tyson Chandler/Trevor Ariza/Trey Lyles

Jazz get: Kyrie Irving + #28

Rockets get: Brandon Knight

Cavs surround Lebron around defensive oriented players. They have a team ready to run with Lebron at the 4, Ariza at the 3, Bledsoe and Shump in the backcourt.

Jazz get great value for Hayward who is expiring after this upcoming season. Lyles is added because Hayward's value dips a bit because of his expiring contract.

Mike DA wants a PG that can shoot the ball. Knight brings that.

Suns get Love and Hayward. Draft Dunn if we want to go more defense, or draft Murray if we want to go for a lights out approach. Deyonta Davis slips to 13 and we draft him there.
Murray/Booker/Hayward/Love/Len +Archie/Warren/Davis/fatdrunkguyeatingnachos

That's not bad value wise for all involved but I don't think the Jazz want to trade Hayward for Kyrie (they mentioned as much in the trade forum). They still have high hopes for Exum.

[darealjuice]

Anyone have any Kyrie or Love deals that might work?

Kyrie for Bledsoe, Tucker, 28?

Chandler and Tucker for Love

That thread you started on the trade forum regarding Chandler has now gotten to the place where people are saying we'd have to give up assets to get rid of him, and that maybe we would give Miami their 2018 pick back to trade him for Josh McRoberts.

I still can't imagine giving assets away to unload a contract unless it's absolutely necessary for cap reasons.

They also said we'd give up Markieff for peanuts, and yet here we are with a lottery pick