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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#421 » by JMac1 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:09 pm

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Joe Pong wrote:
I think you're a classic case of a fan overrating their teams own players. There isn't a player on the team who is more than a marginal starter. It's a team full of role players and guys who should be coming off the bench for at a decent team.


:lol: I think you are a classic example of not understanding a post :lol:

:lol: I think you are a troll :lol:

What does saying the Suns aren't media darlings have to do with overrating the Suns? Saying we aren't the worst team in the league and better than Lakers is overrating the Suns :lol:

:lol: But you saying Bledsoe, Booker, Knight, PJ, Chandler are all bench players on a decent team is ok? :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: I guess you must be talking about GS being a decent team :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Warning for calling someone who troll who obviously isn't and using excessive emoticons implying someone does not understand you when they obviously didn't. The media and vegas doesn't think we are going to be very good because we simply don't have players who are better than marginal starters other than Bledsoe and probably Booker. Booker is coming along nicely but he still is a one way player. But that is two players. Knight is a terrible pg, and is not ideal as a SG. Chandler is over the hill. Is Tucker a great starter? Dudley is a bench player on most every team in the league.



That dude is a troll.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#422 » by No-Man » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:13 pm

So the depth chart as of now is somesort of this?

Bledsoe-Knight-Ulis
Booker-Barbosa-Jenkins
Tucker-Warren-Goodwin
Dudley-Bender-Chriss
Chandler-Len-Williams
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#423 » by JMac1 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:18 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Pong with the 'Paddle'

Wood with a frank take on reality. 8-)

and JMac JMac-ing



Lol. How many teams have two 20 and 5 guys in their back court plus a Devin Booker just for starters?

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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#424 » by JMac1 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:20 pm

Fischella wrote:So the depth chart as of now is somesort of this?

Bledsoe-Knight-Ulis
Booker-Barbosa-Jenkins
Tucker-Warren-Goodwin
Dudley-Bender-Chriss
Chandler-Len-Williams



I'd put Knight at the SG and PG first, he will be the sixth man.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#425 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:45 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
:lol: I think you are a classic example of not understanding a post :lol:

:lol: I think you are a troll :lol:

What does saying the Suns aren't media darlings have to do with overrating the Suns? Saying we aren't the worst team in the league and better than Lakers is overrating the Suns :lol:

:lol: But you saying Bledsoe, Booker, Knight, PJ, Chandler are all bench players on a decent team is ok? :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: I guess you must be talking about GS being a decent team :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Warning for calling someone who troll who obviously isn't and using excessive emoticons implying someone does not understand you when they obviously didn't. The media and vegas doesn't think we are going to be very good because we simply don't have players who are better than marginal starters other than Bledsoe and probably Booker. Booker is coming along nicely but he still is a one way player. But that is two players. Knight is a terrible pg, and is not ideal as a SG. Chandler is over the hill. Is Tucker a great starter? Dudley is a bench player on most every team in the league.



That dude is a troll.


I guess one warning isn't enough? I've seen his posts before, and he is not.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#426 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:00 pm

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bigfoot wrote:I really believe the Suns are going to start the season with an eye on the playoffs. Our situation is so much more positive this year than last without the distraction of the Morri and the players not responding to Horny. Vegas has the Suns and Nets as the worst two teams in the league. That gives fuel to the players.

I don't see a league worst team with Bledsoe back and Dudley replacing the malcontent Kief. Remember that Kief played absolutely horrible last year until Watson took over. Before Bledsoe was injured and while Kief was playing poorly the Suns went 12-19. Booker wasn't playing any substantial minutes either.

Add in a healthy Chandler, Knight, and our new acquisitions in Barbosa, Ulis, Bender, and Chriss plus Alan Williams emergence and we should be very competitive if everyone stays healthy. The team chemistry should be infinitely better than last year. Factoring in all these changes I really don't think playing .500 ball is unrealistic.

So in the case of competing for the playoffs, Bender and Chriss fight for minutes at the backup PF spot. That competition is a good thing. One of them will earn 15-20 minutes per game while Dudley plays 28-30. It's likely both will get an opportunity in the game depending on how they are playing and the match ups.

In the unlikely event we are horrible after 40 games then we can look to move some vets (Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Dudley, Chandler, and Barbs) at the trade deadline and give the rooks more burn.



The Suns are hated by the media, if and when we win the Pacific, that means we beat out four teams from California, two being from LA and one from SF/Oak two huge NBA markets. They could care less about us. 2nd worst team in the league? Ridiculous.

Bledsoe, Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler, Knight, and Booker are all solid players, then you add in PJ. I wonder what the over/under win total is in Vegas, that will tell you what they really think. We are definitely better than the LAL.


Well, it's not just the media that thinks we will be bad. It's Vegas, and obviously that's not bias because they are in the business of making money. And besides the media and Vegas, you have general basketball fans, as you can see here. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1462460
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#427 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:02 pm

letsgosuns wrote:When thinking of what it would take to trade for Russell Westbrook, think of it like the Kevin Love situation. It took two number one picks, Wiggins and Bennett, to trade for Love. However, everyone knows Bennett was arguably already a bust and potentially the worst number one pick ever, so the trade was really about Wiggins. He was the one that was considered the best number one pick in years. Now I personally hold Westbrook in much higher regard than Love. Therefore, considering it took Wiggins to get Love, I cannot imagine what the Thunder's asking price is for Westbrook. Plus, Westbrook still might stay with the Thunder anyway whereas Love was definitely leaving the Timberwolves in free agency. When you put that into perspective, it would take an absolute monster offer to get the Thunder to give up Westbrook.


It's about way more than that. Minnesota could ask that for Love because Cleveland HAD the assets. LeBron was also coming and he wanted Love. Love had also promised to resign, I am sure if it.

Minnesota got an above normal haul for Love.

Westbrook would have to promise to resign with his future team--which he won't do. A superstar on that future team would have to be demanding Westbrook. That future team would have to be an instant contender with a couple #1 overall picks to deal.

So, unless Philly suddenly acquires a superstar that demands to play with Westbrook, I doubt a trade like that will happen again.




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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#428 » by Joe Pong » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:54 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:I really believe the Suns are going to start the season with an eye on the playoffs. Our situation is so much more positive this year than last without the distraction of the Morri and the players not responding to Horny. Vegas has the Suns and Nets as the worst two teams in the league. That gives fuel to the players.

I don't see a league worst team with Bledsoe back and Dudley replacing the malcontent Kief. Remember that Kief played absolutely horrible last year until Watson took over. Before Bledsoe was injured and while Kief was playing poorly the Suns went 12-19. Booker wasn't playing any substantial minutes either.

Add in a healthy Chandler, Knight, and our new acquisitions in Barbosa, Ulis, Bender, and Chriss plus Alan Williams emergence and we should be very competitive if everyone stays healthy. The team chemistry should be infinitely better than last year. Factoring in all these changes I really don't think playing .500 ball is unrealistic.

So in the case of competing for the playoffs, Bender and Chriss fight for minutes at the backup PF spot. That competition is a good thing. One of them will earn 15-20 minutes per game while Dudley plays 28-30. It's likely both will get an opportunity in the game depending on how they are playing and the match ups.

In the unlikely event we are horrible after 40 games then we can look to move some vets (Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Dudley, Chandler, and Barbs) at the trade deadline and give the rooks more burn.



The Suns are hated by the media, if and when we win the Pacific, that means we beat out four teams from California, two being from LA and one from SF/Oak two huge NBA markets. They could care less about us. 2nd worst team in the league? Ridiculous.

Bledsoe, Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler, Knight, and Booker are all solid players, then you add in PJ. I wonder what the over/under win total is in Vegas, that will tell you what they really think. We are definitely better than the LAL.


Well, it's not just the media that thinks we will be bad. It's Vegas, and obviously that's not bias because they are in the business of making money. And besides the media and Vegas, you have general basketball fans, as you can see here. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1462460


This is just a bad roster without a lot of upside. The best young talent on the roster has an upside of being adequate starters at best. There are no young superstars or potential stars who can be the building blocks of a contending team.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#429 » by darealjuice » Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:26 pm

Joe Pong wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:

The Suns are hated by the media, if and when we win the Pacific, that means we beat out four teams from California, two being from LA and one from SF/Oak two huge NBA markets. They could care less about us. 2nd worst team in the league? Ridiculous.

Bledsoe, Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler, Knight, and Booker are all solid players, then you add in PJ. I wonder what the over/under win total is in Vegas, that will tell you what they really think. We are definitely better than the LAL.


Well, it's not just the media that thinks we will be bad. It's Vegas, and obviously that's not bias because they are in the business of making money. And besides the media and Vegas, you have general basketball fans, as you can see here. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1462460


This is just a bad roster without a lot of upside. The best young talent on the roster has an upside of being adequate starters at best. There are no young superstars or potential stars who can be the building blocks of a contending team.

Devin Booker, TJ Warren, Dragan Bender, and Marquese Chriss have adequate starter upside at best? Okay lol
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#430 » by NavLDO » Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:51 pm

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LukasBMW wrote:I love our team and I love the direction we are heading in, BUT a lot...I mean A LOT needs to go right for us to make the playoffs.

We are super super thin on the frontline when you consider our rookies are going to need to grow at a slow pace. We need Alex Len to have a breakout season and we need solid contributions from both Dudley and Chandler.

If Chandler or Dudley gets hurt for an extended period of time and Alex Len does not improve, then it will be basically impossible for us to compete for a playoff spot even if Bledsoe/Knight/Booker play out of their minds.


Remember, Len was a failed experiment by Horny, the last 32 games Len was actually very good. He was just still taking too many 10-16 and 16ft+ range shots that hurt his efficiency AND hurt his defensive prowess. Return Len back to what he does best for a majority of the time, and we'll likely see more of those 14 Dbl-Dbls we saw from him in his last 32 games vs 5 Dbl-Dbls from his first 46 games. Len improved the second Watson took over, and I believe he'll use Len more towards his strengths.

If Watson employs Len properly, which I believe he'll have more freedom to do with our roster construct now and a healthy Warren and addition of Duds (regardless of how you feel about Dudley at PF, he's still better defensively at PF than Mirza was, and Leuer hardly got any minutes after Horny left), then I see no reason why anyone should worry about Len and his performance. Len took too much flak for his game than he deserved last season; you'd think we were starting some bench-level Center with some of the comments made about his game. Again, it was Horny, coupled with Warren's injury, that led to a perceived drop in his performance, which to me, was flatly unwarranted. And once Chriss and/or Bender get into their game at PF, that will only further help our cause.


That's not how I'd write the history of Jeff, Len and Watson. There were a lot of things I'd lay at Hornacek's doorstep but Len's performance isn't one of them. Alex struggled with injuries almost the entire time Jeff had him. Once Jeff was fired Len continued to struggle until his hand got a little better. He averaged fewer than 8 points per in his first 5 games following Jeff's firing and it seemed to me his defense took a dive with the way Watson used him.

I realize Watson moved him to the forward spot in order to get them both minutes but I don't see how it's called a success from any other angle. And IIRC Len couldn't even buy a basket from the 3 to 10 foot range as the season closed out, it wasn't just his long jumpers that weren't falling. AFAIC, he showed far more promise before moving to forward spot then he did under Earl. I still think he can be a good player in this league but I never again want to see him at forward unless we can pair him with a hybrid of Channing Frye and Dikembe Mutombo.


Now, remember my disclaimer, I'm the "I watch highlights" guy, and maybe was able to watch 2 partial games during that timeframe, so I'll defer to your experience; just going by what I remember of what I saw in combination with what the metrics/stats say...and I just re-looked and you are indeed correct. At the rim he was fine, but he was actually better from 16+ than he was 3-10, so I apologize for misreading. So bloody hell, let's make Len a stretch 5 then!! (OK, so he wasn't that much better). But the point is, he seemed to find his game better under Watson than he did Jeff, and yes, it's not all Jeff's fault, so sorry for coming across like it was ALL his fault...I shouldn't blame Jeff, but the circumstances under Watson were better, it seemed, for Len, since aside from his shooting, he played fairly well.

But also remember, Len was feast-or-famine his last few months--he was either really on, or really off, and there wasn't much in between. I guess what I get frustrated about was every time he'd have a 1-10 shooting, 4 TRB game, all the "Len sucks" people would come out, but when he was 8-13 with 15 TRBs, it was 'whistle, whistle, ho-hum'....next game, 2-9 with 5 TRBs, out came the "Len sucks, Len sucks, every other Center from that draft is better" crowd again...to me, that's just unfair. Len was asked to be much more prevalent in the offense than any of these other Centers, and yeah, he had some atrocious games, but c'mon, he's 22 YO! If these other Centers were asked to do what Len was, they'd be just as bad, if not worse, but no, all they have to do is hang around the rim and BLK shots or Dunk the ball...whoop-it-dee-dooo...

So, sorry, I'm a natural apologist for our team and our players...to a fault, I know, but in Len's case, I think we should be patient and see how he fairs under a full season under Watson before laying judgment on him and his abilities.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#431 » by NavLDO » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:17 pm

Joe Pong wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:I really believe the Suns are going to start the season with an eye on the playoffs. Our situation is so much more positive this year than last without the distraction of the Morri and the players not responding to Horny. Vegas has the Suns and Nets as the worst two teams in the league. That gives fuel to the players.

I don't see a league worst team with Bledsoe back and Dudley replacing the malcontent Kief. Remember that Kief played absolutely horrible last year until Watson took over. Before Bledsoe was injured and while Kief was playing poorly the Suns went 12-19. Booker wasn't playing any substantial minutes either.

Add in a healthy Chandler, Knight, and our new acquisitions in Barbosa, Ulis, Bender, and Chriss plus Alan Williams emergence and we should be very competitive if everyone stays healthy. The team chemistry should be infinitely better than last year. Factoring in all these changes I really don't think playing .500 ball is unrealistic.

So in the case of competing for the playoffs, Bender and Chriss fight for minutes at the backup PF spot. That competition is a good thing. One of them will earn 15-20 minutes per game while Dudley plays 28-30. It's likely both will get an opportunity in the game depending on how they are playing and the match ups.

In the unlikely event we are horrible after 40 games then we can look to move some vets (Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Dudley, Chandler, and Barbs) at the trade deadline and give the rooks more burn.



The Suns are hated by the media, if and when we win the Pacific, that means we beat out four teams from California, two being from LA and one from SF/Oak two huge NBA markets. They could care less about us. 2nd worst team in the league? Ridiculous.

Bledsoe, Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler, Knight, and Booker are all solid players, then you add in PJ. I wonder what the over/under win total is in Vegas, that will tell you what they really think. We are definitely better than the LAL.


I think you're a classic case of a fan overrating their teams own players. There isn't a player on the team who is more than a marginal starter. It's a team full of role players and guys who should be coming off the bench for at a decent team.


How so?? Bledsoe missed most of the year--our best player. Booker was a rookie, and will likely improve. Duds shot 42% from 3PT last year on 3 atts/gm. We played more than half the season with a Lame-Duck HC and malcontent at PF. We started 10-12 games with our 4th-string PG, Goodwin, due to injury of Knight and Price. Len played better when given starter minutes, and he'll likely be more comfortable after his first full season without injury. Barbosa is a career 39% 3PT shooter. Tucker is playing in a contract year. So is Goodwin. And then we have 3 new, highly talented rookies that 'might' give us some solid minutes.

He's not overrating the team at all; last year was a disaster. To assume that we have the LOWEST chance to win a championship this year is absurd, and I'll be shocked if we end up with a top-10 worst record in the league. All JMac is saying is that we aren't the worst/2nd worst team in the league; he's not saying we are a lock for the playoffs, or anything.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#432 » by Fo-Real » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:30 pm

To make a conscience decision to tank the coming season, during the summer, months before a season even starts, creates the type of loser attitude, team personality and front office failure that makes the good players you have want to leave and free agents not take you seriously. Play basketball, play to win every time you come to the court. After trying so hard to get players to buy in and build team chemistry, it is bad business to actually hope to lose games while looking at a higher pick at this point. Do I think we have a winning roster, no, but I hope we gel and come out of the gates hot and win games. Whoever preaches tanking right now, today, I think you are a loser at heart.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#433 » by Fo-Real » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:37 pm

Mac, I wouldn't so much call that guy a troll, but yet another negative unless fan ( how you call yourself a fan and have such a negative outlook, I don't know). Looking forward to Booker taking the next step. Looking forward to Len doing the same. I actually want to see what healthy Bledsoe, Tj, and Knight bring, Bledsoe and Knight were VERY fun to watch to start last season. Barbosa will be a breath of fresh air, love him back in the Valley. If team chemistry is right, unlike last year's start (queen Quief, Jeff and the front office), we could surprise some people. Let's suit up and play games before turning our backs, it's called optimism.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#434 » by bigfoot » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:42 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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Joe Pong wrote:
I think you're a classic case of a fan overrating their teams own players. There isn't a player on the team who is more than a marginal starter. It's a team full of role players and guys who should be coming off the bench for at a decent team.


:lol: I think you are a classic example of not understanding a post :lol:

:lol: I think you are a troll :lol:

What does saying the Suns aren't media darlings have to do with overrating the Suns? Saying we aren't the worst team in the league and better than Lakers is overrating the Suns :lol:

:lol: But you saying Bledsoe, Booker, Knight, PJ, Chandler are all bench players on a decent team is ok? :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: I guess you must be talking about GS being a decent team :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Warning for calling someone who troll who obviously isn't and using excessive emoticons implying someone does not understand you when they obviously didn't. The media and vegas doesn't think we are going to be very good because we simply don't have players who are better than marginal starters other than Bledsoe and probably Booker. Booker is coming along nicely but he still is a one way player. But that is two players. Knight is a terrible pg, and is not ideal as a SG. Chandler is over the hill. Is Tucker a great starter? Dudley is a bench player on most every team in the league.


Boo hiss!!! I agree with some light trolling. If Mr Pong can't can't recognize that Bledsoe was playing at a near all-star level, Knight was recognized as a near all-star level player in the east coast, Chandler has been an all-star and all-defensive player and starting on an NBA championship team, and Booker is being recognized as an up and coming star then he is either clueless or ignorant or both.

There are obviously several players that are more than marginal starters. Mr Pong probably only believes that LeBron, Curry, Leonard, Paul, and a few other select superstars warrant a rating above marginal. Classic pessimistic poster and not really a fan of Suns basketball at all unless Steve Nash is around.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#435 » by bigfoot » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:44 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Warning for calling someone who troll who obviously isn't and using excessive emoticons implying someone does not understand you when they obviously didn't. The media and vegas doesn't think we are going to be very good because we simply don't have players who are better than marginal starters other than Bledsoe and probably Booker. Booker is coming along nicely but he still is a one way player. But that is two players. Knight is a terrible pg, and is not ideal as a SG. Chandler is over the hill. Is Tucker a great starter? Dudley is a bench player on most every team in the league.



That dude is a troll.


I guess one warning isn't enough? I've seen his posts before, and he is not.


All six of them?? Three on this particular topic. Too early to judge for me.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#436 » by Years90Suns » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:44 pm

NTB wrote:http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-suns-look-to-build-something-special/

What the Suns look to be building appears to be special. They’re a team that hopes to surprise people next season, even though they won just 23 games last season and head coach Earl Watson is entering his first full campaign on the job.

The Suns struggled for much of last year. It’s clear that Jeff Hornacek lost his players and the team’s energy level dropped off dramatically. There was a period last season when the team posted just nine wins over a span of 46 games. With a core of Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Alex Len, T.J. Warren and Devin Booker, this was a team that many thought could compete for a playoff spot in the West.

Watson took over on an interim basis late last season and began to instill his philosophy. There were no guarantees that he would become the team’s permanent head coach, but he was operating as if the job was his. The team won just nine games with Watson at the helm, but it was apparent that the players loved Watson as head coach.

His time as a player earned him instant respect. The Suns brought Watson to their meeting to help recruit LaMarcus Aldridge last summer. Aldridge later said he nearly chose Phoenix before ultimately agreeing to sign with the San Antonio Spurs. Watson is trying to instill a winning atmosphere with the Suns, but he has his players buying into his system.

“I haven’t been a player under him, but you can tell how genuine [he is] and how he believes in himself,” Dudley said of Watson. “I see that in Jason Kidd in a sense of he knows what he’s good at. You can tell he’s very highly prepared, and he’s a player’s coach. His confidence is high and he’s real big when it comes to the whole family aspect. He really believes in if you’re successful off of the floor, you’ll be [successful] on the floor. I can respect that and I’m just here to help in any way that I can.”

A huge contingent of Suns players were on hand in Las Vegas this week to watch Phoenix’s Summer League team. Players like Bledsoe, Knight, Len, Dudley and Coach Watson were among those in attendance. Some teams and players view the Summer League as a chance to begin building chemistry for the next season. The team even organized a mini training camp in San Diego prior to the Summer League a few weeks ago.

The team has a great young core in place that seems poised to take the next step in their development. They have a ton of depth on the roster and look strong at nearly every position, while also having a good balance of youth and experience.

It’s reasonable to believe that the Suns’ road back to the top of the West will take some time. Every team in the conference faces an uphill battle to dethrone the Golden State Warriors as the top team. But with the group of guys in place in Phoenix, they’re perfectly fine with that challenge.


I do believe we have a much better roster than most experts say and I think we will be far from that bottom or top-4 bottom place some are saying we will get.
People forget we played without Bledsoe and Warren for a long period of time, that Len also had some problems, Knight was also out for some games and Booker exploded when the season had already played 35-40 games.
We have signed three good rookies that will contribute during the year.
And for sure Booker, Warren and Len had improved.
Goodwin should be a better player and Dudley and Barbosa are proven veterans, as PJ, who will contribute. But mainly Chandler will be a good defensive stopper and veteran who teaches everybody.
We also have a fine coach in his first whole year.
So I believe the future seems to be bright and I believe we will fight for a PO appereance.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread 

Post#437 » by saintEscaton » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:44 pm

Joe Pong wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:I really believe the Suns are going to start the season with an eye on the playoffs. Our situation is so much more positive this year than last without the distraction of the Morri and the players not responding to Horny. Vegas has the Suns and Nets as the worst two teams in the league. That gives fuel to the players.

I don't see a league worst team with Bledsoe back and Dudley replacing the malcontent Kief. Remember that Kief played absolutely horrible last year until Watson took over. Before Bledsoe was injured and while Kief was playing poorly the Suns went 12-19. Booker wasn't playing any substantial minutes either.

Add in a healthy Chandler, Knight, and our new acquisitions in Barbosa, Ulis, Bender, and Chriss plus Alan Williams emergence and we should be very competitive if everyone stays healthy. The team chemistry should be infinitely better than last year. Factoring in all these changes I really don't think playing .500 ball is unrealistic.

So in the case of competing for the playoffs, Bender and Chriss fight for minutes at the backup PF spot. That competition is a good thing. One of them will earn 15-20 minutes per game while Dudley plays 28-30. It's likely both will get an opportunity in the game depending on how they are playing and the match ups.

In the unlikely event we are horrible after 40 games then we can look to move some vets (Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Dudley, Chandler, and Barbs) at the trade deadline and give the rooks more burn.



The Suns are hated by the media, if and when we win the Pacific, that means we beat out four teams from California, two being from LA and one from SF/Oak two huge NBA markets. They could care less about us. 2nd worst team in the league? Ridiculous.

Bledsoe, Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler, Knight, and Booker are all solid players, then you add in PJ. I wonder what the over/under win total is in Vegas, that will tell you what they really think. We are definitely better than the LAL.


I think you're a classic case of a fan overrating their teams own players. There isn't a player on the team who is more than a marginal starter. It's a team full of role players and guys who should be coming off the bench for at a decent team.


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Post#438 » by bigfoot » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:50 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Mac, I wouldn't so much call that guy a troll, but yet another negative unless fan ( how you call yourself a fan and have such a negative outlook, I don't know). Looking forward to Booker taking the next step. Looking forward to Len doing the same. I actually want to see what healthy Bledsoe, Tj, and Knight bring, Bledsoe and Knight were VERY fun to watch to start last season. Barbosa will be a breath of fresh air, love him back in the Valley. If team chemistry is right, unlike last year's start (queen Quief, Jeff and the front office), we could surprise some people. Let's suit up and play games before turning our backs, it's called optimism.


Definition of a troll to me is some one who hasn't posted much and comes in spouting negative crap before introducing themselves or contributing the board in any meaningful way. I'd welcome the dude to hang around ... maybe just start off with a bit more tact.
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Post#439 » by letsgosuns » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:54 pm

I hope the Suns make the playoffs, even as an 8th seed. They already have enough young players that I believe are a great foundation to become a contending team one day. It is time they start growing and winning games. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Booker, Len, Warren, Goodwin, Bender, Chriss, and Ulis are all between 18-23. Seven players that age is a lot of young guys. And I think they all have potential to be impact players. I also think some of them have a chance to be all stars, and I am not talking many years from now. I think within a couple years from now.

The fact some fans already want to tank a full season blows me away. It is only July. I was all for tanking last year halfway through the season because the team was terrible and we all knew they sucked. The makeup of the team was awful. It was the worst Suns season I ever saw. I feel the complete opposite about the team now. These are the most exciting Suns young players since 2004. Apparently the national media even sees it more than some of you fans. Lots of praise from writers of different teams and analysts about the Summer Suns.

Some people said it is not even fair that Booker was playing in the Summer League because he is the best player out there and runs circles around everyone else. Funny because I do not recall any media guy saying that about D'Angelo Russell who was the number two pick in the draft last year. Yet literally everyone was going crazy for Booker. Pretty awesome when people say a 19 year old player is way too good to play in the Summer League. Then there are people saying Bender is the most impressive rookie in the draft. So the Suns have multiple young guys that many people are super high on yet some fans want the team to purposefully lose games before training camp starts. Idk what to say to those fans. I guess they like having high lottery picks every year and reading mock drafts more than watching their own team win games.
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Post#440 » by bigfoot » Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:55 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
Joe Pong wrote:
JMac1 wrote:

The Suns are hated by the media, if and when we win the Pacific, that means we beat out four teams from California, two being from LA and one from SF/Oak two huge NBA markets. They could care less about us. 2nd worst team in the league? Ridiculous.

Bledsoe, Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler, Knight, and Booker are all solid players, then you add in PJ. I wonder what the over/under win total is in Vegas, that will tell you what they really think. We are definitely better than the LAL.


I think you're a classic case of a fan overrating their teams own players. There isn't a player on the team who is more than a marginal starter. It's a team full of role players and guys who should be coming off the bench for at a decent team.


Welcome and don't mind the "seasoned vets", you are probably wiser than those who look down upon you. JMac is as guilty as anyone of your accused offense


I doubt it considering he hasn't made but six posts and take that freaking bag off your head dude. It's clouding your thoughts.

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