Draft Discussion Part 3

RaisingArizona · Post #421 » by **RaisingArizona** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 4:02 am

But what if Jackson is off the board when the Suns pick? Who makes sense there? Dudley has opinions for a contingency plan.
“(Duke’s Jayson) Tatum is a scorer. (Florida State’s Jonathan) Isaac, to me, he has the most potential. You have someone like (Kentucky’s De’Aaron) Fox, you have someone like (NC State’s Dennis) Smith,” he said. “For me, when it comes to who can win a championship, if they all reach their potential, to me, Isaac has the most potential.”

OGBAH · Post #422 » by **OGBAH** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 4:18 am

ive talked myself into and out of the top 6 players in this draft I officially don't care who we draft... I don't even know at this point who I even want
I just need it to be over lol

Post #423 » by **ATTL** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 4:46 am

OGBAH wrote:ive talked myself into and out of the top 6 players in this draft I officially don't care who we draft... I don't even know at this point who I even want
I just need it to be over lol

I just need to know who to blindly root for

Post #424 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 5:34 am

ATTL wrote:
OGBAH wrote:ive talked myself into and out of the top 6 players in this draft I officially don't care who we draft... I don't even know at this point who I even want
I just need it to be over lol

I just need to know who to blindly root for

Just root for us picking the right guy. None of us know for sure..not even McD. Sure some will say they trust him, but he has had a mixed bag. You can view trading for Knight assessing him as more valuable than a likely lotto pick and potentially a VERY high one...bad..you can think of Len,

Goodwin over Harris and Hood...many assume he took Ennis to try and force a trade with Toronto which would excuse him for it being a bad rookie GM move. For those who think he didn't try that and thought Ennis was the best talent on the board, that is worse...a big fail.

Warren and Booker good picks, but rumor was he wanted Kaminsky or Stein over Booker but they were gone....but we can ignore rumors, even though rumors were we wanted Chriss and Bender and couldn't decide and we ended up with both (exactly what they become compared to what others become taken later is obviously going to take time to assess). So basically since the Booker pick, he looks good. And he is good at trading except for the Knight trade which was terrible and the Thomas trade is arguable, but with hindsight most think it was bad. He seems infatuated with Kentucky guards, and they have been hit or miss.

Saberestar · Post #425 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 5:40 am

Read on Twitter

Post #426 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 5:48 am

Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

What a wildcard this guy is.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #427 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 6:14 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

What a wildcard this guy is.

Take Jackson or isaac at 4 and then find a way to get back in the late lotto for french frank. That could be the foundation of a good young versatile d with bender and chriss.

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thamadkant · Post #428 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 6:24 am

Ntilikina is a physical marvel, but so is Reggie Jackson who is 6'4 with 7'0 wingspan, McRae who is 6'5 with 7'1 wingspan etc.

If he is aggressive and super athletic with skills he might be a Shumpert clone.

thamadkant · Post #429 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 6:32 am

Ball would be a sight on the Suns... a creative play maker who thrives setting up players and with range... reminds you of someone?

Sure Lavar is a fool, but his son is not so bad and very talented.

Damkac · Post #430 » by **Damkac** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 7:19 am

Could we draft Ball and send his dad to the moon?

Ryu · Post #431 » by **Ryu** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 7:29 am

1UPZ wrote:Ball would be a sight on the Suns... a creative play maker who thrives setting up players and with range... reminds you of someone?

Sure Lavar is a fool, but his son is not so bad and very talented.

If Ball is available you take him and don`t think twice. Players like him who make teammates better and make the team to click are rarity.

My board:

1. Ball
2. Jackson
3. Fox
4. Tatum
5. Isaac

Mulhollanddrive · Post #432 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 10:02 am

Hard to see Ntilikina getting here, would essentially have to trade Bledsoe for him.

Post #433 » by **Qwigglez** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 10:39 am

JMac1 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Sunzgunz wrote:
As crazy as his daddy is, heck I don't even think ball is ad NBA ready as some might suggest, I think fox is better suited to play significant minutes, if he's there u gotta grab him? True point guards are a dying breed.

He reminds me of a young John stockton, right down to the hitch in his jumper, well in this case a wind up.

Is ok that I just compared a black player to a white one ?

Not sure how you came up with that comparison since Stockton may be the best passer ever and Fox isn't much of a passer, and Stockton could shoot and Fox can't. Fox averaged about as many assists as Knight in college and had was a far worse shooter.

You really don't like Fox.

I'm not mad. I can see why. You don't trust his shooting and that is understandable. When I listen to you about Fox, I prefer Tatum over him. When I envision Fox shooting better, I want Fox....but that could be fools gold. Same with Jackson.....which leads me back to Monk and Tatum.

But since there is a possibility that their shooting could get better, and you don't want to be on that train who passed them by, then it puts pressure on you to pick one of Fox or Jackson.

Someone is going to bust. I don't want that guy. If someone is a better player, but we still get a stud.....I'm cool. We didn't get KAT but we got Book. That's what I want.

I think I prefer Monk over Fox if we were going the point guard route. I prefer Ball over both of them if Ball ended up not getting selected with the 1st 3 picks.
I believe Kerrsed mentioned in a previous page but I'm just not down to take any PG"s that can't shoot. In the modern NBA, you just gotta be able to shoot. Fox and Jackson scare me because of this.

Saberestar · Post #434 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 10:55 am

Monk said he exchanges text messages with Ulis every other day and with Booker at least once a week.

“It’s crazy all of them are here at once,” he said. “If I get here I’d be happy here.”

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2017/06/06/phoenix-suns-kentucky-malik-monk-workout/374481001/

Not crazy at all to pick Monk at #4, but I would prefer Jackson obviously if he is available.

I think that at the end of the day the draft will not have too many surprises, and Fultz, Ball and Jackson are gonna be gone when we pick.

At #4 I would be OK with anyone from Monk, Fox and Isaac. I like Tatum too, but a litlle bit less than those other three.

Isaac seems to have more upside than anyone...probably my pick at this moment.

Saberestar · Post #435 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 11:03 am

Jonathan Isaac recently participated in a one-on-one exhibition for the Boston Celtics in Las Vegas. He was pitted up against former Louisiana Tech bigman Erik McCree.

The Celtics are doing their due diligence with draft prospects, but they are leaning towards selecting Markelle Fultz with the top selection. Isaac could be in consideration for Boston if they trade down.

Isaac will likely only work out for teams that have selections towards the top of the draft.

http://www.nolegameday.com/2017/06/07/florida-state-basketball-offseason-notes/

He has worked out for us already.

Post #436 » by **Qwigglez** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 11:30 am

I know every team is just doing their due diligence on all prospects, but I feel certain the Lakers aren't going to pass on Ball.

Read on Twitter

Biggest wild card is what are the Sixers going to do with their pick. I think all this chatter of Fox moving up in mock drafts won't actually happen, mostly because his low FG%. I think scouts are going to look at previous drafts and see a trend of defensive PG's taken in the lottery who still can't shoot in the league (Mudiay, Smart, Exum, Payton, Burke, Dunn).

Ghost of Kleine · Post #437 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 11:48 am

ginobiliflops wrote:But what if Jackson is off the board when the Suns pick? Who makes sense there? Dudley has opinions for a contingency plan.
“(Duke’s Jayson) Tatum is a scorer. (Florida State’s Jonathan) Isaac, to me, he has the most potential. You have someone like (Kentucky’s De’Aaron) Fox, you have someone like (NC State’s Dennis) Smith,” he said. “For me, when it comes to who can win a championship, if they all reach their potential, to me, Isaac has the most potential.”

Isaac surely does have immense potential for his size, mobility, and scoring versatility, especially in a "run and gun" type of system, Such as our team excels in. For me, A great get would be (If Jackson were indeed off the boar) Taking Fox(If He's there still at #4) And then trading Bledsoe and a sweetener, to Sacramento for their 5th and 10th pick, Then grabbing Jonathan Isaac with the 5th pick, and either Lauri Markannen or Zach Collins at #10.

So essentially, If done correctly, We could walk away on draft night with Fox, Isaac, And either Markannen or Zach Collins added to our already talented core of youngsters. Could you imagine our size and shooting versatility in the frontcourt? It surely would be fun to watch.

Saberestar · Post #438 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 12:11 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:But what if Jackson is off the board when the Suns pick? Who makes sense there? Dudley has opinions for a contingency plan.
“(Duke’s Jayson) Tatum is a scorer. (Florida State’s Jonathan) Isaac, to me, he has the most potential. You have someone like (Kentucky’s De’Aaron) Fox, you have someone like (NC State’s Dennis) Smith,” he said. “For me, when it comes to who can win a championship, if they all reach their potential, to me, Isaac has the most potential.”

Isaac surely does have immense potential for his size, mobility, and scoring versatility, especially in a "run and gun" type of system, Such as our team excels in. For me, A great get would be (If Jackson were indeed off the boar) Taking Fox(If He's there still at #4) And then trading Bledsoe and a sweetener, to Sacramento for their 5th and 10th pick, Then grabbing Jonathan Isaac with the 5th pick, and either Lauri Markannen or Zach Collins at #10.

So essentially, If done correctly, We could walk away on draft night with Fox, Isaac, And either Markannen or Zach Collins added to our already talented core of youngsters. Could you imagine our size and shooting versatility in the frontcourt? It surely would be fun to watch.

Sacramento trading his two picks for Bledsoe and a sweetener? No way they do that. No way.

blacksun · Post #439 » by **blacksun** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 12:31 pm

It would be perfect if Sac trades the 5th and 10th for PHI's 3rd for Fox. Then Jackson can fall to us at 4th.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #440 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 12:50 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
ATTL wrote:
OGBAH wrote:ive talked myself into and out of the top 6 players in this draft I officially don't care who we draft... I don't even know at this point who I even want
I just need it to be over lol

I just need to know who to blindly root for

Just root for us picking the right guy. None of us know for sure..not even McD. Sure some will say they trust him, but he has had a mixed bag. You can view trading for Knight assessing him as more valuable than a likely lotto pick and potentially a VERY high one...bad..you can think of Len, Goodwin over Harris and Hood...many assume he took Ennis to try and force a trade with Toronto which would excuse him for it being a bad rookie GM move. For those who think he didn't try that and thought Ennis was the best talent on the board, that is worse...a big fail.

Warren and Booker good picks, but rumor was he wanted Kaminsky or Stein over Booker but they were gone....but we can ignore rumors, even though rumors were we wanted Chriss and Bender and couldn't decide and we ended up with both (exactly what they become compared to what others become taken later is obviously going to take time to assess). So basically since the Booker pick, he looks good. And he is good at trading except for the Knight trade which was terrible and the Thomas trade is arguable, but with hindsight most think it was bad. He seems infatuated with Kentucky guards, and they have been hit or miss.

Goodwin was still a good gamble at #29 (I think you meant Ennis over Harris and Hood). The '13 draft was such a crapshoot that I can't be mad about drafting Len. I liked Len, Zeller, Bennett and Oladipo at the top of that draft (yeesh!). That '14 draft was full of wildcards. Advanced stats loved Jordan Adams. SF prospects like Early, McDaniels, Grant and Robinson III were beloved by several draft enthusiasts. They all went behind an unconventional big man named Mitch McGary and ahead of another unconventional big man named Nikola Jokic. I wanted Kyle Anderson at #18 (but we passed on him twice!). I didn't like Ennis before the draft, but you can see how good I am at these things but looking at my list of '03 targets.

bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

What a wildcard this guy is.

I'd love to find a way to turn this #4 pick into Z. Collins and Ntilikina. I assume some of these teams are truly enthusiastic about Tatum and Isaac. And I get it! But I'd be much happier adding these two to our bench to learn for a year or two and to grow with our core guys. I really like how they interview. They seem to be the type of players who will fit in and put in the work. Guys like Fox and Isaac are much bigger gambles, in my view. Who knows if they'll be able to put things together. Physically and mentally, Collins and Ntilkina seem to have it. Plus, they wouldn't need PT right away - which is good, because we don't have a lot to offer next season.

Who would you rather have, Jackson or Tatum?