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Re: 2019 College Basketball and Draft Discussion 

Post#421 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:36 pm

Blonde wrote:I look at Reddish vs Barrett the same way I looked at Jackson vs Tatum in the draft. I wouldn’t be surprised if Reddish ends up a better pro than Barrett, but the diversity of skillset and mentality makes me value Barrett more. That’s why I preferred Jackson two years ago, even though he had more questions around his game. That being said, I think Barrett is easily the best wing prospect out of those 4, and outside of Doncic he’s my favorite wing prospect in the last 5 years. He blows out Wiggins/Jabari/Ingram who were heavily praised coming out.

I’m not sure Reddish can ever be a primary option, dynamic ball handler/distributer, or lockdown defender. And if he can never achieve those then where is the value in him being a top 5 pick? Can his reported lack of passion be trusted on this team? Barrett looks way more comfortable and fluid bringing the ball up court and initiating offense when you watch Duke games. He’s the main initiator and scorer as a freshman on the best team in the country, and seems to be stepping up without Zion.

There is real talent in this draft. Reddish is a legit prospect too. Morant has his fans, and I’m teetering on how I feel about him. Though I can guarantee you that if Barrett was playing for Murray State without any other 5 star recruits he’d be averaging a crazier statline than Morant. There will always be late risers too. I’m not even mentioning Garland who looked special in the games he played, nor Hunter who I would have taken in the lottery last year and has improved every facet of his game.

Point being we should be very careful about trading our pick. It’s not even about falling in love with a prospect, it’s about not making a rash decision at the expense a sustainable future. Yes - we made a mistake bringing on 5 rookies last year. But I think it’s wisest to move some of the current guys for established talent, then supplement that with another top pick.


Blonde wrote:I look at Reddish vs Barrett the same way I looked at Jackson vs Tatum in the draft. I wouldn’t be surprised if Reddish ends up a better pro than Barrett, but the diversity of skillset and mentality makes me value Barrett more. That’s why I preferred Jackson two years ago, even though he had more questions around his game. That being said, I think Barrett is easily the best wing prospect out of those 4, and outside of Doncic he’s my favorite wing prospect in the last 5 years. He blows out Wiggins/Jabari/Ingram who were heavily praised coming out.

I’m not sure Reddish can ever be a primary option, dynamic ball handler/distributer, or lockdown defender. And if he can never achieve those then where is the value in him being a top 5 pick? Can his reported lack of passion be trusted on this team? Barrett looks way more comfortable and fluid bringing the ball up court and initiating offense when you watch Duke games. He’s the main initiator and scorer as a freshman on the best team in the country, and seems to be stepping up without Zion.

There is real talent in this draft. Reddish is a legit prospect too. Morant has his fans, and I’m teetering on how I feel about him. Though I can guarantee you that if Barrett was playing for Murray State without any other 5 star recruits he’d be averaging a crazier statline than Morant. There will always be late risers too. I’m not even mentioning Garland who looked special in the games he played, nor Hunter who I would have taken in the lottery last year and has improved every facet of his game.

Point being we should be very careful about trading our pick. It’s not even about falling in love with a prospect, it’s about not making a rash decision at the expense a sustainable future. Yes - we made a mistake bringing on 5 rookies last year. But I think it’s wisest to move some of the current guys for established talent, then supplement that with another top pick.


Very good post. Interesting you bring up Tatum and Reddish because I was thinking a lot what I read about him reminds me of what was being said about Tatum pre draft.

You're a little higher on Barrett than I am but he did dominate some of the pre college all star games and I do wonder of we'd be looking at him differently had he not had to share the court with a monster like Zion.

While I'm ok trading the pick in the right deal I do agree they need to be careful trading the pick. If they think this guy can be better than some of the other young guys you make the pick and move on from some of the other guys.

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Re: 2019 College Basketball and Draft Discussion 

Post#422 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:56 am

They need to do a Zion reality show where he just a bunch of unreal ****.

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Re: 2019 College Basketball and Draft Discussion 

Post#423 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Mar 1, 2019 4:11 pm

The Athletic Article on Ja and some of the other non-freshmen in this class.

https://theathletic.com/829479/2019/02/27/nba-draft-college-coaches-poll-the-potential-lottery-upperclassmen/

Loved this quote on Ja from an opposing coach:

“Lottery pick (laughs). The thing that was impressive was that I thought we did a decent job of guarding him in the first half. But then in the second half, he won the game for them.

“Everyone can watch the highlight dunks, the assists, but in person, the thing that was most impressive to me was his will to compete and his will to win. That was just as impressive as the dozens of his highlight dunks, which are good, by the way. But he had that look in his eye saying, we’re not losing this **** game. He just went out and made play after play.”
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Post#424 » by Damkac » Fri Mar 1, 2019 10:37 pm

Just run Tankathon once and the Suns got 1st pick. That's a good sign that they are getting Zion so Jones has valuable asset to trade to the Lakers for Lonzo!

And the Lakers jumped to 4th #thelotteryisrigged
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Post#426 » by Bogyo » Sat Mar 2, 2019 7:15 pm

Dedrick Lawson had himself a game again. Possible 31st pick, I would be OK with him there, easy.
PJ Washington up against Grant Williams now, one could slide to 31st as well...
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Post#427 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Mar 3, 2019 7:19 pm

Thoughts on Garland? If they're sitting at like 5 and can't find a trade seems like a realistic option. I haven't watched anything but a few highlights but the write ups on his seem to make him out as a pretty well rounded offensive PG, smart, good competitor.

Now he's young and not a guy who should start next year but if they feel he's PBA and a clearly better prospect than Okobo or Melton then make the pick.

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Post#428 » by Djedefre » Sun Mar 3, 2019 7:44 pm

I brought up Garland several times already. Kinda scared of Temetrius and his development which seems to me right now like a long and painful process similar to Jackson's. Before the season start, Garland was pretty much a consensus #1 PG i this class, and he really delivered until that cursed injury. Average vision and passing ability but excels at shooting, off ball play and creating for himself. Already said i'm totally down with the idea of trading down and picking him in that 7-10 range.

Gotta be honest, I do not like this class at all. We have Zion who still bears a ton of question marks, Barrett and Reddish who both disappointed, Little who was touted as a top4 prospect and showed close to nothing, Langford who is solid but nothing special and a whole bunch of sophomores/juniors that rose very high (maybe even historically) because of the poor performance by many frosh prospects. So many players in the 1st round with ROLE PLAYER written on their foreheads.
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Post#429 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Mar 3, 2019 8:19 pm

Djedefre wrote:I brought up Garland several times already. Kinda scared of Temetrius and his development which seems to me right now like a long and painful process similar to Jackson's. Before the season start, Garland was pretty much a consensus #1 PG i this class, and he really delivered until that cursed injury. Average vision and passing ability but excels at shooting, off ball play and creating for himself. Already said i'm totally down with the idea of trading down and picking him in that 7-10 range.

Gotta be honest, I do not like this class at all. We have Zion who still bears a ton of question marks, Barrett and Reddish who both disappointed, Little who was touted as a top4 prospect and showed close to nothing, Langford who is solid but nothing special and a whole bunch of sophomores/juniors that rose very high (maybe even historically) because of the poor performance by many frosh prospects. So many players in the 1st round with ROLE PLAYER written on their foreheads.
Yeah I agree on this class not doing much for me. That scares me in regards to trying to trade the pick because I'm not sure teams are going to love these guys enough to trade a good vet and jump up in this draft.

As far as the upper class men I guess in some ways that's ok for Phoenix. Sure maybe you only get a role player but they should in theory be ready sooner and give you production on a rookie deal.

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Post#430 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 4, 2019 12:46 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Thoughts on Garland? If they're sitting at like 5 and can't find a trade seems like a realistic option. I haven't watched anything but a few highlights but the write ups on his seem to make him out as a pretty well rounded offensive PG, smart, good competitor.

Now he's young and not a guy who should start next year but if they feel he's PBA and a clearly better prospect than Okobo or Melton then make the pick.

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I know a number of scouts personally who have him higher than Morant, though I think it's tough to judge with only a few games.
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Post#431 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 4, 2019 12:50 am

Djedefre wrote:I brought up Garland several times already. Kinda scared of Temetrius and his development which seems to me right now like a long and painful process similar to Jackson's. Before the season start, Garland was pretty much a consensus #1 PG i this class, and he really delivered until that cursed injury. Average vision and passing ability but excels at shooting, off ball play and creating for himself. Already said i'm totally down with the idea of trading down and picking him in that 7-10 range.

Gotta be honest, I do not like this class at all. We have Zion who still bears a ton of question marks, Barrett and Reddish who both disappointed, Little who was touted as a top4 prospect and showed close to nothing, Langford who is solid but nothing special and a whole bunch of sophomores/juniors that rose very high (maybe even historically) because of the poor performance by many frosh prospects. So many players in the 1st round with ROLE PLAYER written on their foreheads.


What makes you think Temetrius is a long and painful process? Are you that worried about his shot? Turnovers? I mean he hasn't shot well, and I know there are questions but he is a very good FT shooter which is better than say Barrett, as an indication that shot will come around. And his 3pt shooting has gotten better in conference play at 37% which is encouraging (though maybe conference play is easier yet more recent).
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Post#432 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Mar 4, 2019 3:40 pm

Would a good Garland comp be like Mike Conley? Similar build and a guy who does a lot of things well but isn't a super flashy player?

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Would a good Garland comp be like Mike Conley? Similar build and a guy who does a lot of things well but isn't a super flashy player?

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Garland reminds me of Jammer Nelson
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Post#434 » by bwgood77 » Tue Mar 5, 2019 10:01 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Would a good Garland comp be like Mike Conley? Similar build and a guy who does a lot of things well but isn't a super flashy player?

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Garland reminds me of Jammer Nelson


What makes you guys compare him to those guys? He's only played in a handful of games. You basing this off high school? You expect Garland to be all star quality? Though I guess Conley hasn't made it, though he maybe should have and Nelson only made it once.
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Post#435 » by Roddy B for 3 » Tue Mar 5, 2019 10:44 pm

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Roddy B for 3 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Would a good Garland comp be like Mike Conley? Similar build and a guy who does a lot of things well but isn't a super flashy player?

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Garland reminds me of Jammer Nelson


What makes you guys compare him to those guys? He's only played in a handful of games. You basing this off high school? You expect Garland to be all star quality? Though I guess Conley hasn't made it, though he maybe should have and Nelson only made it once.


I think Neson is a high end comp.

To me he just looks like a shooter who can set up an offense.

If he puts the work in work I think he'll be a Derrick Fisher/Nelson type.

I've watched probably 4 5 minute videos of him.
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Post#436 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Mar 5, 2019 11:37 pm

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Roddy B for 3 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Would a good Garland comp be like Mike Conley? Similar build and a guy who does a lot of things well but isn't a super flashy player?

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Garland reminds me of Jammer Nelson


What makes you guys compare him to those guys? He's only played in a handful of games. You basing this off high school? You expect Garland to be all star quality? Though I guess Conley hasn't made it, though he maybe should have and Nelson only made it once.
I was just looking for a good size and skill set comp

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Post#437 » by darealjuice » Wed Mar 6, 2019 2:55 am

Man Cam Reddish has not even come close to living up to expectations this year. He’s definitely not taking advantage of the gap left by Zion since his injury. Curious to see where he ends up getting drafted.
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Post#438 » by DirtyDez » Wed Mar 6, 2019 5:06 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Would a good Garland comp be like Mike Conley? Similar build and a guy who does a lot of things well but isn't a super flashy player?

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Post#439 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Mar 6, 2019 10:40 pm

One of the things that we really need to address is more sharpshooters for our lineup.


Now again, considering the low contractual cost of young 2nd round players , I think we should look at two guys in:

Fletcher McGee and Eric Paschall.

Both have unique skillsets and Fletcher McGee can really shoot the three, as well as anyone on the court. And at 6'4 has decent size at the point.


Fletcher McGee- https://www.fletchermagee.com . He's hitting around 42% of his threes, and close to 92% on his free throws.

https://youtu.be/CHHkpoIHqqM .
https://youtu.be/YDes7RL5aT8 .



Eric paschall- at 6'9 225 lbs ( in the mold of a Draymond Green) is strong and versatile and can also hit the 3 and rebound well.
He averages 16 points/ 6 rebounds, But is also hitting 48% of his fgs' and also 36% on his threes.
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Post#440 » by islanders11040 » Sat Mar 9, 2019 3:42 am

Ja Morant on ESPNU right now. has first 14 of teams 16 pts. Its Murray st conference semi final. Check it out.

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