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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#421 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:18 pm

kennydorglas wrote:If Cam thomas is there at 29, do we draft him?
He looks like the most intriguing project in this class.


He's apparently the best iso scorer in the draft. How he is undersized, has poor efficiency % 40 Fg% and 32% three point %. And a 6. 3 BPM.
Still, I might consider him, As he has the potential to become somewhat of a Bradley Beal/ Lou Williams scorer. Although I would honestly lean more towards Tre Mann as he offers better playmaking potential, And better shooting metrics. :dontknow:
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Post#422 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:23 pm

Finally took a look at this draft the past couple days. My impression is basically the opposite of my impression of last years draft, if you're picking top 4 you feel great about what you'll land but if your 5-15 well I wouldn't feel so great. Last year I thought the top stunk but the middle range was pretty good.

Now a year later I like Ball and Edwards way way more now than as prospects.

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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#423 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:48 pm

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kennydorglas wrote:If Cam thomas is there at 29, do we draft him?
He looks like the most intriguing project in this class.


He plays about zero defense, but he's definitely an interesting offensive prospect. I don't think he's the James Jones type though.


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In all seriousness, we could definitely use someone to draw fouls and get a bucket. Defense is lacking, as is his fit next to other Cam (Payne). Still, we could use his skills.
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Post#424 » by LV-Suns » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:53 pm

I think I like Miles McBride the most out of the little research I have done. Good 3 pt shooter, great assist to turnover ratio and has a 6'9 wingspan. His finishing looks like a concern though. I hope we don't draft a big. Bigs usually picked this late are massive projects, it would take a few years for them to even crack the rotation. Rather pickup someone like McGee for cheap instead.
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#425 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:03 pm

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Interesting chart. 2nd pick.. woof

16-20 has been a bad zone for some reason.

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And 26-30 better in franchise players than a few of the previous ranges as well as a lot better in high rotation guys...seems more high rotation guys than any pick all the way back to 4.
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Post#426 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:09 pm

Best case scenario for me is that Jared Butler drops. If not him, I'd be pretty happy with most of the point guards around that range or Queta.

Here are Schmitz/Givony rankings:

Their top PGs...

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/pg

They have Springer as the 7th best PG and ranked 29th overall.

They only have 3 Cs ranked above where we pick. Their C rankings.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/c

Overall rankings.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#427 » by kennydorglas » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:18 pm

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kennydorglas wrote:If Cam thomas is there at 29, do we draft him?
He looks like the most intriguing project in this class.


He's apparently the best iso scorer in the draft. How he is undersized, has poor efficiency % 40 Fg% and 32% three point %. And a 6. 3 BPM.
Still, I might consider him, As he has the potential to become somewhat of a Bradley Beal/ Lou Williams scorer. Although I would honestly lean more towards Tre Mann as he offers better playmaking potential, And better shooting metrics. :dontknow:


Only Hyland has a better projected NBA3 than him in this class.
He's definitely a Lou Williams type right now, might be more than that once he matures.
Definitely a sleeper material with a crazy good floor.
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Post#428 » by saintEscaton » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:20 pm

Give me Butler(his heart condition concerns has him dropping him to us he is a great kid with killer work ethic and would be a gift), Mann or Dosunmu
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Post#429 » by cberry78 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:17 pm

If you're going into this draft with the mindset of drafting to replace Torrey Craig, you're doing it wrong - just resign Nader (and there's a very strong chance we'll have both Craig and Nader on our roster next season anyway).

If you're going into this draft with the mindset of "you can't teach height", you're doing it wrong - the Alex Len method of drafting hasn't been too favorable to us in the past.

There are probably 10-ish players slotted into the end of the 1st, the start of the 2nd that: 1) fit the needs of this team, and 2) are the types of players Jones/Monty are looking for. While I have my preferences on who this team will draft at 29 - I know for a fact that the brain trust that is running this organization knows a HE|_|_ of a lot more about basketball than anyone else on this forum and I will trust their judgment.

(But man, it sure does feel weird to be agreeing with saintEscaton :lol: :lol: :lol: )
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Post#430 » by BobbieL » Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:40 pm

cberry78 wrote:If you're going into this draft with the mindset of drafting to replace Torrey Craig, you're doing it wrong - just resign Nader (and there's a very strong chance we'll have both Craig and Nader on our roster next season anyway).

If you're going into this draft with the mindset of "you can't teach height", you're doing it wrong - the Alex Len method of drafting hasn't been too favorable to us in the past.

There are probably 10-ish players slotted into the end of the 1st, the start of the 2nd that: 1) fit the needs of this team, and 2) are the types of players Jones/Monty are looking for. While I have my preferences on who this team will draft at 29 - I know for a fact that the brain trust that is running this organization knows a HE|_|_ of a lot more about basketball than anyone else on this forum and I will trust their judgment.

(But man, it sure does feel weird to be agreeing with saintEscaton :lol: :lol: :lol: )


agree with this. get the best possible player that fits the system and scheme. and does this player have a skill that can be expanded on and used
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Post#431 » by BobbieL » Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:09 pm

How does this help the Kings? Not just because it seems to help the Lakers - but what the hell are the Kings doing

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Post#432 » by darealjuice » Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:11 pm

Lol sorry GoK, looks like your draft research was all for naught
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Post#433 » by saintEscaton » Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:15 pm

Go BPA PG or if there is a run on them late and a dearth of them go for the BPA center who can hit the three and protect the rim to backup Ayton
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#434 » by MrMiyagi » Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:19 pm

BobbieL wrote:How does this help the Kings? Not just because it seems to help the Lakers - but what the hell are the Kings doing

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sorry wrong thread :)
Kings have 2 very good guards with Fox and Haliburton, and Delon Wright is a serviceable 3rd guard. Getting front court help in Harrell and Kuzma makes sense. Especially if they don't think they can resign Holmes.
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Post#435 » by darealjuice » Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:20 pm

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Post#436 » by cberry78 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:33 pm

We can still purchase an early 2nd....what do those cost now a day anyway?
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Post#437 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:04 pm

I honestly think Booker told the front office 'never again' with young PGs after his experience the couple years after the Bledsoe trade. There were times it looked like he wanted to murder Okobo and Melton. (Melton just flat out isn't a PG but is a nice player)

I've been saying for a while I don't expect a young PG in Phoenix while this core is together. When Paul leaves they will replace him with a vet via trade or FA.

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Post#438 » by RunDogGun » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:36 pm

It would be cool if we snag the two second rounders from OKC. Cash and future second rounders?
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Post#439 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:45 pm

darealjuice wrote:Lol sorry GoK, looks like your draft research was all for naught


He can get an early start right now on the 2022 draft, though there is a chance we won't have a pick...probably lose it in a future year though...maybe the first year we don't have CP3 (and possibly Booker since he is an UFA in 2024) and our pick becomes unprotected in 2025. If we don't have Paul or Booker (I know it would be very unlikely Booker leaves but if Paul had left the prior year or was a much inferior version in 23-24 and we missed the playoffs or something) who knows? Without Booker or Paul we would likely be in the lottery and could jump to top 4 in the lottery and lose the pick.
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Post#440 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:58 pm

darealjuice wrote:Lol sorry GoK, looks like your draft research was all for naught

It's cool. I didn't mind, It's always good to have things to discuss. I'm honestly more excited about free agency for a change! It's good to be relevant again. Anxious to see their plan for this offseason unfold! Still slightly hope for a quality two way big from the undrafted pool though. :D
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