2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????

[Bogyo]

I'm sure Presti will try to rehab Kembas value this year then they will flip him next year for some other bad contract and a 1st. It's basically the ponzi scheme he's been running for a couple years

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. He sure is good at doing this...all while seemingly keeping the player semi happy waiting it out. I wonder where might be a decent landing spot for him. If Washington wants to save some money they could swap him for Westbrook...get him back to OKC. Westbrook makes like $8 million more next year and $10 million more the following year (over $91 million)...he basically makes around what CP3 makes next year.

It's still crazy that the Rockets traded Chris Paul, two first rounders and two pick swaps for Westbrook.

Presti certainly does a good job of asset management. Now eventually he's going to need to turn those into real players.

The tricky thing for him is he'll have the picks to trade for a disgruntled star but OKC is a place where some of those stars won't want to go.

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I kinda understand this trade for both teams, and I kinda wonder if it will be a success for either.

Celts have no PG as of now, and no draft pick (and not enough money). They do have 2 stars, and a couple good(ish) bench players.

OKC is full of picks (most of them are not exactley as good as golddust), and there is only so many times you can pull this "rehab routine" - they will run out of luck eventually, while nothing is changing the fact that not one star wants to play there. Presti might find himself in the situation what did Ainge in - having too many draft picks, and not pulling the trigger on trading them as really noone wants to play there, and teams will not take him seriously / will try to rip him off as everybody knows that he simply can not make / develop 35 (!!!yes, actual number) draft picks in the next 6-7 years.

[bwgood77]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. He sure is good at doing this...all while seemingly keeping the player semi happy waiting it out. I wonder where might be a decent landing spot for him. If Washington wants to save some money they could swap him for Westbrook...get him back to OKC. Westbrook makes like $8 million more next year and $10 million more the following year (over $91 million)...he basically makes around what CP3 makes next year.

It's still crazy that the Rockets traded Chris Paul, two first rounders and two pick swaps for Westbrook.

Presti certainly does a good job of asset management. Now eventually he's going to need to turn those into real players.

The tricky thing for him is he'll have the picks to trade for a disgruntled star but OKC is a place where some of those stars won't want to go.

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I kinda understand this trade for both teams, and I kinda wonder if it will be a success for either.

Celts have no PG as of now, and no draft pick (and not enough money). They do have 2 stars, and a couple good(ish) bench players.

OKC is full of picks (most of them are not exactley as good as golddust), and there is only so many times you can pull this "rehab routine" - they will run out of luck eventually, while nothing is changing the fact that not one star wants to play there. Presti might find himself in the situation what did Ainge in - having too many draft picks, and not pulling the trigger on trading them as really noone wants to play there, and teams will not take him seriously / will try to rip him off as everybody knows that he simply can not make / develop 35 (!!!yes, actual number) draft picks in the next 6-7 years.

Who are you thinking of PG for Celts? Smart? Pritchard?

Edit: I read your post wrong...I though you said the Celts did have a PG as of now.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. He sure is good at doing this...all while seemingly keeping the player semi happy waiting it out. I wonder where might be a decent landing spot for him. If Washington wants to save some money they could swap him for Westbrook...get him back to OKC. Westbrook makes like $8 million more next year and $10 million more the following year (over $91 million)...he basically makes around what CP3 makes next year.

It's still crazy that the Rockets traded Chris Paul, two first rounders and two pick swaps for Westbrook.

Presti certainly does a good job of asset management. Now eventually he's going to need to turn those into real players.

The tricky thing for him is he'll have the picks to trade for a disgruntled star but OKC is a place where some of those stars won't want to go.

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I think he is in the long game. He will have an SGA max to surround with the best rookies he can draft and already may have some like Poku and Maledon...and good role players like Dort. Anyway, as you mentioned earlier he may be able to package some picks for Cade, but he may also love a guy like Mobley and save his assets. Cade may be a guy who brings in a bigger crowd and more likely to stay long term, but ultimately that fanbase shows up when the team is good (and probably anyway with no other major sports) and they were already competitive before going full tank mode. My guess is they aim to really compete for playoffs in 3 years when the LA teams and GS are getting too old when they can be up n coming when Phx and Denver are in their prime. Much of Utah's core will be getting older too outside of Mitchell. Gobert I guess will be 31 but Ingles and Conley will be 36 and Bojan 34.

Sure he's absolutely playing the long game. But with only 15 roster spots and as we saw in Phoenix you really can't try to develop too many young guys on once Presti is going to have to start consolidating those picks soon. I wonder if he ends up like Ainge where it's actually harder than he might think to package picks because teams know you really want to.

I was a huge SGA fan when he was a prospect but honestly I think he's become a touch overrated. Like he's a really good player but I feel like he gets talked about as some future great player and I'm not so sure about that.

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[RunDogGun]

Nooooooooooooo!!!!!!

The Athletic has learned through league sources that the Magic have asked permission to interview Phoenix Suns assistant coach Willie Green, Milwaukee Bucks assistant coach Charles Lee and Brooklyn Nets assistant coach Ime Udoka.

Green, 39, is completing his fifth season as an NBA assistant coach. A former NBA shooting guard, Green worked three seasons as an assistant coach/player development for the Golden State Warriors under Steve Kerr before he joined Monty Williams’ coaching staff in Phoenix in 2019.

https://theathletic.com/2659062/2021/06/17/three-new-candidates-emerge-in-orlando-magic-coaching-search/

We knew this would come from one of the teams looking for a head coach. I hope the best for Willie, he really helped our team. It would be cool if he asked to wait until after the finals, but he deserves a chance to be a head coach.

[bwgood77]

Presti certainly does a good job of asset management. Now eventually he's going to need to turn those into real players.

The tricky thing for him is he'll have the picks to trade for a disgruntled star but OKC is a place where some of those stars won't want to go.

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I think he is in the long game. He will have an SGA max to surround with the best rookies he can draft and already may have some like Poku and Maledon...and good role players like Dort. Anyway, as you mentioned earlier he may be able to package some picks for Cade, but he may also love a guy like Mobley and save his assets. Cade may be a guy who brings in a bigger crowd and more likely to stay long term, but ultimately that fanbase shows up when the team is good (and probably anyway with no other major sports) and they were already competitive before going full tank mode. My guess is they aim to really compete for playoffs in 3 years when the LA teams and GS are getting too old when they can be up n coming when Phx and Denver are in their prime. Much of Utah's core will be getting older too outside of Mitchell. Gobert I guess will be 31 but Ingles and Conley will be 36 and Bojan 34.

Sure he's absolutely playing the long game. But with only 15 roster spots and as we saw in Phoenix you really can't try to develop too many young guys on once Presti is going to have to start consolidating those picks soon. I wonder if he ends up like Ainge where it's actually harder than he might think to package picks because teams know you really want to.

I was a huge SGA fan when he was a prospect but honestly I think he's become a touch overrated. Like he's a really good player but I feel like he gets talked about as some future great player and I'm not so sure about that.

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He may be overrated but that may be partly because of the team he was around this year caused him not to look as good. Presti did pretty good developing Westbrook, Harden, Durant and Ibaka at the same time, and you are normally not going to hit at such a high success rate. I mean he'd be good to hit on half of them. I think he should consolidate some but the picks are spread out for like 7 years or so I believe so it's not like they will all be coming in at once.

[Bogyo]

Presti certainly does a good job of asset management. Now eventually he's going to need to turn those into real players.

The tricky thing for him is he'll have the picks to trade for a disgruntled star but OKC is a place where some of those stars won't want to go.

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I kinda understand this trade for both teams, and I kinda wonder if it will be a success for either.

Celts have no PG as of now, and no draft pick (and not enough money). They do have 2 stars, and a couple good(ish) bench players.

OKC is full of picks (most of them are not exactley as good as golddust), and there is only so many times you can pull this "rehab routine" - they will run out of luck eventually, while nothing is changing the fact that not one star wants to play there. Presti might find himself in the situation what did Ainge in - having too many draft picks, and not pulling the trigger on trading them as really noone wants to play there, and teams will not take him seriously / will try to rip him off as everybody knows that he simply can not make / develop 35 (!!!yes, actual number) draft picks in the next 6-7 years.

Who are you thinking of PG for Celts? Smart? Pritchard?

Edit: I read your post wrong...I though you said the Celts did have a PG as of now.

No worries.

And yes, Smart and Pritchard are their two options, and neither is a good starting material point guard. Not enough playmaking from either, not enough defendse from Pritchard, and not enough shooting from Smart. I guess Tatum and Brown do most of the ball handling beyound halfcourt... They can live with this setup in the regular season in the east, but not a recepie for deep playoff success. They'll be hunting the "George Hills" of this offseason. Oh, and they didn't really get significantly better up front with Holford and Moses. Holford is done by now, can't guard a chair. Can get away with it for 20ish minutes from the bench in the regular season, but he'll be hunted in the playoffs. Moses could develop a bit, but that's not a given either.

[bwgood77]

This is a good listen:

https://thefourpointplay.substack.com/p/vol2-iss17-suns-in-two-part-one

[BobbieL]

I kinda understand this trade for both teams, and I kinda wonder if it will be a success for either.

Celts have no PG as of now, and no draft pick (and not enough money). They do have 2 stars, and a couple good(ish) bench players.

OKC is full of picks (most of them are not exactley as good as golddust), and there is only so many times you can pull this "rehab routine" - they will run out of luck eventually, while nothing is changing the fact that not one star wants to play there. Presti might find himself in the situation what did Ainge in - having too many draft picks, and not pulling the trigger on trading them as really noone wants to play there, and teams will not take him seriously / will try to rip him off as everybody knows that he simply can not make / develop 35 (!!!yes, actual number) draft picks in the next 6-7 years.

Who are you thinking of PG for Celts? Smart? Pritchard?

Edit: I read your post wrong...I though you said the Celts did have a PG as of now.

No worries.

And yes, Smart and Pritchard are their two options, and neither is a good starting material point guard. Not enough playmaking from either, not enough defendse from Pritchard, and not enough shooting from Smart. I guess Tatum and Brown do most of the ball handling beyound halfcourt... They can live with this setup in the regular season in the east, but not a recepie for deep playoff success. They'll be hunting the "George Hills" of this offseason. Oh, and they didn't really get significantly better up front with Holford and Moses. Holford is done by now, can't guard a chair. Can get away with it for 20ish minutes from the bench in the regular season, but he'll be hunted in the playoffs. Moses could develop a bit, but that's not a given either.

Yes, the Celtics I think will only have the mid level exception since they will still be over the cap with this trade. So they will be going deep in the free agent PG market.

I wonder if they look to take on a player like Rubio. Would Smart for Rubio make sense for the Celtics? Smart defends but he can't shoot. Rubio can at least be a point guard to help Tatum and Brown. Granted it probably makes more sense for the Celtics than it does for the Twolves but who the hell knows what their plan is up in MN

[Slim Charless]

Presti certainly does a good job of asset management. Now eventually he's going to need to turn those into real players.

The tricky thing for him is he'll have the picks to trade for a disgruntled star but OKC is a place where some of those stars won't want to go.

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I think he is in the long game. He will have an SGA max to surround with the best rookies he can draft and already may have some like Poku and Maledon...and good role players like Dort. Anyway, as you mentioned earlier he may be able to package some picks for Cade, but he may also love a guy like Mobley and save his assets. Cade may be a guy who brings in a bigger crowd and more likely to stay long term, but ultimately that fanbase shows up when the team is good (and probably anyway with no other major sports) and they were already competitive before going full tank mode. My guess is they aim to really compete for playoffs in 3 years when the LA teams and GS are getting too old when they can be up n coming when Phx and Denver are in their prime. Much of Utah's core will be getting older too outside of Mitchell. Gobert I guess will be 31 but Ingles and Conley will be 36 and Bojan 34.

Sure he's absolutely playing the long game. But with only 15 roster spots and as we saw in Phoenix you really can't try to develop too many young guys on once Presti is going to have to start consolidating those picks soon. I wonder if he ends up like Ainge where it's actually harder than he might think to package picks because teams know you really want to.

I was a huge SGA fan when he was a prospect but honestly I think he's become a touch overrated. Like he's a really good player but I feel like he gets talked about as some future great player and I'm not so sure about that.

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Is Cade from Oklahoma? If so, he'll likely be down to stay permanently and if that's the case I'd be down to trade a good portion of those picks for him if I was Presti. I'd do 4 plus 16+18 with no hesitantation. I'd probably do 1 or 2 future ones as well if I thought he was a game changer who is from that state.

Him, SGA, Dort and Poku is a good basis for a team. With a ton of cap room and other picks to try and grab someone down the line.

[King4Day]

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[BobbieL]

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Guard heavy team so far
Lillard
Book
Green
Tatum
Beal

Won't have trouble scoring the ball. Going to need another dirtworker type - PJ Tucker would be good.

[Jdiddy701]

Happy for Book.


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[Saberestar]

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Posted this in the DA thread but will throw it here too since it's a great article.

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[Slim Charless]

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Guard heavy team so far
Lillard
Book
Green
Tatum
Beal

Won't have trouble scoring the ball. Going to need another dirtworker type - PJ Tucker would be good.

Looking forward to Tatum asking out and demanding to be sent here in 3 years after him and Book have "discussions" over the summer.

[bwgood77]

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Guard heavy team so far
Lillard
Book
Green
Tatum
Beal

Won't have trouble scoring the ball. Going to need another dirtworker type - PJ Tucker would be good.

Looking forward to Tatum asking out and demanding to be sent here in 3 years after him and Book have "discussions" over the summer.

Who do you get rid of, Ayton or Bridges?

[bwgood77]

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[Slim Charless]

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Sissy talk.

Those Denver fans got what they deserved. That Suns fan is trying to take this as far as he can though, I heard him on PMT and he thinks he should be on the court shooting around with the players in game 1 and maybe a job with the team for this.

[Slim Charless]

Guard heavy team so far
Lillard
Book
Green
Tatum
Beal

Won't have trouble scoring the ball. Going to need another dirtworker type - PJ Tucker would be good.

Looking forward to Tatum asking out and demanding to be sent here in 3 years after him and Book have "discussions" over the summer.

Who do you get rid of, Ayton or Bridges?

Well, this would be after CP3 retires so we get that cap back. Also, I think the cap is gonna go up once expansion happens-which I think is 100%.

We could get him w/o either in theory.

[bwgood77]

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Sissy talk.

Those Denver fans got what they deserved. That Suns fan is trying to take this as far as he can though, I heard him on PMT and he thinks he should be on the court shooting around with the players in game 1 and maybe a job with the team for this.

I like what he said, and I wouldn't be surprised if Monty talked a bit about it in the locker room...how it's not classy to encourage that type of thing. That guy shouldn't be getting tickets for winning a fight in the stands, whether he got hit first or not. Not a good example to set for fans in the stands. I won't be surprised if you see it on the road in another game...intentionally filmed, etc.