Archie Goodwin

[bwgood77]

Have to think they're playing Tucker etc to get trade value up, same with Weems.

I would like to think this is the cause but Tucker was getting minutes ahead of younger players since he joined the team.
Really, no matter who will we play we will still suck. Why don't give minutes to young guy and see if he could be good instead of playing freaking PJ Tucker??

Maybe so there is SOMEONE who sets a pretty good example about the effort you should put out on the floor in the nba. Markieff and Chandler certainly didn't do it. Bledsoe at times didn't do it.

Tucker seems to be the only guy getting assists any more as well, so despite him not being a great player, if he is assisting the young guys, and showing the kind of work ethic you need to get on the floor it's ok, as long as the young guys are getting a lot of minutes as well.

[Damkac]

I partly agree here. While Tucker don't have tons of basketball talent he make it up by playing hard all the time. But still for a rebuilding team it makes more sense to play young guys who are far from their prime than 30 years old player.

[NaturalBuns]

Archie is still so young by age 25 he will at minimum be a productive bench guy

So you're saying you'd give him a second contract? How much?

Idk but he's only 21. In 3-4 years he will be more reliable as he gets stronger and more mature. I would only part ways with him if he gets us out of a bad contract

[bwgood77]

Archie is still so young by age 25 he will at minimum be a productive bench guy

So you're saying you'd give him a second contract? How much?

Idk but he's only 21. In 3-4 years he will be more reliable as he gets stronger and more mature. I would only part ways with him if he gets us out of a bad contract

So $8 million a year or so?

[NaturalBuns]

So you're saying you'd give him a second contract? How much?

Idk but he's only 21. In 3-4 years he will be more reliable as he gets stronger and more mature. I would only part ways with him if he gets us out of a bad contract

So $8 million a year or so?

Hmm don't know I don't see him proving much in his rookie deal. so something like that could bold bad for fans

[TASTIC]

He actually played ok last night - average on offense (made his FTs, nice!) but very good on the defensive end.

He's looking more and more like the PG/SG version of Tony Allen to be honest.

Just needs to take 1000 threes a day in the off-season and fix the release and arc of his jumper, it's like Warren's and too flat and inconsistent.

There's no reason he can't become an Avery Bradley type guy if he can make 1-1.2 threes a night on 35%+, then his defence would keep him in the line-up.

Contract wise though, that's a tough one. 1 year deals maybe? I dunno, I'd maybe offer 2yr/$10m total.

[thamadkant]

So thats good some people are starting to see his potential.

Just imagine had a Thibs-type coach teaching him defense knowledge.


His offense already has 2 pillars... dribble penetration and ability to finish/athleticism. You add a 3pter or a semi-reliable mid range and he's an all-star. But likely he will just be "ok" in shooting... maybe someone on the level of Iguadala and that will still make him a nice player to have.
As he matures he will rely more on tactics rather than energy too.

Contract wise 4/24 million sounds like he will accept, assuming he plays minutes and in the rotation.

[SunsRback4Good]

All I'm going to say about Archie is that he's very young and can still mature under the right coach/system. I still believe in him and see a "Avery Bradley" type of player. Good defender but has yet to find his shot.. He just needs more playing time so he can shine and we all know with Hornacek as his coach he won't get much of an opportunity on the basketball court.

[saintEscaton]

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[Sonne]

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[Kingshadaine]

24 points and the game winner!

[Damkac]

Do you think he should continue to develop as pg or his position should be sg? I think his lack of shooting will make it hard for him to play without the ball. I hope his decision making improves enough to become solid pg.

[thamadkant]

A Zero Guard, same as a young Westbrook. Not a combo guard like Curry or J.Terry or Knight... which requires a decent shooter or volume outside shots to be effective. But someone who overwhelms their opponent by sheer energy, hustle, athleticism.... Goodwin needs to watch lots of Bledsoe, Westbrook videos and be that type of PG... or "ZG"

[AtheJ415]

Archie is at the worst a rotation player imo. He has the chance to be much more and we should have the option to see that come to fruition or not. He has moved beyond no value to a piece we can actually use. His development has been encouraging, but I'm not sure we can really guess as to what it will cost to keep him and what he is worth. We need a lot more film, because this is the first time he's gotten real minutes.

[LukasBMW]

Another solid game from Archie. 7-14, 22 points, 7 assists, and 6 turnovers.

Not bad.

[thamadkant]

The turn overs will subside as he plays more minutes. He has under 2000 minutes played if not far significantly less. Equivalent to a quarter of a season at 30 minutes a game.
21 years old and sat.


Also he is playing stars and legit veteran starters and putting up excellent numbers. The haters will focus on the negatives though instead of the positives. Just got to judge him as if he is in his 20th game averaging 20 minutes in all 20 games.. Because thats the equivalent in regards to minutes played on the court.

[Saberestar]

Another great game, he is showing that he has a future in this league.
With that being said, obviously he is not starting material but he is only 21 years old so I am not concerned about it.

Next year I want to see him playing at least 20 minutes per game on a playoff team (our team ).

[TheXgasm]

Yeah, the turnovers don't worry me much. Those are things that young players do and learn from, except that Archie is just now (3 years later) getting consistent enough minutes to have the chance to make the mistakes he can learn from.

What I think is more important is that he didn't already try to pull a diva move and say that he's a scorer and a SG and has no interest in passing like he's Kobe or something...he got pushed into a PG spot by matter of necessity and you're already starting to see him at least look to set up his teammates at times now instead of solely doing the penetrate-then-jump-then-realize-you're-screwed-then-pass-as-a-bailout move he is so good at. He still does that, mind you, but he's now also trying to find teammates and set people up even when he's not in trouble!

He'll never be a PG obviously, but he's showing effort and an ability to adapt, and those two things to me are more encouraging than his stats right now. We know the kid has talent, we know he can get to the rim, what we need to see is if he can learn how to be more than a bowling ball with hands, and it looks for now like he just might be able to.

Also remember, he's still young enough that even after this year he's still about the age that seniors get drafted, so it's not like he's just some old has-been who will never make it yet.

[Saberestar]

Watson about Goodwin

Archie Goodwin has primarily been a point guard in three Suns seasons, become an emergency starting point guard and occasionally defended small forwards with his 6-foot-10 wingspan.

“I think Archie is becoming a hybrid and an X-factor on this team that you can’t teach. A guy at his age who can learn how to play the 1, 2 and 3 is invaluable to any team. Because we all know he can guard a 1, 2 or 3. So now when he gets into his mid-20s, not only is he great at understanding the game at every position, but he’s also a leader and can be on the court no matter what".

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/02/04/earl-watson-hails-influence-dantonis-nashs-suns/79851784/

[jcsunsfan]

Watson about Goodwin

Archie Goodwin has primarily been a point guard in three Suns seasons, become an emergency starting point guard and occasionally defended small forwards with his 6-foot-10 wingspan.

“I think Archie is becoming a hybrid and an X-factor on this team that you can’t teach. A guy at his age who can learn how to play the 1, 2 and 3 is invaluable to any team. Because we all know he can guard a 1, 2 or 3. So now when he gets into his mid-20s, not only is he great at understanding the game at every position, but he’s also a leader and can be on the court no matter what".

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/02/04/earl-watson-hails-influence-dantonis-nashs-suns/79851784/

Man, he lays it on thick, doesn't he?