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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#441 » by BobbieL » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:00 pm

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I think this opens window for us to get love.


Man, I am curious what would you offer to Minny for Kevin Love?

If we trade Dragic or Bledsoe for him that`s just a lateral move in my eyes.

Na that's not a lateral move. Right now SG/PG are probably the easiest position to fill. Quality PF are hard to find. With Ennis in the fold now, Bledsoe (with other pieces) for love is a no brainer.


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I think Love for Bledsoe or Dragic is a big time upgrade in fact. Granted, I think it will cost the Suns more than that to get it done. But when you a top 10 player (arguably, Top 20 at worst) - it costs to get. Worth the discussion
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#443 » by harshey1388 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:13 pm

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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#444 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:14 pm

Since Miami used the exceptions, if LeBron decides to stay, they can actually now give Wade and Bosh a lot more money, so Bosh can get the max again it looks like. It seems like Houston's angle is that they are offering the max and think Miami can't, but since they have retained bird rights and only used exceptions, they don't have to stay under the cap. Gaspar and I discussed this a little the other day because I wondered how they could use the exceptions if they were trying to create cap room (they couldn't once they renounced the bird rights to create the cap room to sign other people using cap space).

This article kind of goes into greater detail...

the Heat's two moves Monday gave us some insight into their plans for retooling around James, Wade and Bosh. With little spending power, the Heat were never going to strike a blockbuster deal. But from their agreements to sign Josh McRoberts and Danny Granger with their cap exceptions, we can learn a few things about the Heat's thinking as we head into Riley's planned meeting with James on Tuesday.

Here are three takeaways:

1. The Heat wave good-bye to cap space
By using the non-taxpayer's midlevel exception and biannual exception, the Heat have effectively announced that they will not be operating as a team with cap space this free-agency period. Those two tools are made available only to teams that are above the projected cap of $63.2 million. How can the Heat be over the cap if they haven't signed any players yet?

Good question. Though the Heat have not reached a deal with anyone in free agency up until this point, cap holds from James, Wade, Bosh and Udonis Haslem alone take them up to an effective cap number of about $68 million. Over the cap.

All that talk about the Heat's cap space? They have chosen the other door.

The Heat could have carved out some cap space by getting rid of the cap holds, but that would require renouncing the Bird rights to James, Wade, Bosh and Haslem (among others). Going that route would have been risky without commitments, and it's unclear how much cap space the Heat could clear without pay-cut assurances from James, Wade and Bosh. Bird rights are important for title chasers like the Heat. They allow teams to re-sign their own players over the cap. The Heat will retain those, which may come in handy pretty soon.

By going over the cap, the Heat will also cut ties with their room midlevel exception. That would have been a tool to have a starting salary of $2.7 million to throw at a free agent, but that disappears once a team operates above the cap. That's not a huge deal. The Heat still played another card -- their biannual exception -- which goes for $2.1 million in the first year and can be used to sign a player (or be split among multiple players) for up to two years. The biannual exception isn't a game-changer, but some solid veteran players have been signed using it. C.J. Watson, Jermaine O'Neal and Nate Robinson were all recipients last season.

2. The Heat are hard-capped at $81 million
Another capology note: By using these two exceptions, the Heat, by league rule, have to stay underneath the apron, an effective hard cap $4 million above the luxury tax line, which is set at $77 million. There's no gray area here. Under no circumstances can the Heat's payroll go above $81 million this season.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... -deals-nba
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#445 » by JJ13 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:19 pm

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At #SummerSuns practice. Alex Len looks SIGNIFICANTLY stronger. Been putting in a ton of time in weight room.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#446 » by GDFTony » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:22 pm

JJ13 wrote:Matt Petersen ‏@TheMattPetersen 1m
At #SummerSuns practice. Alex Len looks SIGNIFICANTLY stronger. Been putting in a ton of time in weight room.


I'm really excited for our 4 young guys (Len/Goodwin/Warren/Ennis).
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#447 » by BIGSUN » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:23 pm

I know this is a LONG shot, and I'm new here. LONG time suns fan, and season ticket holder. I'm hearing the rumors about Dwade and Lebron having dinner in Las Vegas. Some have titled it "the break up dinner" or maybe Wade is just there for the meeting with Pat Riley that is supposed to be happening today. But It got me thinking about Wade coming to PHX with Lebron.

I've said I'll take any warm body along with Lebron. But with PHX training staff I think they are confident they could do wonders on Wade. I know Dwade is the king of Miami, and I'm just making stuff up here. But if they didn't like playing with Bosh for whatever reason....? I know I'm crazy.

Dwade with Suns training staff could be amazing though. You saw what they did to G Hill and Shaq. Is it just a coincidence that Nash left team, and could barley stay healthy?

Lets start a twitter rumor, and get LeBron and Dwade coming to the suns :)
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#448 » by BobbieL » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:23 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Since Miami used the exceptions, if LeBron decides to stay, they can actually now give Wade and Bosh a lot more money, so Bosh can get the max again it looks like. It seems like Houston's angle is that they are offering the max and think Miami can't, but since they have retained bird rights and only used exceptions, they don't have to stay under the cap. Gaspar and I discussed this a little the other day because I wondered how they could use the exceptions if they were trying to create cap room (they couldn't once they renounced the bird rights to create the cap room to sign other people using cap space).

This article kind of goes into greater detail...

the Heat's two moves Monday gave us some insight into their plans for retooling around James, Wade and Bosh. With little spending power, the Heat were never going to strike a blockbuster deal. But from their agreements to sign Josh McRoberts and Danny Granger with their cap exceptions, we can learn a few things about the Heat's thinking as we head into Riley's planned meeting with James on Tuesday.

Here are three takeaways:

1. The Heat wave good-bye to cap space
By using the non-taxpayer's midlevel exception and biannual exception, the Heat have effectively announced that they will not be operating as a team with cap space this free-agency period. Those two tools are made available only to teams that are above the projected cap of $63.2 million. How can the Heat be over the cap if they haven't signed any players yet?

Good question. Though the Heat have not reached a deal with anyone in free agency up until this point, cap holds from James, Wade, Bosh and Udonis Haslem alone take them up to an effective cap number of about $68 million. Over the cap.

All that talk about the Heat's cap space? They have chosen the other door.

The Heat could have carved out some cap space by getting rid of the cap holds, but that would require renouncing the Bird rights to James, Wade, Bosh and Haslem (among others). Going that route would have been risky without commitments, and it's unclear how much cap space the Heat could clear without pay-cut assurances from James, Wade and Bosh. Bird rights are important for title chasers like the Heat. They allow teams to re-sign their own players over the cap. The Heat will retain those, which may come in handy pretty soon.

By going over the cap, the Heat will also cut ties with their room midlevel exception. That would have been a tool to have a starting salary of $2.7 million to throw at a free agent, but that disappears once a team operates above the cap. That's not a huge deal. The Heat still played another card -- their biannual exception -- which goes for $2.1 million in the first year and can be used to sign a player (or be split among multiple players) for up to two years. The biannual exception isn't a game-changer, but some solid veteran players have been signed using it. C.J. Watson, Jermaine O'Neal and Nate Robinson were all recipients last season.

2. The Heat are hard-capped at $81 million
Another capology note: By using these two exceptions, the Heat, by league rule, have to stay underneath the apron, an effective hard cap $4 million above the luxury tax line, which is set at $77 million. There's no gray area here. Under no circumstances can the Heat's payroll go above $81 million this season.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... -deals-nba


granted, it doesn't mean for sure all three are back - but it does mean that Riley realized that Gasol or Lowery or Gortat were not going to eat into the Big Threes chuck of change (save for whatever Udonis Haslem gets - 2.5m to 3m).
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#449 » by Nando88 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:25 pm

JJ13 wrote:Matt Petersen ‏@TheMattPetersen 1m
At #SummerSuns practice. Alex Len looks SIGNIFICANTLY stronger. Been putting in a ton of time in weight room.


Per Suns twitter, Alex added 10lbs of muscle


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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#450 » by BobbieL » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:25 pm

JJ13 wrote:Matt Petersen ‏@TheMattPetersen 1m
At #SummerSuns practice. Alex Len looks SIGNIFICANTLY stronger. Been putting in a ton of time in weight room.


He is from the Ukraine - its gets cold there. Maybe he is just getting ready for Milwaukee or Minnesota

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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#451 » by drewsprocket » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:25 pm

DRK wrote:
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There are trades to be made still . players to sign. GAsol hasn't signed yet; Deng hasn't signed yet, Ariza hasn't signed yet; Monroe, Bledsoe.


Dont want any of these guys. If we signed Deng, I'ld probably puke.

Patience people. Patience

I'd rather pay a little too much for deng than too much for tucker. Deng gives you points on the board and tucker only can hit open jumpers
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#452 » by KLEON » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:27 pm

I know I'm late but who is going to replace Frye ?
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#453 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:28 pm

Nando88 wrote:
JJ13 wrote:Matt Petersen ‏@TheMattPetersen 1m
At #SummerSuns practice. Alex Len looks SIGNIFICANTLY stronger. Been putting in a ton of time in weight room.


Per Suns twitter, Alex added 10lbs of muscle


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it far from a sure thing but len is definitely a candidate to take a major leap this year. When he finally was able to play last season he'd basically been off his feet for 9 months. It's exciting to see how he looks in real game shape.

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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#454 » by drewsprocket » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:30 pm

KLEON wrote:I know I'm late but who is going to replace Frye ?

No one probably. Unless a trade is in the works
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#455 » by Revived » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:31 pm

How has there been no update on LeBron's and 'Melo's status?
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#456 » by thamadkant » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:32 pm

I think if Lebron says no ..


Suns keep all youngsters and develop them for 2015+.


At some point you simply have to get impact from the players you drafted.

Len, Goodwin, Warren, Ennis, Bogdanovic... That's a starting lineup.

If suns crash and burn from trying for Lebron, suns go young and play these kids minutes ASAP. Win or lose, you win long term.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#457 » by Kerrsed » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:32 pm

BIGSUN wrote:I know this is a LONG shot, and I'm new here. LONG time suns fan, and season ticket holder. I'm hearing the rumors about Dwade and Lebron having dinner in Las Vegas. Some have titled it "the break up dinner" or maybe Wade is just there for the meeting with Pat Riley that is supposed to be happening today. But It got me thinking about Wade coming to PHX with Lebron.

I've said I'll take any warm body along with Lebron. But with PHX training staff I think they are confident they could do wonders on Wade. I know Dwade is the king of Miami, and I'm just making stuff up here. But if they didn't like playing with Bosh for whatever reason....? I know I'm crazy.

Dwade with Suns training staff could be amazing though. You saw what they did to G Hill and Shaq. Is it just a coincidence that Nash left team, and could barley stay healthy?



That would be an interesting idea, if our Medical staff thinks they can help. Wade has already mentioned that he isnt looking for a max deal, and would be willing to take a cut (to help keep Lebron in Miami), and it would be great if he would do it here for us as well.

That would then leave us open to trade Dragic/assets for Love.

Then with whatever remaining cash we had, make a push for Pau.

Last but not least, re-ink Bledsoe.

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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#458 » by Sundreamer » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:33 pm

KLEON wrote:I know I'm late but who is going to replace Frye ?


LeBron 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#459 » by Gorilla Warfare » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:36 pm

If Wade was with Riley then he is part of the pitch to get LeBron to stay in Miami. Wade hasn't received any attention elsewhere so Riley has him in the palm of his hands.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#460 » by BIGSUN » Tue Jul 8, 2014 7:42 pm

Gorilla Warfare wrote:If Wade was with Riley then he is part of the pitch to get LeBron to stay in Miami. Wade hasn't received any attention elsewhere so Riley has him in the palm of his hands.


I totally agree. But if Lebron was even giving PHX a second look. I would like the Suns FO to run that one past him. Bring along wade for $xxx amount a year. Lots of room left for other great role players. Do the Love trade for Dragic etc. I think it would be worth mentioning if I was McDo!

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