The MoBro's Show

Cutter · Post #441 » by **Cutter** » Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:27 pm

I have been in favor of moving the twins since about game 20 of this season. Both twins together on the same teams seems to be a thuggish, toxic mix. However, a salvageable approach might be to trade Marcus for scraps, and move Markieff to the bench for 25 minutes per game.

Saberestar · Post #442 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:35 pm

This is funny.....

"They think the officials are against them," Coro continued. "They think the schedule is against them, they think the league is against them. It's those sort of things that they need to grow out of. They've been in the league four years, long enough to know.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... rris-twins

How can they be so egocentric? They really think that the entire NBA organization are thinking about them? :lol:

bigfoot · Post #443 » by **bigfoot** » Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:27 pm

Time to fill our team with a bunch of European players. Get rid of these whiny, self-entitled babies. Send the Morri and Bledsoe packing.

jcsunsfan · Post #444 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:27 pm

SF88 wrote:We can't just trade the Morris twins, they don't have positive trade value.

We're likely gonna have to attach at least one of the Heat picks to dump them. But quite frankly, I think it's worth it.

Think about it, do you want players like Warren, Goodwin, Len and whoever we get in the draft this season to be around players like the Morris twins?

We don't have to trade picks to get rid of them. We are under the cap. We could just waive them. Someone might pick them up, but if not, its only money.

RunDogGun · Post #445 » by **RunDogGun** » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:53 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
SF88 wrote:We can't just trade the Morris twins, they don't have positive trade value.

We're likely gonna have to attach at least one of the Heat picks to dump them. But quite frankly, I think it's worth it.

Think about it, do you want players like Warren, Goodwin, Len and whoever we get in the draft this season to be around players like the Morris twins?

We don't have to trade picks to get rid of them. We are under the cap. We could just waive them. Someone might pick them up, but if not, its only money.

Wtf!?

So you think any owner would just eat $50+ million because fans don't like them, and conflicting accounts of a broken nose and abrasions?

Worst case, we bench them and limit their minutes, and put them on a super short leash. They will still perform, and in a year, teams will look at their play, not their stupidity.

Frank Lee · Post #446 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:59 am

We need a plea bargain and an acceptance of responsibility from the Brothers Grimm. But it does not seem to be in their nature, especially since this more or less was stomp down for dissing their momma. They will eventually learn their bank accounts and career are more important than their street cred.

As for the Babbler and McDuh, they need to step up and suspend/reprimand the two right now. Even though the courts may not convict, the general action/intent/involvement is blatantly obvious. But, I expect a very vaginal approach from our two pee-yew gurus and a side stepping, 'let the league be the bad guy' reaction. The chinless wonders have bravely shouldered the blame for building a team with no leadership. They are as bad as the MoBros with their likeminded reassurance of each other.

jcsunsfan · Post #447 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:13 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
SF88 wrote:We can't just trade the Morris twins, they don't have positive trade value.

We're likely gonna have to attach at least one of the Heat picks to dump them. But quite frankly, I think it's worth it.

Think about it, do you want players like Warren, Goodwin, Len and whoever we get in the draft this season to be around players like the Morris twins?

We don't have to trade picks to get rid of them. We are under the cap. We could just waive them. Someone might pick them up, but if not, its only money.

Wtf!? So you think any owner would just eat $50+ million because fans don't like them, and conflicting accounts of a broken nose and abrasions?

Worst case, we bench them and limit their minutes, and put them on a super short leash. They will still perform, and in a year, teams will look at their play, not their stupidity.

No, no. I am saying it would be better to eat their contracts than give up the Miami picks to move them. I don't think it would be that big of a deal to move Marcus. I do think it might be wise to split them up.

jcsunsfan · Post #448 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:16 pm

Frank Lee wrote:We need a plea bargain and an acceptance of responsibility from the Brothers Grimm. But it does not seem to be in their nature, especially since this more or less was stomp down for dissing their momma. They will eventually learn their bank accounts and career are more important than their street cred.

As for the Babbler and McDuh, they need to step up and suspend/reprimand the two right now. Even though the courts may not convict, the general action/intent/involvement is blatantly obvious. But, I expect a very vaginal approach from our two pee-yew gurus and a side stepping, 'let the league be the bad guy' reaction. The chinless wonders have bravely shouldered the blame for building a team with no leadership. They are as bad as the MoBros with their likeminded reassurance of each other.

Yup. The money they lose in the civil suit that is sure to come will far outweigh the community service that will be required of them by the court (or even a few days in jail). The suit could go into 8 figures.

RaisingArizona · Post #449 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:08 pm

Can you all just calm the f*** down until the case gets resolved in court? If they're convicted then obviously there needs to be punishment handed out from the Suns. If not, you move on and chalk it up to immaturity like we did for Archie and P.J.'s encounters with the law.

LukasBMW · Post #450 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:55 am

ginobiliflops wrote:Can you all just calm the f*** down until the case gets resolved in court? If they're convicted then obviously there needs to be punishment handed out from the Suns. If not, you move on and chalk it up to immaturity like we did for Archie and P.J.'s encounters with the law.

Plus a million.

I'd bet money this blows over or they get off easy and never do any time. Then they can either shape up, or we can showcase them and send them somewhere in a trade. Their contract are bargains especially when the new CBA kicks in.

letsgosuns · Post #451 » by **letsgosuns** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:15 am

Has anybody thought that maybe the Morris brothers contracts are actually not bargains and they are paid what they deserve? Since when is a power forward that averages 15 pts and 6 rbs with bad defense worth more than 8 million a year? Or a small forward that averages 10 pts and 5 rbs usually off the bench worth more than 5 million? It ain't like these guys are on the fast track to super-stardom. I doubt they are going to ever get any better than they already are. I could care less about their age. Four years into this league with legitimate playing time and you are who you are. Couple that with how many headaches they have caused the organization from technical fouls to psychotic breakdowns to blaming the fans to now this felony aggravated assault charge and they are no way in hell underpaid. Oh yeah, their overall basketball iq is awful.

These guys are not exactly model citizens. They are FAR from it. Do not forget they lied to the police and claimed they did not know the man they are accused of assaulting. That was obviously a lie. The whole situation looks bad. You guys can say the innocent until proven guilty line all you want and that is fine. Let's say this situation blows over which it might. I still want them off the team because I think they suck. I do not like them. They blamed the fans. They constantly get technical fouls. They never take responsibility and say they should play better. It is always someone else's fault. They are not the kind of stand up people that say we need to look in the mirror and get better. These guys have had so many chances and I have had it with them. Get them off the team. These are not the kind of players I want on my favorite team.

Saberestar · Post #452 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:30 am

Leonard did not work out for the Suns, who were picking 13th. He was clearly a defensive standout but the San Diego State power forward needed to become an NBA small forward at 6 feet 7. His jump shot was suspect but his work ethic was not. His college coach, Steve Fisher, told NBA staff that Leonard would not be satisfied by money.
There seems like there would have been much to discuss about Leonard. A gaze at his 7-3 wingspan and hands as long as men's size 7½ shoes would be an adequate prompt.
This is when it would be convenient to say the Suns did not pick Leonard because of an overabundance of rotation small forwards on the roster — Grant Hill, Jared Dudley and Josh Childress.

This is when the story could say that the Suns made the "safe" choice with Morris, although they were aware of the twins being linked to a 2009 fight between the Kansas football and basketball teams and Marcus' misdemeanor battery charge in 2012.
This is when Markieff's improving career track that now includes his starting power forward position could justify a tight call between the two.
But with a front office conducting its first draft in Phoenix, then-General Manager Lance Blanks' staff did not have Leonard in the discussion. Part of the Suns' knock on Leonard, beyond his perimeter shot, was how nervously he acted in a draft combine interview, when he sweated through his suit.
The Suns chose among Markieff and Marcus Morris and Iman Shumpert. There was more pre-draft talk about reconsidering Jimmer Fredette than Leonard. One scout liked Kenneth Faried. Most scouts liked Nikola Vucevic, but Blanks was not a fan of European players, ruling him out after seeing him play for USC in a loss to Kansas and the Morrises. One scout liked Leonard, then 19, early in the college season.

A year after drafting Markieff, the Suns nearly traded their 2012 firtst-round pick to get Marcus on draft night from Houston. The Rockets had taken Marcus in 2011 with the pick between Markieff and Leonard. That 2012 pick (Marshall) lasted one year in Phoenix.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /26476681/

Revived · Post #453 » by **Revived** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:40 am

ginobiliflops wrote:Can you all just calm the f*** down until the case gets resolved in court? If they're convicted then obviously there needs to be punishment handed out from the Suns. If not, you move on and chalk it up to immaturity like we did for Archie and P.J.'s encounters with the law.

These guys are millionares, there's no way in hell they get convicted regardless of wether they did it or not.

I can 99% gurantee that this case will either be dismissed or Morris twins will settle it.

And I like how you bring up Goodwin and Tucker's problems with immaturity. Here's the problem, this isn't the first case of the Morris twins showing immaturity.

As a matter of fact, their growing more and more immature the older they get.

tdjm · Post #454 » by **tdjm** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:41 am

Holy ballsack Blanks was a **** incompetent

It's like every time I forget how much of a dumbass he was someone has to come and remind me and make my heart hurt again

Mulhollanddrive · Post #455 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:21 am

I actually liked the Morri as a draft pick.

Markieff was 20 + 12 per 36 at Kansas. He had athleticism, and offensive ability.

Way better a prospect than Kaminsky who people are raving about in the draft thread.

What has stopped them developing is that I think they are stubborn in their way of playing. Markieff's inside game and rebounding hasn't developed at all, in college he did that stuff. For tough guys, they like hanging outside the paint alot.

If Markieff is going to stay and become better, it's not making more 16 footers (he's elite where he shoots already), it's getting to the rim more (at least 1 more at the rim shot than a mid-range), being more physical to get there, and putting his body into rebounding positions.

letsgosuns · Post #456 » by **letsgosuns** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:37 am

That article about Lance Blanks and the Morris brothers blows me away. Three things stand out to me. This first thing is this part of the article: "This is when the story could say that the Suns made the "safe" choice with Morris, although they were aware of the twins being linked to a 2009 fight between the Kansas football and basketball teams and Marcus' misdemeanor battery charge in 2012."

How can people defend the Morris brothers. Six years of bad behavior. Supposedly fighting in college in 2009. Now they are accused of felony aggravated assault in 2015. Marcus had a misdemeanor battery charge in 2012. When you watch that video of Marcus yelling at Hornacek, he did not look like a rational person. He appeared more like an angry man full of rage. I honestly felt that the Suns would trade him after that but they never did. I guess this front office is much more willing to put up with that garbage than Colangelo was unfortunately.

The second thing that stands out is the fact that the Suns were more interested in Jimmer Fredette than Kawhi Leonard. There are no words for something like that. I am speechless about that one. Finally, the third thing that stands out to me is that Blanks was not a fan of European players. Didn't he work for the Spurs? How can you work for the Spurs and see how much success they have had by drafting European players and then not be interested in them. Makes no sense. I do not know who was worse. Kevin Towers or Lance Blanks. I am going to say they are pretty much equal. Both of them are the worst general managers I have seen in their respective fields.

Revived · Post #457 » by **Revived** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:42 am

I wonder if 5 years from now we'll be saying the same thing about McD passing on Noel & Gobert for Len.

Kyler Murray · Post #458 » by **Kyler Murray** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:05 am

SF88 wrote:I wonder if 5 years from now we'll be saying the same thing about McD passing on Noel & Gobert for Len.

Nope, the pick was totally justified. Noel had the same, if not worse, injury history and Gobert was nowhere that high on anyone's board. Yeah, you can say that Portland made a huge mistake passing on KD but back then the move made sense.

Post #459 » by **TASTIC** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:21 am

Not to mention Noel wouldn't make his medical records available to other teams - only like 2-3 got to actually see them prior to the draft, and the Suns weren't one of them.

MathiasPW · Post #460 » by **MathiasPW** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:47 am

Interesting how subtle decisions have so much impact on the franchise. Even more interesting to see that our current GM avoids those traps with clear rules such as "do not draft for immediate need", "draft BPA", "draft people who are alligned the cultural standards of the franchise".

It might take a while to show, but it feels like we are doing stuff right now (at least on the drafting process)