Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[RunDogGun]

Well when we are talking about labeling a player a "turnover machine", the only stat to look at is the total amount of turnovers per game. A machine to me produces a lot. Bledsoe didn't really produce any more than many other top guards. And with Westbrook at a full turnover ahead of him and Wall with 0.4 more as well, with Curry and Rose not too far behind, it seems as if one could then argue that Russell and John are "turnover factories".

Knight wasn't that far off Bledsoe either with 3 per game. But again, it really also depends on how that person gets the turnovers. If they are all passes, and he has about twenty to thirty passes a game, 3.4 turnovers are bad. If they are all offensive fouls, then there might be an issue of being out of control. If they are from guys not moving or putting themselves behind a defender, or lazily waiting for a pass, instead of jumping to a pass, then the other players need to fix those things.

Overall, I guess I'm just tired of the over exaggerations to rip our players. Sure Bledsoe has work to do, but fixable issues, that seem to plague many guards who handle the ball a lot. Wade and Harden both have a lot of turnovers, as does James. They aren't point guards, but often run the offense, basically playing the point.

Simply put,Westbrook, Wall,Curry, and Rose are all way better than Bledsoe and their production for their team overshadows their turnovers, that's not the cast for Bledsoe.

But that wasn't how it was put. I wasn't arguing whether their production outweighed their turnovers, just simply stating that Bledsoe's turnovers are pretty common when looking at other players that handle the ball a lot. James isn't a point guard, but he has a large turnover per game, as does Harden. Wade isn't a point guard, yet his turnovers are on par with Bledsoe. I wouldn't call Wade, Harden, and James "turnover machines" would you? Westbrook leads the league in turnovers for point guards, would he be called one?

So again, if Bledsoe is one, so are many of the other players in the league which handle the ball often. Man this took up way too much time and effort.

[SkinnyOMiller]

Channing Frye is probably available and he has a declining contract.

I won't be surprised if David Lee goes to Orlando for Frye. Frye would fit in nicely in GS.

The Warriors are dumping Lee because they don't want to end up with like a $50 million luxury tax hit, I doubt that they want any salary coming back.

[AtheJ415]

Source has told him that the Qualifying Offer the San Antonio Spurs tendered o Cory Joseph before free agency began, has been withdrawn from the team. This means Joseph is now an unrestricted free agent.

Cory Joseph is 23 and can defend PGs and some SGs, he is a good player with potential. I really like him like a backup PG, we need one.

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that was quick

He's canadian too. Probably would be tough to talk him out of Toronto.

[AtheJ415]

Source has told him that the Qualifying Offer the San Antonio Spurs tendered o Cory Joseph before free agency began, has been withdrawn from the team. This means Joseph is now an unrestricted free agent.

Cory Joseph is 23 and can defend PGs and some SGs, he is a good player with potential. I really like him like a backup PG, we need one.

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that was quick

He's canadian too. Probably would be tough to talk him out of Toronto.

[MrMiyagi]

Well when we are talking about labeling a player a "turnover machine", the only stat to look at is the total amount of turnovers per game. A machine to me produces a lot. Bledsoe didn't really produce any more than many other top guards. And with Westbrook at a full turnover ahead of him and Wall with 0.4 more as well, with Curry and Rose not too far behind, it seems as if one could then argue that Russell and John are "turnover factories".

Knight wasn't that far off Bledsoe either with 3 per game. But again, it really also depends on how that person gets the turnovers. If they are all passes, and he has about twenty to thirty passes a game, 3.4 turnovers are bad. If they are all offensive fouls, then there might be an issue of being out of control. If they are from guys not moving or putting themselves behind a defender, or lazily waiting for a pass, instead of jumping to a pass, then the other players need to fix those things.

Overall, I guess I'm just tired of the over exaggerations to rip our players. Sure Bledsoe has work to do, but fixable issues, that seem to plague many guards who handle the ball a lot. Wade and Harden both have a lot of turnovers, as does James. They aren't point guards, but often run the offense, basically playing the point.

Simply put,Westbrook, Wall,Curry, and Rose are all way better than Bledsoe and their production for their team overshadows their turnovers, that's not the cast for Bledsoe.

But that wasn't how it was put. I wasn't arguing whether their production outweighed their turnovers, just simply stating that Bledsoe's turnovers are pretty common when looking at other players that handle the ball a lot. James isn't a point guard, but he has a large turnover per game, as does Harden. Wade isn't a point guard, yet his turnovers are on par with Bledsoe. I wouldn't call Wade, Harden, and James "turnover machines" would you? Westbrook leads the league in turnovers for point guards, would he be called one?

So again, if Bledsoe is one, so are many of the other players in the league which handle the ball often. Man this took up way too much time and effort.

Lol at comparing Bledsoe to Lebron and Harden. Those guys are STUDS! Bledsoe is a scrub turnover machine who will never be good!

[RunDogGun]

Miyagi!

[blacksun]

RJax got 5/80M. Makes me feel good regarding BK's contract

[carey]

RJax got 5/80M. Makes me feel good regarding BK's contract

It is a lot but he actually did really well in his time there as a starter. 17 & 9. $16M/yr is basically max money though.

[saintEscaton]

RJax got 5/80M. Makes me feel good regarding BK's contract

It is a lot but he actually did really well in his time there as a starter. 17 & 9. $16M/yr is basically max money though.

Yup he has proven himself to be a capable facilitator/actual point guard. Unlike BKnight in who's case we are hoping that his (willing?) transition to SG is without major bumps and that he will maintain his scoring output playing off the ball.

[JMac1]

I would actually like Anderson over Gallo.

[Revived]

Channing Frye is probably available and he has a declining contract.

I won't be surprised if David Lee goes to Orlando for Frye. Frye would fit in nicely in GS.

The Warriors are dumping Lee because they don't want to end up with like a $50 million luxury tax hit, I doubt that they want any salary coming back.

I wonder it's possible for Suns to trade Tucker to CLE for Haywood's unguranteed contract & then trade that contract to GSW for Lee.

Tucker makes more sense on a contender than us, perfect 3 & d for them.

[RunDogGun]

RJax got 5/80M. Makes me feel good regarding BK's contract

And Bledsoe's contract actually, considering he plays both side of the court.

[RunDogGun]

I would actually like Anderson over Gallo.

I think that's a no brainer in terms of what we need. We'd get both rebounding and spacing from Anderson. Both have history of injuries though. Let's see how desperate NO is to shed salary, and hopefully this is a doable trade which allows us to keep as many assets as we can.

[jredsaz]

What is Patrick Patterson's value in comparison to Markieff? Would extras need to be included? If so, who gets the sweetener?

I have asked a variety of people and heard all kinds of opinions.

I think Patterson is a player that could fill the "Frye" roll in Hornacek's system. Possibly even do it better. However, I dont think he has the upside that Morris has.

[Mr-Al]

I would actually like Anderson over Gallo.

I think that's a no brainer in terms of what we need. We'd get both rebounding and spacing from Anderson. Both have history of injuries though. Let's see how desperate NO is to shed salary, and hopefully this is a doable trade which allows us to keep as many assets as we can.

ummm

Gallo shoots better

Gallo passes better

Gallo scores more per36

Gallo has more offensive win shares

Gallo has more defensive win shares

Gallo gets to the free throw line more

Gallo is a better defender

Gallo gets more steals

Gallo has a higher PER

Gallo has a better at DRB%


Lets see what Anderson does better:

He has a higher ORB%

Anderson is so one-dimensional it hurts, Gallo always had the tools to be a star and just had bad luck, guy is only 26 and still has a lot of time. Anderson should be the option if every Gallo deal doesn't work out. Unlikely, but if you can get him and keep Kieff, your miles less mediocre than if you had Anderson

[rsavaj]

Source has told him that the Qualifying Offer the San Antonio Spurs tendered o Cory Joseph before free agency began, has been withdrawn from the team. This means Joseph is now an unrestricted free agent.

Cory Joseph is 23 and can defend PGs and some SGs, he is a good player with potential. I really like him like a backup PG, we need one.

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that was quick

I wanted Cojo

[SkinnyOMiller]

I would actually like Anderson over Gallo.

I wouldn't be upset with either one, both could be nice contributors on this roster.

[saintEscaton]

Simply put,Westbrook, Wall,Curry, and Rose are all way better than Bledsoe and their production for their team overshadows their turnovers, that's not the cast for Bledsoe.

But that wasn't how it was put. I wasn't arguing whether their production outweighed their turnovers, just simply stating that Bledsoe's turnovers are pretty common when looking at other players that handle the ball a lot. James isn't a point guard, but he has a large turnover per game, as does Harden. Wade isn't a point guard, yet his turnovers are on par with Bledsoe. I wouldn't call Wade, Harden, and James "turnover machines" would you? Westbrook leads the league in turnovers for point guards, would he be called one?

So again, if Bledsoe is one, so are many of the other players in the league which handle the ball often. Man this took up way too much time and effort.

Lol at comparing Bledsoe to Lebron and Harden. Those guys are STUDS! Bledsoe is a scrub turnover machine who will never be good!

Bledsoe's abysmal assist to turnover ratio ratio of 1.38 that barely breaks even and his nearly averaging 5 turnovers per game after the departure of Dragic as the primary ballhandler shouldn't be considered because the sample size was only 17 games and we should assume that he learnt something as CP3's understudy

[Flying Colors]

Getting Gallo would be great for the headlines alone

"Phoenix Suns get their hand on The Big Cock"

[SideSwipe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcqavYIvwWQ

Sign me up for that


Or Seraphin as our backup4.

Cody Zeller can GET UP

I want Cody Zeller too...but who or what can we trade for him?

If he's truly available, I'd assume we could get him just for a future pick. Supposably Hornets have been trying to move him for a few months now.

Zeller is the obvious guy we would want. Young enough to potentially add to our core. Has gator arms but is athletic.

I had looked at Zeller several weeks back, but gave up when we started looking seriously at the playoffs. He actually ranks #5 at PF in RPM rankings just ahead of Lamarcus Aldridge. He is a rare Positive/Positive RPM player which is usually where All-stars are found. His lack of offense is holding him back, but he is athletic, pretty fast and mobile.