Game 19: Phoenix Suns (8-10) @ Detroit Pistons (9-9)

Post #441 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:28 am

Reggie Jackson (+27) just killed our guards. Ersan with a +27 too. I'm guessing Hornacek was concerned Warren and Booker might have trouble against their starters. Their runs were against Stanley Johnson (-25), Steve Blake (-22), and Tolliver (-13). But regardless of that he should have tried them against their starters...they would have had to do better than Bledsoe (-20) and Knight (-17).

SunsRback4Good · Post #442 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:29 am

Its a good thing my phone died, thank you Android. As for the game, only the Suns can blow a huge lead then play with our emotions and lose. I mean even if Knight somehow got that falling back Curry-esque three we'do still lose on a last second half court shot by Drummond.

Post #443 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:31 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I agree. I think we need to cut our losses because right now Kieff is not adding any value to this team. I'm more than fine with moving Tucker too for someone younger.

As good as Booker is already playing, and as good as Leuer and Telly are playing, hell, I don't care if we trade them for picks, even low ones. I'd hope for at least a late first for Kieff. I don't know what kind of value Tucker would have around the league. On a team full of offensive firepower, maybe someone would want him.

But I think since our two starting guards get as many minutes as they do, play start Warren at the 3. As a matter of fact, it might be better to start Booker at the 3, Telly at the 4 and Len, and just have all GREAT shooters in there, and then with TJ and Leuer coming in, they could both create enough offense.

Actually if we could somehow get some kind of PG for Kieff and/or Tucker, even a guy like TJ McConnell who may get squeezed out when Wroten returns (Isaiah Canaan already starting), I'd take it. McConnell, Warren and Leuer would be a decent bench.

I've always felt Tucker is a guy many contending teams want but not willing to give up much assets for. I think it's best to trade them separately. A late 1st might be possible for Kieff but I'm not sure we'll get much more for that. The market on him is super low right now and whoever trades for him will look like a genius if he starts playing even marginally better.

I love TJ off the bench. I think he's less reliant on plays to get him shots so that role would work well for him.

Didn't McConnell play on our summer league or was being scouted by us? He's been playing decent on a pretty shart-worthy Sixers team.

No, TJ McConnell played at AZ but has been killing it in Philly. He was never a huge assist guy in college but has been in the pros. What we was best at in college was his pesky defense and he always was close to leading the nation in steals....he steal is up their in steals in the entire nba.

The guy on our team was a local Phx guy Mickey McConnell who I believe Gorilla Warfare? knows or went to hs with or something.

SunsRback4Good · Post #444 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:32 am

I'd fire half the team and replace them with Ginobiliflops, bwgood, jeff, Matt, Jdiddy, Mulhollanddrive, Kerssed, and few others im forgetting.

New coach: Maryvalefinest

Post #445 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:37 am

JellyRolling wrote:I'd fire half the team and replace them with Ginobiliflops, bwgood, jeff, Matt, Jdiddy, Mulhollanddrive, Kerssed, and few others im forgetting.

New coach: Maryvalefinest

I'd replace a couple of our players with the guys in your sig standing behind the fence.

Jdiddy701 · Post #446 » by **Jdiddy701** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 4:40 am

JellyRolling wrote:I'd fire half the team and replace them with Ginobiliflops, bwgood, jeff, Matt, Jdiddy, Mulhollanddrive, Kerssed, and few others im forgetting.

New coach: Maryvalefinest

Let me run point.

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SunsRback4Good · Post #447 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:00 am

Ask Maryvalefinest, Jdiddy. But knowing him he doesn't like smart high iq pg's ask Steve Nash he'd tell you.

TeamTragic · Post #448 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:04 am

ginobiliflops wrote:What's worse: Our team or RealGM's servers?

PackSuns · Post #449 » by **PackSuns** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:09 am

Wish we would run high ball screens for Bledsoe and Knight. It would free up opportunities for Leur and Tele to pick and pop. When Warren and Booker are in the game we should keep running the high post curl that booker got fouled on a few times tonight.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #450 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:11 am

Aiming to be mediocre and failing to achieve it is soul sapping.

Post #451 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:14 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Aiming to be mediocre and failing to achieve it is soul sapping.

Dude, we just moved firmly into that highly coveted 9th seed spot, trying to hold steady ground.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #452 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:15 am

I did like seeing Warren, Booker, Leuer, Teletovic, Len do well for the roles they're given.

I don't think any of them will become franchise changers in the next few years, but it shows we have enough guys in the rotation if we can just get a no.1 or no.2 type player into the starting line up.

RaisingArizona · Post #453 » by **RaisingArizona** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:17 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I did like seeing Warren, Booker, Leuer, Teletovic, Len do well for the roles they're given.

I don't think any of them will become franchise changers in the next few years, but it shows we have enough guys in the rotation if we can just get a no.1 or no.2 type player into the starting line up.

Booker and Warren might under the right coach. But I agree, we're still missing something. I bet McDonough is going to be busy this holiday season.

Post #454 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:22 am

ginobiliflops wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:I did like seeing Warren, Booker, Leuer, Teletovic, Len do well for the roles they're given.

I don't think any of them will become franchise changers in the next few years, but it shows we have enough guys in the rotation if we can just get a no.1 or no.2 type player into the starting line up.

Booker and Warren might under the right coach. But I agree, we're still missing something. I bet McDonough is going to be busy this holiday season.

Well considering they are playing so well, THEY might be under the right coach. I don't know if some of the others would be right under any coach.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/TheMattPetersen/status/672261444486828032[/tweet]

nevetsov · Post #455 » by **nevetsov** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:24 am

I guess sometimes we forget Horny is only a second year coach. He's going to go through his share of growing pains, just like the players do.

PackSuns · Post #456 » by **PackSuns** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:26 am

The lineups for the next few games will be very telling.

Post #457 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:36 am

nevetsov wrote:I guess sometimes we forget Horny is only a second year coach. He's going to go through his share of growing pains, just like the players do.

Well, third year, but he hasn't had the best of luck with some of the situations he was put in. But it really would have been nice to at least TRY Booker and more Warren against their starters. I know they went on that huge run against Anthony Tolliver, Steve Blake and Stanley Johnson, but if the starters can't get it done, get some of them out of there.

Sarver's got to be really upset. I'm sure he's not happy with Hornacek, but I do really wonder what his thoughts on McD are.

Post #458 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:39 am

Well at least that game was like a roller coaster ride. Except I puked at the end. And that's never happened after a roller coaster ride.

LukasBMW · Post #459 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:40 am

bwgood77 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:I did like seeing Warren, Booker, Leuer, Teletovic, Len do well for the roles they're given.

I don't think any of them will become franchise changers in the next few years, but it shows we have enough guys in the rotation if we can just get a no.1 or no.2 type player into the starting line up.

Booker and Warren might under the right coach. But I agree, we're still missing something. I bet McDonough is going to be busy this holiday season.

Well considering they are playing so well, THEY might be under the right coach. I don't know if some of the others would be right under any coach.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/TheMattPetersen/status/672261444486828032[/tweet]

Well at least Hornacek can see the problem.

That second unit of Price, Booker, Warren, Tele, and Leur was a pleasure to watch. Tons of ball movement, tons of cutting, and full effort on both sides of the ball.

I hate hate hate how Bledsoe and Knight stop the ball. Hate it. It's a major problem. Unless Bledsoe becomes Westrbook 2.0 and Knight becomes pre firearm charges Arenas 2.0, we'll never win. That's because mediocre players don't win games in isolation.

Post #460 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:49 am

LukasBMW wrote:That second unit of Price, Booker, Warren, Tele, and Leur was a pleasure to watch. Tons of ball movement, tons of cutting, and full effort on both sides of the ball.

I hate hate hate how Bledsoe and Knight stop the ball. Hate it. It's a major problem. Unless Bledsoe becomes Westrbook 2.0 and Knight becomes pre firearm charges Arenas 2.0, we'll never win. That's because mediocre players don't win games in isolation.

I agree on both statements. It seems like with two guys who are point guards, passing wouldn't be a problem. And when does Knight pass? Up by 2 with 19 seconds in the ball in his hands he tries to throw it over a defender. I don't know how many times this year I have seen either Knight, Bledsoe, or Morris try this and someone jumps up and steals it. Even Len has done it.

But up by 2 with 19 seconds left AND THE BALL and you turn it over? Then of course we foul Drummond and he sinks both free throws. In OT later he hit nothing, or the bottom of the backboard. Even AFTER Drummond hit the free throws, Bledsoe (although smartly AT LEAST ran the clock down for the last shot), takes a stupid shot. At least we got one off this time.

A lot of blame goes on Hornacek, but Knight also lost that game for us with that dumb ass pass.