Trade Discussion

[AtheJ415]

Heard this on the radio today and I have to completely agree. Ryan McDonough is usually putting a good plan A together but the times plan A doesn't work out his plan B is absolutely horrible and has set this team back badly.

Anyway, the real feeling outside of the Phx fan base and and Phx area, if the Suns come away with a 1st round draft pick for Markeiff right now, it's a win for Phx. It's a harsh truth people need to accept. His piss poor attitude aside, his court play isn't that valued. Truth hurts sometimes.

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Who exactly needs to accept this? I've seen a whopping 1 person say they want to keep Kieff. While many, including me, think we can get more, who is saying they'd be disappointed with getting a first for him?

Relax Chachi, it ain't that serious!

Doesn't need to be serious. Just needs to be at least not entirely fabricated and self-serving.

[Sunsdeuce]

Who exactly needs to accept this? I've seen a whopping 1 person say they want to keep Kieff. While many, including me, think we can get more, who is saying they'd be disappointed with getting a first for him?

Relax Chachi, it ain't that serious!

Doesn't need to be serious. Just needs to be at least not entirely fabricated and self-serving.

You take this stuff way too serious. Especially when people don't Agree with you. It's all good. Sports wouldn't be fun if we all agreed.

[saintEscaton]

Following the Suns these days is kinda therapeutic in a way, kinda like watching a tragicomedy. Don't know whether to laugh or cry at times. Lighten up

[AtheJ415]

Relax Chachi, it ain't that serious!

Doesn't need to be serious. Just needs to be at least not entirely fabricated and self-serving.

You take this stuff way too serious. Especially when people don't Agree with you. It's all good. Sports wouldn't be fun if we all agreed.

Nah. Just would like to have discussions that at least discuss what is actually said on here, instead of a complete fabrication.

[Sunsdeuce]

Following the Suns these days is kinda therapeutic in a way, kinda like watching a tragicomedy. Don't know whether to laugh or cry at times. Lighten up

Well the national view is the Suns are the 3rd most dysfunctional team in the NBA. So that's win. At least we aren't the #1. So yeah it's better to just go with it.

[dremill24]

Who exactly needs to accept this? I've seen a whopping 1 person say they want to keep Kieff. While many, including me, think we can get more, who is saying they'd be disappointed with getting a first for him?

Relax Chachi, it ain't that serious!

Doesn't need to be serious. Just needs to be at least not entirely fabricated and self-serving.

Pretty sure his point is that the prevailing consensus is that a 1st round pick is about as much as he's going to fetch, yet very few here are willing to accept that little (definitely not fabricated). You yourself say you think we can get more, yet imply in the same sentence that you and others are content with the 1st. Which is it?

[Sunsdeuce]

Relax Chachi, it ain't that serious!

Doesn't need to be serious. Just needs to be at least not entirely fabricated and self-serving.

Pretty sure his point is that the prevailing consensus is that a 1st round pick is about as much as he's going to fetch, yet very few here are willing to accept that little (definitely not fabricated). You yourself say you think we can get more, yet imply in the same sentence that you and others are content with the 1st. Which is it?

Bingo. But I'm not worried about. Let's move on.

[lilfishi22]

Following the Suns these days is kinda therapeutic in a way, kinda like watching a tragicomedy. Don't know whether to laugh or cry at times. Lighten up

Well the national view is the Suns are the 3rd most dysfunctional team in the NBA. So that's win. At least we aren't the #1. So yeah it's better to just go with it.

Who else is ahead other than Nets?

[AtheJ415]

Relax Chachi, it ain't that serious!

Doesn't need to be serious. Just needs to be at least not entirely fabricated and self-serving.

Pretty sure his point is that the prevailing consensus is that a 1st round pick is about as much as he's going to fetch, yet very few here are willing to accept that little (definitely not fabricated). You yourself say you think we can get more, yet imply in the same sentence that you and others are content with the 1st. Which is it?

Which is it? What's contradictory about that? I do believe we can get more, but I would be happy with a 1st. For instance, you could think you can sell your car for $27,000, but be happy with $25,000.

I completely disagree that very few here are willing to accept a late first for him if that ends up being the best offer. I would venture to say most on here would be willing to attach something of value just to dump him. Maybe we've been reading different messages though.

[saintEscaton]

Following the Suns these days is kinda therapeutic in a way, kinda like watching a tragicomedy. Don't know whether to laugh or cry at times. Lighten up

Well the national view is the Suns are the 3rd most dysfunctional team in the NBA. So that's win. At least we aren't the #1. So yeah it's better to just go with it.

Who else is ahead other than Nets?

Kings probably, but not for long we will close the gap soon

[NaturalBuns]

Hell no to Rudy Gay id rather keep markieff and hope his attitude changed over taking Gay. Shannon brown all over again him and knight would be tough to watch.

Sucks nothing heard about chandler he's basically impossible to trade when you have two good Centers being FAs this summer. If markieff isn't traded by Suns practice tomorrow that to me is a sign he stays. Unless he's told not to show up

PJ should net us something he's like the most guaranteed wanted player who's
Not youth for us. Knight really should be expendable of giving the opportunity booker has showed he's starter quality SG at 19. Archie has shown hes very capable of being Bledsoe backup and will still grow

[jcsunsfan]

Wow. Good thing this is only an online meeting place. The tension is building big time. If Kieff isn't traded it's going to be an all out brawl.

It really is an interesting study in human emotion group dynamics.

I hope we can all go back to being Suns fans soon and not have to pick sides over what to do with Kieff.

We've got the "trade him for anything group" vs the "hold out for the best deal" group. Is this really worth getting all of our panties in a wad?


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[Mulhollanddrive]

Interesting where the direction goes from here:

If we:

Trade Knight/Chandler for younger pieces = rebuild
Trade Markieff/Tucker/Teletovic for bits and pieces = same
Trade Markieff and pieces for Gay or Howard = win now

The funny thing is we have absolutely no idea!

[jcsunsfan]

Its ok a lot of our posters are experiencing cognitive dissonance trying to justify giving him away for pennies on the dollar

Why did we trade him anyway? Wasn't it to try to appease Dragic whom already had requested to be traded? Did we really want to get Knight that badly? Because right now Isaiah is ostensibly a better and cheaper Brandon Knight.

I seem to remember some things being said about IT eventually just not being ok with coming off the bench. and they just weren't gonna have a 6'0"/5'9" starting backcourt so they just moved him almost as a favor to him at that point.

I think this nails it. There was no way he was going to be happy here. Same for Dragic.


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[Cactus Jack]

Following the Suns these days is kinda therapeutic in a way, kinda like watching a tragicomedy. Don't know whether to laugh or cry at times. Lighten up

Was a fan during the Nash/Amare days. Grew up a Sonics fan. But, STAT was a favorite of mine. He was the closest thing to Shawn Kemp in my view. I have family in AZ & have even thought about making Phx my home. So I would love to see the team be good again. Its a shame what Sarver has done. Howard Schultz also ran the Sonics on the cheap & eventually into the ground. I hope things turn around soon.

[dremill24]

Doesn't need to be serious. Just needs to be at least not entirely fabricated and self-serving.

Pretty sure his point is that the prevailing consensus is that a 1st round pick is about as much as he's going to fetch, yet very few here are willing to accept that little (definitely not fabricated). You yourself say you think we can get more, yet imply in the same sentence that you and others are content with the 1st. Which is it?

Which is it? What's contradictory about that? I do believe we can get more, but I would be happy with a 1st. For instance, you could think you can sell your car for $27,000, but be happy with $25,000.

I completely disagree that very few here are willing to accept a late first for him if that ends up being the best offer. I would venture to say most on here would be willing to attach something of value just to dump him. Maybe we've been reading different messages though.

You seemed to be resisting his urge to accept that a 1st is the best we can get, then say you and others expect more. After that implying you and many are good with it. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but it definitely comes off contradictory.

TBH I do think we're reading different stuff if you think people would attach something to dump him. I had a half dozen crazies jump down my throat today when I said (in some hyperbole to demonstrate how his value is so low) I thought it'd be a win if all we could get was expiring at this point. There's even a poll about it lol and the answer is overwhelmingly no to that, so not sure why you'd think people are good with sending assets to dump him.

[Qwigglez]

I would trade Knight for Rudy Gay.

[Mulhollanddrive]

McDonough said his main problem was that he tried to do things too fast after season 1.

The issue is that he's also said 6 years is too long to be out of playoffs and wants to make it back there ASAP, so he seems committed to the original mistake.

[Cactus Jack]

Well the national view is the Suns are the 3rd most dysfunctional team in the NBA. So that's win. At least we aren't the #1. So yeah it's better to just go with it.

Who else is ahead other than Nets?

Kings probably, but not for long we will close the gap soon

The Kings are a mess. The league would of been better off had the team moved.

Ranadive is a joke. Feel for George Karl. Never should of taken that job.

[King4Day]

I remember last year when there was talk about what we might get for Dragic and that he may not even be traded and that we'd take our chances to convince him to stay.
We'll deal Kieff for something. Everyone is getting up in arms over rumors from sources who aren't sources.

We'll be OK.