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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#441 » by NavLDO » Fri Nov 4, 2016 2:40 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:I agree with everything about your post and have preached that I don't want a revolving door of trading key players and disrupting things. I like PJ and want him to play. I would like to see Bender play as well. And Ulis. Keeping Tucker is fine. I certainly don't think there is a need to re-sign him to our team, in the state we are in right now, after this year, so, if near the trade deadline we can trade him to a place that wants or needs him, good for him and it opens up time for the guy we just drafted for our future.


Or Bender proves he is a better player than PJ and earns his minutes this year. That would be optimal but if you trade PJ then we are thin at SF in the event of a Warren or Bender injury.



And by the way, we don't have tremendous chemistry yet. We luckily won a game with a 3 pt shot in OT. We don't have very good ball movement. We need to get to a point where we can get to that chemistry and I don't think Knight will help in that regard and I doubt Tucker is around in the long run so to get rid of them sooner than later and have that core group that we keep together for a long time is what I'd like to see.


Yet even with poor chemistry we were in close games with the Warriors and Thunder (OT) and with a few more lucky bounces could be 3-2 instead of 1-4. It is certainly possible we go 5-0 in the next week and sit at 6-4. Especially if we see any improvement in shooting out of either Booker or Knight. If both of them get hot then watch out. So really it is premature to think about any trades ... Tucker, Knight, or otherwise until we see how this team meshes. When the first trades are allowed in mid-December we will have a much better idea.


I disagree about being thin at SF; to me, where we are most thin is PF. I know Dudley is technically a PF, but I think Dudley could fill the hole at SF, if we had one. Not to mention, we could bring DJ Jr. in from the 'NAZ' Suns to fill some minutes. I know he's extremely raw, but he could fill in for likely 10-15 minutes and not kill us.

But the major point, I would make, is that in today' 'position-less' NBA, I believe we could put 5 guys on the court, and run an 8-9 player rotation. And regardless on whether we had Tucker or not, if we lost both Warren and Bender to injury, it's going to hurt us substantially. And if we trade a player, we'll likely get one back in return; the player would just likely be a younger SF/PF type that needs some development.

And on the last point highlighted above, I agree. We can speculate now, but making any trades right now would be a bad idea. Not only because we don't know how our team would mesh with Knight. Tucker, etc., but we also do not know what we are getting back after 5-6 games. The player we acquire might not 'be' what we were actually interested in going after; best to wait until December to get a better idea.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#442 » by bigfoot » Fri Nov 4, 2016 3:07 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:I agree with everything about your post and have preached that I don't want a revolving door of trading key players and disrupting things. I like PJ and want him to play. I would like to see Bender play as well. And Ulis. Keeping Tucker is fine. I certainly don't think there is a need to re-sign him to our team, in the state we are in right now, after this year, so, if near the trade deadline we can trade him to a place that wants or needs him, good for him and it opens up time for the guy we just drafted for our future.


Or Bender proves he is a better player than PJ and earns his minutes this year. That would be optimal but if you trade PJ then we are thin at SF in the event of a Warren or Bender injury.

As for Knight, so far he is costing us by shooting poorly. Had he not, we might be winning. I can't see a team wanting him, but if they did, I would trade him and move on with the continuity you talk about above from there. Knight has been overall a SG who shoots sub 40% for us and costs us games. If family and happiness is more important than winning in the long run, than by all means, lets just have a happy family. I hope he turns it around, but at this point, I've had those hopes for over a year and a half with nothing delivered. The problem is we are likely stuck with him (because I can't imagine who would want him), so I guess if he keeps helping us lose, we can look at the silver lining of another pick. It just sucks that if he continues playing this way for us and we play him a lot he will contribute to that for another three years after this one.


The same could be said for Booker. His offense is killing us right now. Both Knight and Booker have nearly identical advanced stats. In fact Knight is better in many areas. So we should get rid of Booker (20) versus Knight (24). This is a symptom of revolving players. You'll never establish a rhythm to the offense or ball movement through passing without some consistency in the roster. Let these guys play together and establish it. We end up relying on hero ball and isolation play because the trust as an offensive unit has not matured sufficiently.

And by the way, we don't have tremendous chemistry yet. We luckily won a game with a 3 pt shot in OT. We don't have very good ball movement. We need to get to a point where we can get to that chemistry and I don't think Knight will help in that regard and I doubt Tucker is around in the long run so to get rid of them sooner than later and have that core group that we keep together for a long time is what I'd like to see.


Yet even with poor chemistry we were in close games with the Warriors and Thunder (OT) and with a few more lucky bounces could be 3-2 instead of 1-4. It is certainly possible we go 5-0 in the next week and sit at 6-4. Especially if we see any improvement in shooting out of either Booker or Knight. If both of them get hot then watch out. So really it is premature to think about any trades ... Tucker, Knight, or otherwise until we see how this team meshes. When the first trades are allowed in mid-December we will have a much better idea.


I'm not sure what you are hoping for but we have plenty of capability at the 3, and Bender has already outplayed Tucker. If he's being played for trade value, fine.



I'm hoping we do nothing. We will not get fair value for Knight in any trade. Your evaluation of Tucker versus Bender has too few minutes played by Bender to be considered valid. I trust the eye test of coaches like Watson, Gentry, and Horny. Bender will get his day in court. It just may not be until next year when Tucker has signed with another team.

If we entertain trades, I believe what we might get in return for Tucker will be less than the damage done to team chemistry and player trust in management and ownership. We need to make serious investments in building trust and chemistry. That investment will attract better free agents and help us retain our good players like Warren and Booker when contracts come due. Now if we are out of playoff contention come the trade deadline in February we consider moving Tucker or sitting him in favor of playing the younger guys. That will give Bender plenty of time to prove himself.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#443 » by dremill24 » Fri Nov 4, 2016 4:21 pm

I'm gonna laugh pretty hard when we re-sign PJ this summer.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#444 » by OGBAH » Fri Nov 4, 2016 4:33 pm

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#445 » by NavLDO » Fri Nov 4, 2016 4:48 pm

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Or Bender proves he is a better player than PJ and earns his minutes this year. That would be optimal but if you trade PJ then we are thin at SF in the event of a Warren or Bender injury.



The same could be said for Booker. His offense is killing us right now. Both Knight and Booker have nearly identical advanced stats. In fact Knight is better in many areas. So we should get rid of Booker (20) versus Knight (24). This is a symptom of revolving players. You'll never establish a rhythm to the offense or ball movement through passing without some consistency in the roster. Let these guys play together and establish it. We end up relying on hero ball and isolation play because the trust as an offensive unit has not matured sufficiently.



Yet even with poor chemistry we were in close games with the Warriors and Thunder (OT) and with a few more lucky bounces could be 3-2 instead of 1-4. It is certainly possible we go 5-0 in the next week and sit at 6-4. Especially if we see any improvement in shooting out of either Booker or Knight. If both of them get hot then watch out. So really it is premature to think about any trades ... Tucker, Knight, or otherwise until we see how this team meshes. When the first trades are allowed in mid-December we will have a much better idea.


I'm not sure what you are hoping for but we have plenty of capability at the 3, and Bender has already outplayed Tucker. If he's being played for trade value, fine.



I'm hoping we do nothing. We will not get fair value for Knight in any trade. Your evaluation of Tucker versus Bender has too few minutes played by Bender to be considered valid. I trust the eye test of coaches like Watson, Gentry, and Horny. Bender will get his day in court. It just may not be until next year when Tucker has signed with another team.

If we entertain trades, I believe what we might get in return for Tucker will be less than the damage done to team chemistry and player trust in management and ownership. We need to make serious investments in building trust and chemistry. That investment will attract better free agents and help us retain our good players like Warren and Booker when contracts come due. Now if we are out of playoff contention come the trade deadline in February we consider moving Tucker or sitting him in favor of playing the younger guys. That will give Bender plenty of time to prove himself.


I dare, regarding Tucker, anyone make a negative comment towards McD or this FO were we to trade him. We've stood behind him through his DUI, and his multiple team infractions, for anyone to make a negative comment regarding our commitment to Tucker; not many other organizations would have simply based upon the ROI from his play. That's my opinion, anyway.

I also disagree that we are likely not to get any 'fair' value for Knight; a SG who shoots .400 from 2, .333 from 3, and has a 4.77 to 3.16 Asst-to-TO ratio per game that's set to get paid $44M over the next 3 years, or $14.63M over the next 3 years, for 19pts/gm on 40% shooting, isn't worth very much. And that doesn't even account for jacked-up, long 2s at the buzzer, and other follies he brings to the game.

I know what you are trying to say, Bigfoot, and I agree often with your sentiment. But speaking 'literally', w could get 'fair value' for Knight; the problem is, nobody here is going to like that 'fair value'. What we AREN'T likely to get back in return is similar value to what we paid for him, and your right, that isn't 'fair' to us--the 'value' that is what we would get back. We keep waiting for Knight to return back to form of his "Bucks" days of play, when he was shooting higher from 3 than he is now from 2...

Someone may be able to develop him, but it clearly is not us...

...so I'm not REALLY disagreeing with you on this Bigfoot; it's just that it's frustrating for us as fans to be in this situation.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#446 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 4, 2016 7:53 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
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Or Bender proves he is a better player than PJ and earns his minutes this year. That would be optimal but if you trade PJ then we are thin at SF in the event of a Warren or Bender injury.



The same could be said for Booker. His offense is killing us right now. Both Knight and Booker have nearly identical advanced stats. In fact Knight is better in many areas. So we should get rid of Booker (20) versus Knight (24). This is a symptom of revolving players. You'll never establish a rhythm to the offense or ball movement through passing without some consistency in the roster. Let these guys play together and establish it. We end up relying on hero ball and isolation play because the trust as an offensive unit has not matured sufficiently.



Yet even with poor chemistry we were in close games with the Warriors and Thunder (OT) and with a few more lucky bounces could be 3-2 instead of 1-4. It is certainly possible we go 5-0 in the next week and sit at 6-4. Especially if we see any improvement in shooting out of either Booker or Knight. If both of them get hot then watch out. So really it is premature to think about any trades ... Tucker, Knight, or otherwise until we see how this team meshes. When the first trades are allowed in mid-December we will have a much better idea.


I'm not sure what you are hoping for but we have plenty of capability at the 3, and Bender has already outplayed Tucker. If he's being played for trade value, fine.



I'm hoping we do nothing. We will not get fair value for Knight in any trade. Your evaluation of Tucker versus Bender has too few minutes played by Bender to be considered valid. I trust the eye test of coaches like Watson, Gentry, and Horny. Bender will get his day in court. It just may not be until next year when Tucker has signed with another team.

If we entertain trades, I believe what we might get in return for Tucker will be less than the damage done to team chemistry and player trust in management and ownership. We need to make serious investments in building trust and chemistry. That investment will attract better free agents and help us retain our good players like Warren and Booker when contracts come due. Now if we are out of playoff contention come the trade deadline in February we consider moving Tucker or sitting him in favor of playing the younger guys. That will give Bender plenty of time to prove himself.


I don't even know what fair value for Knight is. It's certainly subjective. Is it unloading his contract without having to give something up in order for someone to take him?

What is the value of a turnover prone combo guard who doesn't pass much but shoots 33.8% and 25% from 3? In his very best season for us, he shot 41.5% and 34.2% from 3, with 5.1 assists and 3.4 turnovers. This year he is at 2.6 assists and 2.6 turnovers.

If a guy doesn't help you win (often), but often helps you lose, and most of his "good" games are in games you already have in hand and most of his terrible games, particularly down the stretch are in nail biters, why would anyone want him around?

As far as Tucker is concerned, over time I have thought he was worth playing, loved his energy and how he left his heart on the floor, but it feels like we have embraced the rebuilding process finally and didn't go overspend in free agency for vets in hopes of squeezing into the playoffs (even though that is the coaches and players goal). I think McD is well aware this team isn't built to make the playoffs this year but is being built to be a team hopefully ready to contend and be a consistent playoff team in 2-4 years. It's possible next year if things break right. This year I feel it would require massive injuries to several teams which is not something I want to see.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#447 » by bigfoot » Fri Nov 4, 2016 9:25 pm

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I'm not sure what you are hoping for but we have plenty of capability at the 3, and Bender has already outplayed Tucker. If he's being played for trade value, fine.



I'm hoping we do nothing. We will not get fair value for Knight in any trade. Your evaluation of Tucker versus Bender has too few minutes played by Bender to be considered valid. I trust the eye test of coaches like Watson, Gentry, and Horny. Bender will get his day in court. It just may not be until next year when Tucker has signed with another team.

If we entertain trades, I believe what we might get in return for Tucker will be less than the damage done to team chemistry and player trust in management and ownership. We need to make serious investments in building trust and chemistry. That investment will attract better free agents and help us retain our good players like Warren and Booker when contracts come due. Now if we are out of playoff contention come the trade deadline in February we consider moving Tucker or sitting him in favor of playing the younger guys. That will give Bender plenty of time to prove himself.


I don't even know what fair value for Knight is. It's certainly subjective. Is it unloading his contract without having to give something up in order for someone to take him?

What is the value of a turnover prone combo guard who doesn't pass much but shoots 33.8% and 25% from 3? In his very best season for us, he shot 41.5% and 34.2% from 3, with 5.1 assists and 3.4 turnovers. This year he is at 2.6 assists and 2.6 turnovers.

If a guy doesn't help you win (often), but often helps you lose, and most of his "good" games are in games you already have in hand and most of his terrible games, particularly down the stretch are in nail biters, why would anyone want him around?

As far as Tucker is concerned, over time I have thought he was worth playing, loved his energy and how he left his heart on the floor, but it feels like we have embraced the rebuilding process finally and didn't go overspend in free agency for vets in hopes of squeezing into the playoffs (even though that is the coaches and players goal). I think McD is well aware this team isn't built to make the playoffs this year but is being built to be a team hopefully ready to contend and be a consistent playoff team in 2-4 years. It's possible next year if things break right. This year I feel it would require massive injuries to several teams which is not something I want to see.


Obviously I didn't state my hopes properly so let me try again. I hope we don't make any trades this season. There we go ... that should be crystal clear. Now for the why. Whatever trade value we get back from moving a player like Tucker or Knight moves the needle backward in terms of how players, league wide, view the Suns organization. It certainly will not move the needle forward in terms of wins. Watson has started to move the culture needle in the right direction and trades will destroy the groundwork he is just beginning to lay.

And if you are not convinced that we need to improve our culture just look at the crap we have done in the last five years.

Traded the Morri
Traded Granger and Bullock
Fired Horny
Fired Sichting and Longabardi
Traded Tolliver
Traded Thomas
Traded the Dragic Bros
Traded Plumlee and Ennis
Traded Scola
Traded Caron Butler
Fired Blanks
Fired Gentry

Tell me that word doesn't get around league about how the Suns aren't player/family friendly. They've been bad mouthed in the national and social media. We are ranked as the worst team in the NBA, the worst owner, etc and unable to get big free agents. So much of it is self inflicted because the front office treats the players and other personnel as a commodity instead of a human being. Watson is slowly making the shift to humanize the Suns organization. Look how Archie went out. It was quiet and amicable. We should give Watson's plan a chance to grow. I used the Spurs organization as an example of a team that makes very few trades. Two in fifteen years and compare that to 11+ players for the Suns in last five plus firing two coaches and a GM.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#448 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 4, 2016 9:39 pm

bigfoot wrote:Obviously I didn't state my hopes properly so let me try again. I hope we don't make any trades this season. There we go ... that should be crystal clear. Now for the why. Whatever trade value we get back from moving a player like Tucker or Knight moves the needle backward in terms of how players, league wide, view the Suns organization. It certainly will not move the needle forward in terms of wins. Watson has started to move the culture needle in the right direction and trades will destroy the groundwork he is just beginning to lay.

And if you are not convinced that we need to improve our culture just look at the crap we have done in the last five years.

Traded the Morri
Traded Granger and Bullock
Fired Horny
Fired Sichting and Longabardi
Traded Tolliver
Traded Thomas
Traded the Dragic Bros
Traded Plumlee and Ennis
Traded Scola
Traded Caron Butler
Fired Blanks
Fired Gentry

Tell me that word doesn't get around league about how the Suns aren't player/family friendly. They've been bad mouthed in the national and social media. We are ranked as the worst team in the NBA, the worst owner, etc and unable to get big free agents. So much of it is self inflicted because the front office treats the players and other personnel as a commodity instead of a human being. Watson is slowly making the shift to humanize the Suns organization. Look how Archie went out. It was quiet and amicable. We should give Watson's plan a chance to grow. I used the Spurs organization as an example of a team that makes very few trades. Two in fifteen years and compare that to 11+ players for the Suns in last five plus firing two coaches and a GM.


I agree in theory with everything you say and have been preaching continuity for quite some time, though I felt that was when we were really trying to be competitive and not really focus solely on rebuilding.

Players love playing in the atmosphere that has been created though I am not entirely sure I feel this way with Knight. Most of the time to me it doesn't feel like he is embracing the family concept but is playing for himself. I don't necessarily want to see trades, but I would like to see a little change in the minute distribution and style of play.

I don't like iso ball.

I want to see a lot of ball movement. I was and am excited about this Suns team, but honestly, if TJ Warren hadn't been playing so well in a few games, things would have looked extremely ugly at this point and no matter what people perceive the atmosphere to be, the fan base and league wouldn't view us in a positive light no matter how many times the word family is mentioned.

That last win really saved us. Hopefully it provides a spark. Hopefully Booker turns it around. I really hope Knight changes his style of play because it's just not enjoyable for me to watch and I don't expect him to help us win often. He will on occasion, and we will have that hope it continues, and I'd love to see a 180 in his style of play.
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Post#449 » by TeamTragic » Fri Nov 4, 2016 10:18 pm

Toronto interested in Noel. Brook Lopez made available by Brooklyn. Interesting.
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Post#450 » by thamadkant » Fri Nov 4, 2016 10:37 pm

If Suns cant have Cousins or Okafor... Lopez is a good substitute.

He has 3pt range now....

He is a 20ppg 8rpg 2bpg big man.... With 3pt range.
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Post#451 » by thamadkant » Sat Nov 5, 2016 2:21 am

Knight + Len
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C: Chandler 30 / Lopez 18
PF: Dudley 20 / Lopez 16 / Chriss 12
SF: Warren 34 / Bender 14
SG: Booker 34 / Barbosa 10 / Bledsoe 4
PG: Bledsoe 30 / Ulis 14 / Barbosa 4
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Post#452 » by LukasBMW » Sat Nov 5, 2016 7:08 am

Why would the Nets trade Lopez?

They don't have any draft picks so tanking makes no sense AND he is their only good player.

The only trade that makes sense for them is moving him in exchange for a bulk of young talent.

The other team would have to be a team on the cusp of competing and have attractive young players or picks.

Maybe to OKC in exchange for assets to help OKC on the inside or maybe Portland.

Sure we have Knight and Len, but I don't know that either of those is attractive.

If we could get him for spare parts? Absolutely! But I'm not keen on moving any picks for him.
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Post#453 » by thamadkant » Sat Nov 5, 2016 10:30 am

LukasBMW wrote:Why would the Nets trade Lopez?

They don't have any draft picks so tanking makes no sense AND he is their only good player.

The only trade that makes sense for them is moving him in exchange for a bulk of young talent.

The other team would have to be a team on the cusp of competing and have attractive young players or picks.

Maybe to OKC in exchange for assets to help OKC on the inside or maybe Portland.

Sure we have Knight and Len, but I don't know that either of those is attractive.

If we could get him for spare parts? Absolutely! But I'm not keen on moving any picks for him.



I thinl he almost got dealt for a first rounder last season.... I would assume between pick 15 and pick 20.

Nets will trade him of they can get a couple of assets preferrably young and maybe a pick.
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Post#454 » by Fo-Real » Sat Nov 5, 2016 1:04 pm

I think a signed Knight at 24 and control over a very young 7'1 Alex Len counts as young talent going forward. I have mentioned this exact trade in the past and think Lopez is still an Allstar right now, but I don't know if he fits in any window we have or makes us ultra competitive right now.
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Post#455 » by NavLDO » Sat Nov 5, 2016 3:02 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Why would the Nets trade Lopez?

They don't have any draft picks so tanking makes no sense AND he is their only good player.

The only trade that makes sense for them is moving him in exchange for a bulk of young talent.

The other team would have to be a team on the cusp of competing and have attractive young players or picks.

Maybe to OKC in exchange for assets to help OKC on the inside or maybe Portland.

Sure we have Knight and Len, but I don't know that either of those is attractive.

If we could get him for spare parts? Absolutely! But I'm not keen on moving any picks for him.


Hey...That's fits the Suns' description to a 'T' !! (j/k, but let's play along, shall we??)

So one reason why they might be interested in trading Lopez would be a complete make over, and in hopes of attaching a couple of other players in the deal, then receiving young players and picks, as you alluded. I think you are spot on with your assessment of WHY they would even consider trading Lopez.

I think if McD is smart, he can put together a nice pkg that doesn't hurt our future too much, yet gets us Lopez (assuming we even want him, but for argument sake, let's say McD/Sarver discuss and Sarver says..."Make it happen!! I want to 'win' NLT next season!!")

So, based upon FA restrictions, a lot of Nets player are off the table, so if a trade were to take place right now, this would likely be our best bet, (and let's not 'over-value' Bledsoe here, either; he's not an All-Star or even close to an All-NBA PG) with us adding in a 1st, be it our lottery protected 2018 pick, or if pushed, the Heat 2018 pick:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z3xegua

Leaves us with basically, any mixture that works at PG...and I hate to keep hammering the point, but the NBA IS going towards, I'll call it, 'position-vague' or 'position-nebulous', so same concept we ran with a '2-PG-system', this would be like a '2-SG-system'; we could have a Booker/Ulis, Booker/Bogdanovic, or Booker/Barbosa backcourt. And LeVert is a guy I liked coming out, but his injuries will likely result in him being a career bench player, even though he likely has starter-ability, and played both PG and SG in college, and averaged 40% from 3PT over his last 3 seasons combined on 4 attempts per game, so with that said:

Booker/Ulis/LeVert
Bogdanovic/Jenkins/Barbosa
Warren/Tucker/Derrick Jones Jr.
Chriss/Bender/Dudley
Lopez/Chandler/Williams

If we wait until December, that opens a lot of other possibilities...and if we do this, I say 'screw it' an put Dudley at the end of the rotation and get Chriss and Bender as much time as possible with Lopez NOW, so we can be competitive next season.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#456 » by Barkley_34 » Sat Nov 5, 2016 3:30 pm

NavLDO wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Why would the Nets trade Lopez?

They don't have any draft picks so tanking makes no sense AND he is their only good player.

The only trade that makes sense for them is moving him in exchange for a bulk of young talent.

The other team would have to be a team on the cusp of competing and have attractive young players or picks.

Maybe to OKC in exchange for assets to help OKC on the inside or maybe Portland.

Sure we have Knight and Len, but I don't know that either of those is attractive.

If we could get him for spare parts? Absolutely! But I'm not keen on moving any picks for him.


Hey...That's fits the Suns' description to a 'T' !! (j/k, but let's play along, shall we??)

So one reason why they might be interested in trading Lopez would be a complete make over, and in hopes of attaching a couple of other players in the deal, then receiving young players and picks, as you alluded. I think you are spot on with your assessment of WHY they would even consider trading Lopez.

I think if McD is smart, he can put together a nice pkg that doesn't hurt our future too much, yet gets us Lopez (assuming we even want him, but for argument sake, let's say McD/Sarver discuss and Sarver says..."Make it happen!! I want to 'win' NLT next season!!")

So, based upon FA restrictions, a lot of Nets player are off the table, so if a trade were to take place right now, this would likely be our best bet, (and let's not 'over-value' Bledsoe here, either; he's not an All-Star or even close to an All-NBA PG) with us adding in a 1st, be it our lottery protected 2018 pick, or if pushed, the Heat 2018 pick:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z3xegua

Leaves us with basically, any mixture that works at PG...and I hate to keep hammering the point, but the NBA IS going towards, I'll call it, 'position-vague' or 'position-nebulous', so same concept we ran with a '2-PG-system', this would be like a '2-SG-system'; we could have a Booker/Ulis, Booker/Bogdanovic, or Booker/Barbosa backcourt. And LeVert is a guy I liked coming out, but his injuries will likely result in him being a career bench player, even though he likely has starter-ability, and played both PG and SG in college, and averaged 40% from 3PT over his last 3 seasons combined on 4 attempts per game, so with that said:

Booker/Ulis/LeVert
Bogdanovic/Jenkins/Barbosa
Warren/Tucker/Derrick Jones Jr.
Chriss/Bender/Dudley
Lopez/Chandler/Williams

If we wait until December, that opens a lot of other possibilities...and if we do this, I say 'screw it' an put Dudley at the end of the rotation and get Chriss and Bender as much time as possible with Lopez NOW, so we can be competitive next season.


This trade is horrible. Our team would be without any defense with this trade. Jesus No!
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Post#457 » by Barkley_34 » Sat Nov 5, 2016 3:39 pm

I can not understand why some posters of this forum always want to involve Bledsoe in trades that brings nothing better for our franchise.Bledsoe is one of the best defensive pgs in this league with great offensive potential and fits perfectly with booker and warren, coming still evolving defensively. People here have to have more patience with him, since improved his skills this season!
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#458 » by NTB » Sat Nov 5, 2016 3:49 pm

Gentry on players he coached in Phoenix – Jared Dudley and Leandro Barbosa – returning to the Suns this season: “When I was there, they were great. They’re great locker room guys. There’s a maturity about them that they understand where they are in their careers and they’re going to do everything they can to help the young guys. You can put them on the court and they can be productive. That’s a win-win-win all the way around.”

Gentry on the Suns: “This team right here is going to be a good team. They’ve got a lot of pieces. They can score the basketball. They’ve got great quickness in their backcourt.”


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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#459 » by OGBAH » Sat Nov 5, 2016 3:53 pm

When Bled is playing well (meaning he's not out 60 games with injury) is why we include him in trades. No one wants Len or Knight we're not trading Booker Warren or the kids. There's no one else to rosterbate about.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#460 » by OGBAH » Sat Nov 5, 2016 3:55 pm

And next draft is pg heavy so if there's a good deal for Bled I'd listen.

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