Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 2: End This Knightmare!

[Qwigglez]

I really think the best trade partner for the Suns is the Magic. Bledsoe/Chandler for Jeff Green/Vucevic and possibly a 1st coming back to us. We really need to trade Bledsoe this season while his value is high. I don't want him around when we get a top PG out of the draft.
I guess the Kings would be another option but then I don't want to see Bledsoe/Cousins against us 4 times a year.
The Pelicans would be interesting if they didn't want to pay Jrue this offseason. They could do Bledsoe/Chandler for Jrue/Tyreke and a 1st coming back to us.
Here's my last one... Bledsoe/Chandler/Knight for Rose/Jennings. Not sure what kind of picks the Knicks have to offer though.

[Qwigglez]

Spoiler:

Not even close for Minnesota. Neither of Wiggins/LaVine are getting moved in a deal where Bledsoe is the best piece coming back.

Uh, Warren isn't a throw in. He's pretty legit. I actually think Warren on the wing would be perfect for KAT because Warren is a great slasher.
And obviously the trade is lopsided in favor of the Suns, since this is the Suns board.
I'm sure you guys are trying to figure out a trade where you get Jimmy Butler but keep KAT/Wiggins/LaVine.

That's fair. I know it's fun to dream on the team boards so these types of pie in the sky proposals pop up.

Really just spit-balling and having fun with trade machine. I nailed last year's Kieff trade before the season started so be careful, my trade ideas are obviously well thought out.

[OrlandoDream]

Quick question for PHX fans on what your future plans at the PG and lottery.

So we all know this draft is the strongest in decades and one with legit 3-5 all star PG. You guys are in a position to land a top 3 pick now and potentially win the lottery to draft a star player. So does the franchise go with;

A). Draft a generation talent like Ball or Fultz and have a young core centred around Ball/Fultz, Book, and TJ Warren and consider cashing in on Bledsoe?

B). Draft Josh Jackson who plays like a Wiggins/Tmac mix and have a core of Bledsoe, Booker, Jackson and consider moving Warren?

The reason I ask is bc the Magics biggest need and weak spot is at the PG. Elfrid Payton is great when he has a big game but he is just too inconsistent in his effort and I fear management is getting impatient and will make a move and pay for a consistent veteran PG like Bledsoe pending availability. With that said, during his time in PHX, how does Bledsoe fair as a defender vs opposing guards? Thanks

[bwgood77]

Quick question for PHX fans on what your future plans at the PG and lottery.

So we all know this draft is the strongest in decades and one with legit 3-5 all star PG. You guys are in a position to land a top 3 pick now and potentially win the lottery to draft a star player. So does the franchise go with;

A). Draft a generation talent like Ball or Fultz and have a young core centred around Ball/Fultz, Book, and TJ Warren and consider cashing in on Bledsoe?

B). Draft Josh Jackson who plays like a Wiggins/Tmac mix and have a core of Bledsoe, Booker, Jackson and consider moving Warren?

The reason I ask is bc the Magics biggest need and weak spot is at the PG. Elfrid Payton is great when he has a big game but he is just too inconsistent in his effort and I fear management is getting impatient and will make a move and pay for a consistent veteran PG like Bledsoe pending availability. With that said, during his time in PHX, how does Bledsoe fair as a defender vs opposing guards? Thanks

Well, that's what all the talk is about. I think we all have a top pg or two along with Josh Jackson at the top. I think many would prefer to cash in on Bledsoe to maximize asset value and get a PG in this draft. Some here though love Bledsoe and more importantly, all signs point to the front office and coach being behind Bledsoe, so in that case, they might go with Jackson. Of course it depends on who they feel has the highest upside or their definition of BPA.

They could even keep Bledsoe and draft a PG, though I imagine at some point after that Bledsoe might be on his way out. They already drafted Ulis too, who is best buddies with Booker and there is a chance that plays some part in what happens, though I sincerely hope they don't make draft choices simply to appease a player.

I think the overall feeling though is that it's probably time to move on from Bledsoe when he likely has the highest value and is basically ruining his peak playing on a terrible team. We could likely get a decent return and also draft a PG.

Again, though, there are no indications at all from the FO or coaching staff that this is anything but Bledsoe's team.

In any case, I'd probably rather keep Warren even if we do draft Jackson. First of all, no draft pick is a sure thing, and secondly, Warren could at worst likely be a very effective scorer off the bench.

Bledsoe is thought of as a good defender, but he does have a negative DRPM this year. He CAN be good but he gambles for steals a lot. He is likely one of the best shot blocking point guards for his size though.

That said, if we did trade Bledsoe to you I don't think we'd want someone like Payton for Vucevic back, so I'm not sure how it would work. Wouldn't mind a pick and a prospect or something.

[asudevil]

I really think the best trade partner for the Suns is the Magic. Bledsoe/Chandler for Jeff Green/Vucevic and possibly a 1st coming back to us. We really need to trade Bledsoe this season while his value is high. I don't want him around when we get a top PG out of the draft.
I guess the Kings would be another option but then I don't want to see Bledsoe/Cousins against us 4 times a year.
The Pelicans would be interesting if they didn't want to pay Jrue this offseason. They could do Bledsoe/Chandler for Jrue/Tyreke and a 1st coming back to us.
Here's my last one... Bledsoe/Chandler/Knight for Rose/Jennings. Not sure what kind of picks the Knicks have to offer though.

I'm fairly confused by this post. You talk about needing to trade Bledsoe while his value is high, yet in each trade he's traded for essentially an expiring contract and "possibly" a first rounder. IMO all those trades are "lets trade Bledsoe now that he's injured and see what we can get for him" trades.

[OrlandoDream]

Quick question for PHX fans on what your future plans at the PG and lottery.

So we all know this draft is the strongest in decades and one with legit 3-5 all star PG. You guys are in a position to land a top 3 pick now and potentially win the lottery to draft a star player. So does the franchise go with;

A). Draft a generation talent like Ball or Fultz and have a young core centred around Ball/Fultz, Book, and TJ Warren and consider cashing in on Bledsoe?

B). Draft Josh Jackson who plays like a Wiggins/Tmac mix and have a core of Bledsoe, Booker, Jackson and consider moving Warren?

The reason I ask is bc the Magics biggest need and weak spot is at the PG. Elfrid Payton is great when he has a big game but he is just too inconsistent in his effort and I fear management is getting impatient and will make a move and pay for a consistent veteran PG like Bledsoe pending availability. With that said, during his time in PHX, how does Bledsoe fair as a defender vs opposing guards? Thanks

Well, that's what all the talk is about. I think we all have a top pg or two along with Josh Jackson at the top. I think many would prefer to cash in on Bledsoe to maximize asset value and get a PG in this draft. Some here though love Bledsoe and more importantly, all signs point to the front office and coach being behind Bledsoe, so in that case, they might go with Jackson. Of course it depends on who they feel has the highest upside or their definition of BPA.

They could even keep Bledsoe and draft a PG, though I imagine at some point after that Bledsoe might be on his way out. They already drafted Ulis too, who is best buddies with Booker and there is a chance that plays some part in what happens, though I sincerely hope they don't make draft choices simply to appease a player.

I think the overall feeling though is that it's probably time to move on from Bledsoe when he likely has the highest value and is basically ruining his peak playing on a terrible team. We could likely get a decent return and also draft a PG.

Again, though, there are no indications at all from the FO or coaching staff that this is anything but Bledsoe's team.

In any case, I'd probably rather keep Warren even if we do draft Jackson. First of all, no draft pick is a sure thing, and secondly, Warren could at worst likely be a very effective scorer off the bench.

Bledsoe is thought of as a good defender, but he does have a negative DRPM this year. He CAN be good but he gambles for steals a lot. He is likely one of the best shot-blocking point guards for his size though.

That said, if we did trade Bledsoe to you I don't think we'd want someone like Payton for Vucevic back, so I'm not sure how it would work. Wouldn't mind a pick and a prospect or something.

That's fair. You guys have enough bigs and don't need Vuc. Payton has been much better but obviously, you need more for Bledsoe. I see us including Mario Hezonja, the 17 pick(gulp) and even the Lakers 19 if Fo is desperate enough. It could potentially be a 3-team trade too. next couple of months gonna be interesting.

[Bulls03]

What would you guys want from the Bulls for Knight. Apparently we're rumored to be in talks with you all.

[bwgood77]

That's fair. You guys have enough bigs and don't need Vuc. Payton has been much better but obviously, you need more for Bledsoe. I see us including Mario Hezonja, the 17 pick(gulp) and even the Lakers 19 if Fo is desperate enough. It could potentially be a 3-team trade too. next couple of months gonna be interesting.

I'd definitely do it with two picks and maybe with one depending on protection.

[bwgood77]

What would you guys want from the Bulls for Knight. Apparently we're rumored to be in talks with you all.

I'd be happy with Valentine or a first round pick. I have no idea if the FO would entertain a Rondo deal, but McD is the guy who urged Ainge to draft him. If so it would probably only happen if Bledsoe was also on the move like in the other deal here I just responded to. Then they could still draft PG this year for future and Rondo would be an expiring next year. Then they could just task him with getting our young guys the ball in the right spots so they could develop.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Quick question for PHX fans on what your future plans at the PG and lottery.

So we all know this draft is the strongest in decades and one with legit 3-5 all star PG. You guys are in a position to land a top 3 pick now and potentially win the lottery to draft a star player. So does the franchise go with;

A). Draft a generation talent like Ball or Fultz and have a young core centred around Ball/Fultz, Book, and TJ Warren and consider cashing in on Bledsoe?

B). Draft Josh Jackson who plays like a Wiggins/Tmac mix and have a core of Bledsoe, Booker, Jackson and consider moving Warren?

The reason I ask is bc the Magics biggest need and weak spot is at the PG. Elfrid Payton is great when he has a big game but he is just too inconsistent in his effort and I fear management is getting impatient and will make a move and pay for a consistent veteran PG like Bledsoe pending availability. With that said, during his time in PHX, how does Bledsoe fair as a defender vs opposing guards? Thanks

We've had our eye on you as a target in a Bledsoe deal. I think he makes sense for you, and I think we'd want Augustin in return. I think the LAL '19 is the centerpiece of any possible deal between us, and my guess is we'd want at least one other valuable asset. If you could move Hezonja in the deal and somehow add a second pick, we could take on Green and give you another valuable player - Tucker, or maybe even Dudley (who, IMO, would be perfect for you), depending on what we're talking about.

[Jarlaxle0204]

What would you guys want from the Bulls for Knight. Apparently we're rumored to be in talks with you all.

Knight and Jenkins for Gibson (expiring) and Valentine works in the trade machine.

[NavLDO]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hefubnp

Who says no

Sixers. They love Richaun Holmes, and want to trade Noel and Okafor if they trade any of their 'Bigs'.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

What would you guys want from the Bulls for Knight. Apparently we're rumored to be in talks with you all.

I'd be happy with Valentine or a first round pick. I have no idea if the FO would entertain a Rondo deal, but McD is the guy who urged Ainge to draft him. If so it would probably only happen if Bledsoe was also on the move like in the other deal here I just responded to. Then they could still draft PG this year for future and Rondo would be an expiring next year. Then they could just task him with getting our young guys the ball in the right spots so they could develop.

I think Valentine's value has tanked since draft day. Poor showing in SL, and so far a big nothing on the court. This from a guy who played 4 years in college. I thought by draft day that the concerns about his defense and athleticism were legit.

I could see us accepting McDermott and adding Tucker to the deal, but in any event, a first and a second would likely get this deal done.

[bwgood77]

What would you guys want from the Bulls for Knight. Apparently we're rumored to be in talks with you all.

I'd be happy with Valentine or a first round pick. I have no idea if the FO would entertain a Rondo deal, but McD is the guy who urged Ainge to draft him. If so it would probably only happen if Bledsoe was also on the move like in the other deal here I just responded to. Then they could still draft PG this year for future and Rondo would be an expiring next year. Then they could just task him with getting our young guys the ball in the right spots so they could develop.

I think Valentine's value has tanked since draft day. Poor showing in SL, and so far a big nothing on the court. This from a guy who played 4 years in college. I thought by draft day that the concerns about his defense and athleticism were legit.

I could see us accepting McDermott and adding Tucker to the deal, but in any event, a first and a second would likely get this deal done.

Yes, I thought about McDermott. Valentine hasn't had much time and usually shares court with high usage players. He likely needs the ball in his hands some to be effective. His athleticism is probably a factor, but McDermott isn't that great of an athlete either. I wouldn't expect Valentine to be more than and end rotation guy, and yes, his RPM is nearly as bad as Knight's, but at least he is younger and doesn't make as much. I imagine we'd have to take back salary filler as well.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'd be happy with Valentine or a first round pick. I have no idea if the FO would entertain a Rondo deal, but McD is the guy who urged Ainge to draft him. If so it would probably only happen if Bledsoe was also on the move like in the other deal here I just responded to. Then they could still draft PG this year for future and Rondo would be an expiring next year. Then they could just task him with getting our young guys the ball in the right spots so they could develop.

I think Valentine's value has tanked since draft day. Poor showing in SL, and so far a big nothing on the court. This from a guy who played 4 years in college. I thought by draft day that the concerns about his defense and athleticism were legit.

I could see us accepting McDermott and adding Tucker to the deal, but in any event, a first and a second would likely get this deal done.

Yes, I thought about McDermott. Valentine hasn't had much time and usually shares court with high usage players. He likely needs the ball in his hands some to be effective. His athleticism is probably a factor, but McDermott isn't that great of an athlete either. I wouldn't expect Valentine to be more than and end rotation guy, and yes, his RPM is nearly as bad as Knight's, but at least he is younger and doesn't make as much. I imagine we'd have to take back salary filler as well.

If we took back Rondo and included PJ, I wouldn't be shocked if we received one of McDermott and Valentine as well as a 1st. In fact, that sounds pretty fair from where I sit.

[bwgood77]

I think Valentine's value has tanked since draft day. Poor showing in SL, and so far a big nothing on the court. This from a guy who played 4 years in college. I thought by draft day that the concerns about his defense and athleticism were legit.

I could see us accepting McDermott and adding Tucker to the deal, but in any event, a first and a second would likely get this deal done.

Yes, I thought about McDermott. Valentine hasn't had much time and usually shares court with high usage players. He likely needs the ball in his hands some to be effective. His athleticism is probably a factor, but McDermott isn't that great of an athlete either. I wouldn't expect Valentine to be more than and end rotation guy, and yes, his RPM is nearly as bad as Knight's, but at least he is younger and doesn't make as much. I imagine we'd have to take back salary filler as well.

If we took back Rondo and included PJ, I wouldn't be shocked if we received one of McDermott and Valentine as well as a 1st. In fact, that sounds pretty fair from where I sit.

Apparently you think Knight is better than Rondo, which I guess is a fair assessment, but advanced #s don't seem to reflect that. But better enough to get a young player AND a first on top of it?

Rondo's contract is also shorter than Knight's. Rondo probably makes the rest of our players better unless he starts to have attitude issues. I don't think he leads to wins or is the type of PG you want in this day and age due to not being able to shoot.

Ideally we could trade him to another team at some point though if he was involved, or have a three way deal in place.

[LukasBMW]

What would you guys want from the Bulls for Knight. Apparently we're rumored to be in talks with you all.

Portis, filler (to make the trade work cap wise), and a pick.

Filler can be Rondo, but then we cut him. Don't want that cancer on our team.

[RaisingArizona]

Payton + picks for Bledsoe works for me.

[Saberestar]

What would you guys want from the Bulls for Knight. Apparently we're rumored to be in talks with you all.

I want McDermott. I know that he is not an starting player, but I think he is gonna have a long career in the NBA playing an important role coming from the bench. He is a good shooter and he has a good basketball IQ, so I think he can be similar to Jared Dudley or probably better in his prime.

Rondo (waived) and McDermott for Knight and Jenkins.

[OrlandoDream]

Quick question for PHX fans on what your future plans at the PG and lottery.

So we all know this draft is the strongest in decades and one with legit 3-5 all star PG. You guys are in a position to land a top 3 pick now and potentially win the lottery to draft a star player. So does the franchise go with;

A). Draft a generation talent like Ball or Fultz and have a young core centred around Ball/Fultz, Book, and TJ Warren and consider cashing in on Bledsoe?

B). Draft Josh Jackson who plays like a Wiggins/Tmac mix and have a core of Bledsoe, Booker, Jackson and consider moving Warren?

The reason I ask is bc the Magics biggest need and weak spot is at the PG. Elfrid Payton is great when he has a big game but he is just too inconsistent in his effort and I fear management is getting impatient and will make a move and pay for a consistent veteran PG like Bledsoe pending availability. With that said, during his time in PHX, how does Bledsoe fair as a defender vs opposing guards? Thanks

We've had our eye on you as a target in a Bledsoe deal. I think he makes sense for you, and I think we'd want Augustin in return. I think the LAL '19 is the centerpiece of any possible deal between us, and my guess is we'd want at least one other valuable asset. If you could move Hezonja in the deal and somehow add a second pick, we could take on Green and give you another valuable player - Tucker, or maybe even Dudley (who, IMO, would be perfect for you), depending on what we're talking about.

This is interesting. The Lakers pick is the wild card here. It could potentially end up being a 15-20 or even a top 10 to top5. Its difficult to project where they will be in two seasons. For the right deal, Im sure the FO would not mind moving the pick. The 17 pick is the hard one to let go of. This is such a deep draft and even in the 15-20 range there are gems to be had.

Mario is a tricky situation. Vogel/Forcier are slowly developing him the right way and although we are not shopping him, if thats what it takes to acquire Bledsoe, he will be moved. Its tough to let go of Payton despite his weaknesses. Oh and taking Jeff Green would be a godsend! I easily take back Dudley. He seems like a good vet, can shoot and still has a couple of years left.

We may have something to work with here. The magic have a 7 game west coast trip coming up later this month. The outcome of that trip will IMO decide the future of a couple of young players here. By the end of the month, this rumor could heat up or die off.