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Re: Playoffs Discussion 

Post#441 » by bwgood77 » Sun May 6, 2018 9:52 pm

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i Just deleted a major Lack of respect for Booker rant about this board and Realgm, but deleted it....

Not goIng there.


A lot of people give Booker respect on the GB. Many have called him a stud and future star. I'm not sure why some make it some sort of competition.

I don't understand why some are knocking Mitchell either. The guy is a rookie and he struggled at first and shot poorly in his first month...33% overall and 28.6% from 3. People like to give Jackson excuses for started poorly and ignore that but not remove stuff in a similar way for Mitchell. Every rookie has to adjust to the speed, pace and experience they face coming into the NBA. Yes, he's a little older, but they are both 21.

Mitchell in each month of the season went from a net rtg of -24, -6, -3, -5, -1, 1, 8. Booker was -6,-7,-2, -9, -13, -22

Jackson monthly range of net rtg was -30 to -14.



I am going to hold Mitchell to the same standard Jazz writers hold Booker for the rest of his career. If Booker was considered a "poor man's Anthony Morrow" even this year, which many Jazz writers claimed, or a worse version of JR Smith, then I will sit here andlook at how Book's numbers are better than Mitchell's and proclaim that he is a glorified Flip Murray.


Fair enough. I don't spend any time reading what Jazz writers think of Booker, so I wouldn't know.
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Re: Playoffs Discussion 

Post#442 » by saintEscaton » Sun May 6, 2018 9:54 pm

Both will be Top 6 SGs in a year or two after Harden, Dipo, Butler ,Beal
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Re: Playoffs Discussion 

Post#443 » by saintEscaton » Mon May 7, 2018 1:04 am

Mitchell is on another level
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Re: Playoffs Discussion 

Post#444 » by AtheJ415 » Mon May 7, 2018 1:16 am

saintEscaton wrote:Mitchell is on another level


Agreed. He might be shooting 35% for the series now with this performance.
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Re: Playoffs Discussion 

Post#445 » by saintEscaton » Mon May 7, 2018 1:17 am

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saintEscaton wrote:Mitchell is on another level


Agreed. He might be shooting 35% for the series now with this performance.


He should shoot less for sure
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Re: Playoffs Discussion 

Post#446 » by lilfishi22 » Mon May 7, 2018 1:29 am

Looking at their roster and given their performance, the Jazz hasn't gotten more than 14 points from any other players outside of Mitchell (24.3), Rubio (14ppg and injured) and Jingles (14.8), if Mitchell isn't shooting, they are relying on unproven and untested players to score. It's been like this all season long. Maybe Mitchell could spread the wealth a bit more like in game 2 but I think they should continue doing what got them to the dance.
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Re: Playoffs Discussion 

Post#447 » by thamadkant » Mon May 7, 2018 9:07 am

Mitchell has potential to be the next Wade or a longer Lillard...
A true top 2 player in his position.


Booker is a beast offensively... And have the same alpha mind as Mitchell. But he is not as gifted athletically... But he is bigger...


What makes Mitchell more enticing is his 2 way impact... Yes. I agree Gobert helps a lot and the system... But just looking at their one on one defense... Mirchell is smothering... Similar to Josh Jackson.
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Post#448 » by bwgood77 » Mon May 7, 2018 3:23 pm

Yeah, Mitchell has the bigger positive impact due to the defense. Booker is such a negative on that end it almost wipes out the offense (actually they were slighly worse with him on the court this year per b-ref's on/off). Mitchell isn't as good offensively, not as good from 3 but better inside the arc.
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Re: Playoffs Discussion 

Post#449 » by darealjuice » Mon May 7, 2018 3:50 pm

Kinda hoping we get a win out of Philly or Toronto today. It’ll be a rough week waiting for the draft lottery if every playoff series is closed out by tomorrow lol.
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Re: Playoffs Discussion 

Post#450 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon May 7, 2018 3:55 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Yeah, Mitchell has the bigger positive impact due to the defense. Booker is such a negative on that end it almost wipes out the offense (actually they were slighly worse with him on the court this year per b-ref's on/off). Mitchell isn't as good offensively, not as good from 3 but better inside the arc.


Yeah. I said after SL before the year started that I would - on a merely technical basis, set apart from realities - trade Booker for Mitchell.

Doesn't matter. Book's a Phoenix Sun and a special player. You can a win a championship with Book as your leading scorer. And he's ready to start getting opportunities to prove it.

But Mitchell's success this year also had a lot to do with Gobert, Joe Ingles and Ricky Rubio. Burke and Favors, too. All those guys (with the exception of Gobert) were underestimated by the L - and with good reason, it seemed. That's why I'm hesitant to trade Knight, Warren, Chriss and Dragan - each of these guys could be significantly better next season, or the year after.

I'm more inclined to look into combining that #16 with one of Chandler or Dudley and seeing if we can't get a decent player in return - a la Ricky Rubio, last year. I wouldn't be opposed to attaching our own protected first and attaching that to the other of Chandler and Dudley in order to get another quality player, either.

THEN adding a high $$$ RFA/UFA with the cash you've retained. Gordon? Randle? Smart? VanVleet? We could offer it to Capela, but the Rockets would match.

The hard part is finding contracts that you could fairly easily extend or that are of any decent length as to be useful. But I'd call up basically all the EC playoff teams and CHA to see what their price is for their rotation PGs and make the best deal there. Maybe ORL would send us Augustin for cheap; same for IND/Joseph or TOR/Wright?

Overall, there seem to be more PG options than good C options...

[This probably belongs in the draft thread:]

That's the ultimate appeal of Jaren Jackson - Horford's versatility has made him the second most valuable player in the EC playoff race. Jaren Jackson could very well be able to replicate what Al brings. Similarly, Bamba's appealing because of the success of Gobert. If Embiid got 1.0 PPP on his post-ups in this PO series with Boston, would he be having a positive impact overall? I ask because gambling on Ayton's learning curve on defense gives me the willies.

I worry about Young in part because defensively, Booker's actually shown more success guarding 1's than 2's, because of his quick feet and short wingspan. He just needs good help defense because his wide body gets caught on screens. He needs to learn when and when not be physical on defense - he struggles with that. But if the best solution for us defensively is to rotate Jackson and Booker on 1's, Young cripples you there - Doncic would not.

1. Doncic
2. Jackson Jr.

I suppose in either case, I would try to add a quality veteran C, like Favors, Valanciunas, Dedmon, B Lopez or Adams. Not a long list of true possibilities.

....... That TOR roster is a buffet of appealing trade candidates.
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Re: Playoffs Discussion 

Post#451 » by bwgood77 » Mon May 7, 2018 4:17 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Yeah, Mitchell has the bigger positive impact due to the defense. Booker is such a negative on that end it almost wipes out the offense (actually they were slighly worse with him on the court this year per b-ref's on/off). Mitchell isn't as good offensively, not as good from 3 but better inside the arc.


Yeah. I said after SL before the year started that I would - on a merely technical basis, set apart from realities - trade Booker for Mitchell.


Wow, that's surprising. Before Mitchell's season you would have (even just on a technical basis)? And despite my posts, I've never suggested I'd trade Booker for Mitchell. Obviously it would never happen. I just really hope Booker improves defensively.

I've always loved having as many shooters as possible though....as well as willing passers, but we can't ignore defense either.
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Re: Playoffs Discussion 

Post#452 » by Frank Lee » Mon May 7, 2018 5:57 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Yeah, Mitchell has the bigger positive impact due to the defense. Booker is such a negative on that end it almost wipes out the offense (actually they were slighly worse with him on the court this year per b-ref's on/off). Mitchell isn't as good offensively, not as good from 3 but better inside the arc.


Yeah. I said after SL before the year started that I would - on a merely technical basis, set apart from realities - trade Booker for Mitchell.


Wow, that's surprising. Before Mitchell's season you would have (even just on a technical basis)? And despite my posts, I've never suggested I'd trade Booker for Mitchell. Obviously it would never happen. I just really hope Booker improves defensively.

I've always loved having as many shooters as possible though....as well as willing passers, but we can't ignore defense either.


Yet somehow we have managed to ignore all three
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Post#453 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon May 7, 2018 6:25 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Yeah, Mitchell has the bigger positive impact due to the defense. Booker is such a negative on that end it almost wipes out the offense (actually they were slighly worse with him on the court this year per b-ref's on/off). Mitchell isn't as good offensively, not as good from 3 but better inside the arc.


Yeah. I said after SL before the year started that I would - on a merely technical basis, set apart from realities - trade Booker for Mitchell.


Wow, that's surprising. Before Mitchell's season you would have (even just on a technical basis)? And despite my posts, I've never suggested I'd trade Booker for Mitchell. Obviously it would never happen. I just really hope Booker improves defensively.

I've always loved having as many shooters as possible though....as well as willing passers, but we can't ignore defense either.


I guess it was a misdescription to say "on a... technical basis." Obviously, a summer league is not sample size enough to say something like that. But Mitchell's potential was on full display in SL - the scoring, the shooting percentages, the toughness going to the basket. Plus solid assist numbers. And then he had 10 steals in a game. Say what you want about SL, but that's not the kind of thing you see very often - certainly not something I imagined Booker could do in any professional setting.
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Post#454 » by Kerrsed » Mon May 7, 2018 7:20 pm

So weird to be watching a playoff game at 3PM on a weekday...


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Post#455 » by lilfishi22 » Tue May 8, 2018 2:47 am

Oh man, I'm scared to venture over to the Raptors board

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Post#456 » by TheLogician » Tue May 8, 2018 2:52 am

With the first pick of the 2019 NBA draft, the Toronto Raptors select RJ Barrett, Forward, Duke.
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Post#457 » by bigfoot » Tue May 8, 2018 6:30 pm

Always liked TJ McConnell and then he goes and puts up a career game in the playoffs for the Sixers. Too bad he is under contract for one more year at a cheap price. Wonder if we can get him by helping facilitate big free agent signings/trades this summer.
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Post#458 » by Revived » Tue May 8, 2018 8:09 pm

So are we all rooting for Houston to win tonight so that Igor can have his intro presser by sometime Friday at least and start hiring his assistant coaches as well so we have something to talk about?
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Post#459 » by Revived » Wed May 9, 2018 2:31 am

bigfoot wrote:Always liked TJ McConnell and then he goes and puts up a career game in the playoffs for the Sixers. Too bad he is under contract for one more year at a cheap price. Wonder if we can get him by helping facilitate big free agent signings/trades this summer.

Shouldn’t be that hard to get him imo considering he’s like their 3rd string PG once Fultz is up to speed.
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Post#460 » by Revived » Wed May 9, 2018 2:32 am

Utah out, Igor in.

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