alamin330 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:DowJones wrote:Cavs fan here—would you trade a 3rd or 4th pick in the draft for Collin Sexton if Cleveland takes Morant #2 or 3?
I think that at that point, If Barrett is there, We take him, Then trade back with a team like New Orleans, Or whatever team is in range for us to get Brandon Clarke.
Personally, I'd push hard for a trade with the Hawks, Something like Barrett/ Jackson/ And the Milwaukee pick for Both of their picks.
Then take Brandon Clarke and Coby White. Or Brandon Clarke and Nickeal Alexander Walker. Then pick up Beverly, Joseph, Or Collison in free agency. And roll out into next season.

You must be a hawks fan. Let me get this right you want to trade RJ Barrett who could end up being the best player in this draft but you’re not done. You want to throw in josh Jackson who was voted to become the best player of his draft. But you didn’t stop there. You want to also throw in an extra first round pick. And In return all you want are two rookies who will probably be rotation players at best? Sounds like a great trade for the hawks
Jackson alone could get you either one of those guys. Coby White is a bust waiting to happen
LOL.....Hawks fan, Not at all. IF we should find ourselves missing out on either Zion Williamson or Ja morant, Then still being able to walk away with two lottery picks that address our two greatest areas of positional need, Would be a win in my book.
Now, Where to begin, First, While I do actually like RJ Barrett, And while I will agree that he MIGHT become the best player in this draft( just as any player has the potential to become) We currently have a congested glut at the wing position, And as talented as he is, he's a bit high usage, especially with Booker.
And even though I myself in past posts, have even proposed trying to play him next to Booker, to exploit his size, athleticism, and playmaking ability, I just see the suns front office going with Oubre and Bridges, given their impact to our team and production given their skillsets. And IF trading back using Barrett could get us a nice piece, along with two high potential players to further address our positional holes in our roster, common sense says you do it!
Now, to address the trade details, I actually like Jackson, And think that he may develop into a premiere defensive utility player along the lines of Gerald Wallace. However, currently his value isn't very good around the league, due to his struggles on the court. Next the Milwaukee Pick, is most likely going to project around the mid to late 20s' at best given that the Bucks are the best team in the east currently too. So, If you can move it now in a package for two lottery caliber players in Clarke and Coby White, You definitely do it!!!
Next, To address the perceived value of Both Brandon Clarke and Coby White:
Brandon Clarke:
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/01/18/draft-notes-easy-case-brandon-clarke/.
https://www.slipperstillfits.com/2019/1/29/18201461/brandon-clarke-national-player-of-the-year.
I’m going to just put up some numbers for poops and chuckles, using per 40 minute averages to help offset minute differentials (from Sports-Reference.com).
Player A: 30.9 points, 13 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 2.8 steals, 2.6 blocks, 3.4 turnovers
Player B: 24.3 points, 11.5 rebounds, 2.6 assists 2.1 steals, 4.5 blocks, 2.3 turnovers.
Player A: 69.5 eFG%, 134.3 ORtg, 82.4 DRtg, .365 Win Shares per 40 minutes
Player B: 69.5 eFG%, 137 ORtg, 84.5 DRtg, .331 Win Shares per 40 minutes
I will cut the intrigue: Zion Williamson is Player A and Brandon Clarke is Player B. Clearly, the gulf between the two players is as large as the Pacific Ocean. Sarcasm aside, this is not the Williamson is not a great player post, because he is. Zion Williamson is absolutely electric to watch and is a complete game changer. But guess what, in many of the same ways that people ring the Zion Williamson for World Leader bell, Clarke excels in the same fashion.
In many of the same ways that people ring the Zion Williamson for World Leader bell, Clarke excels in the same fashion.
Williamson’s PER is through the roof. There is no denying he is a special talent. But Clarke is third in PER at 36.3, which is higher than any player in the previous two seasons.
Coby White:
A 6'5 scoring guard with a really smooth allaround game. A really good passer and Lethal shooter from almost anywhere on the court. He's also really crafty scoring at the rim in traffic, similiar to how Nash was for us.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/coby-white-1.html.
His per .40 percentages are: 24.2 points/ 5.6 assists/ 4.9 rebounds/53%fg percentage/38% 3 point percentage/and 81% free throw percentage.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/freshman-rankings-uncs-coby-white-is-freshman-of-the-week-zions-lead-on-rj-barrett-narrowing-in-frosh-watch/.
The scoring blur from Goldsboro, North Carolina, averaged 31.0 points, 5.0 rebounds, 4.0 assists and 2.0 steals in the Heels' wins over Syracuse and Clemson in the previous seven days. UNC is now 24-5 with a 14-2 mark in the ACC. White was effective and efficient, shooting 60 percent from the field and making 12 of his 22 3-pointers in those games (54.5 percent). He also made 14 of his 16 attempts from the free throw line.
White is setting UNC records almost by the week, which is amazing in and of itself, but has been overshadowed by the other two notable frosh in the ACC this season. White's back-to-back games with at least six made threes is a school record. He's the only Carolina player to put up three 30-point games in his first season. Per UNC, "White now owns the third-, fourth- and fifth-highest scoring games ever by a Tar Heel freshman."
Now just watch his videos, And tell me that you don't honestly like his clean, near perfect shooting. And his passing too!
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Last but not least, Nickeil Alexander Walker:
A 6'5 combo guard with a smooth game can pass and score with either hand, And is great defensively, and has been putting up big numbers too. ( Is the cousin of Shai Gilgeous Alexander).
https://basketballsocietyonline.com/nickeil-alexander-walker-scouting-report .
Nickeil Alexander-Walker is one of the best pure scorers in the 2019 draft. The Toronto, Ontario native leads the Virginia Tech Hokies in scoring at around 18 points per game, and can fill it up in a variety of ways. Alexander-Walker is a sniper from long range, possessing excellent form and a quick release. He works extremely hard moving off the ball to get open, and it pays off, as he should be hitting his threes at greater than a 40% clip by the end of the season.
One of Alexander-Walker’s biggest strengths is his high basketball IQ and great awareness on both ends of the floor. On offense, he’s one of the best players in the country at getting open off a screen, and he does so by being able to read how his defender fights through the screen, and then countering by going the opposite way from where the defender anticipates him to go. His IQ is also displayed on offense through his decision making and distributing abilities. Alexander-Walker averages a solid amount of assists per game which is especially impressive being the second ball-handling option behind Justin Robinson, a very ball-dominant point guard.
On defense, Alexander-Walker always has his head on a swivel, and has a knack for anticipating passes and gets into passing lanes often, evidenced by the greater than two steals per game he grabs.
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/01/06/draft-notes-attempting-understand-nickeil-alexander-walker/.
The most important offensive numbers to keep in mind for NAW, given his volume, are his shooting percentages. The 60 percent from 2-point range, 45 percent from 3-point range with 50 makes, and 77.5 percent from free throw line club is very sparse. Even if we go down to 55 percent from 2 and 43 percent from 3, we end up with a select group of NBA guys: Doug McDermott, Ian Clark, Kirk Hinrich, Ty Lawson, Fred Hoiberg, Buddy Hield, Robert Covington, Kyle Korver, Landry Shamet, Mikal Bridges, and Rex Walters.
So overall, I definitely think the star potential and premiere value is there, If the research on these players is there. I know it's fun to think about the exciting highly touted top prospects. But I also think that it's important to not undervalue other potential star players, that can be hidden througghout the draft too.
