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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#441 » by Saberestar » Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:58 pm

alamin330 wrote:James Jones is an excellent team chemistry builder but a terrible talent evaluator. Cam Johnson is good but wasn’t 11th pick good.
There were plenty of better options than mr tortoise no handle pg ty Jerome.

There is only one player drafted after Cam Johnson that looks better than him so far, Tyler Herro.

And look who were drafted before him...Culver, Coby White, Jaxon Hayes, Hachimura, Reddish...I prefer Cam over all of them.

James Jones nailed it trading #6 for #11 and Saric. That was a heck of a trade.
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#442 » by King4Day » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:07 pm

alamin330 wrote:Why should I knock the Grizzlies or any other team. They have so much young talent they don’t need him. They also got Melton in the deal have you forgotten? And we got little old Jevon carter who won’t amount to much more than what he is now.
He sold Josh jackson low and you never sell low. Everyone knows that. Except james Jones.


There are plenty of bad teams that could take a flier on Jackson. The fact he didn't get a guaranteed contract shows you what the league thinks of him and his potential.
As for Melton, yes it was a mistake, but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable paying him almost 9mil per year for the next 4 years. Carter is being paid for what Melton would be getting paid for. 3 years, under 4mil per, to be a backup pest to other guards.
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#443 » by alamin330 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:10 pm

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alamin330 wrote:Why should I knock the Grizzlies or any other team. They have so much young talent they don’t need him. They also got Melton in the deal have you forgotten? And we got little old Jevon carter who won’t amount to much more than what he is now.
He sold Josh jackson low and you never sell low. Everyone knows that. Except james Jones.


There are plenty of bad teams that could take a flier on Jackson. The fact he didn't get a guaranteed contract shows you what the league thinks of him and his potential.
As for Melton, yes it was a mistake, but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable paying him almost 9mil per year for the next 4 years. Carter is being paid for what Melton would be getting paid for. 3 years, under 4mil per, to be a backup pest to other guards.

I have no loyalty to james Jones. I’m gonna call a bad trade if I see one. Rui will be better than cam, he already is. Coby will be better than cam, he already is. Saric was looking mad suspect at the beginning of the year and even towards the end. He only really played well in the bubble. So I wouldn’t call that a heck of a trade. I expect Coby white and Rui to be all stars. I wouldn’t say I expect Cam to ever become an all star.
How do you know Josh Jackson didn’t get other offers but chose to play at home on Detroit?
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#444 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:32 pm

I'm taken aback that there are people who think Josh Jackson should be on this team.

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Post#445 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:37 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm taken aback that there are people who think Josh Jackson should be on this team.

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Have we learned nothing?

Jackson goes through stretches of good play, but he can't maintain it. He's an exceptionally talented a$$hole, not a professional basketball player. He should go trot the globe.

If you wanna talk impressive wings, take a look at Lu Dort. Thunder almost pulled off a W over the Jazz, and that kid is a huge reason why. Love his size and tenacity. I wish we'd drafted him.
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#446 » by alamin330 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:39 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm taken aback that there are people who think Josh Jackson should be on this team.

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Have we learned nothing?

Jackson goes through stretches of good play, but he can't maintain it. He's an exceptionally talented a$$hole, not a professional basketball player. He should go trot the globe.

If you wanna talk impressive wings, take a look at Lu Dort. Thunder almost pulled off a W over the Jazz, and that kid is a huge reason why. Love his size and tenacity. I wish we'd drafted him.

James Jones would never draft a guy like Dort because he’s a terrible talent evaluator. You’re proving my point
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Post#447 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:49 pm

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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm taken aback that there are people who think Josh Jackson should be on this team.

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Have we learned nothing?

Jackson goes through stretches of good play, but he can't maintain it. He's an exceptionally talented a$$hole, not a professional basketball player. He should go trot the globe.

If you wanna talk impressive wings, take a look at Lu Dort. Thunder almost pulled off a W over the Jazz, and that kid is a huge reason why. Love his size and tenacity. I wish we'd drafted him.

James Jones would never draft a guy like Dort because he’s a terrible talent evaluator. You’re proving my point
Well Dort went undrafted, I guess every team in the league is bad at talent evaluation. :)

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Post#448 » by Saberestar » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:55 pm

I will watch tonight GSW @ Pistons, I am interested to see a full game from Oubre and Jackson.

Hopefully the Pistons get their first win.
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Post#449 » by alamin330 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:58 pm

Bingo. But James Jones hasn’t gotten one yet. He couldn’t wait to get his hands on Jalen Lecque though. Signed him to a
4 year deal like he found some kind of young superstar. Lmao. Dont get me wrong suns have a good team and appreciate him making the suns relevant again but he’s still not a good talent evaluator. Multiple things can be true at the same time
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#450 » by GoodBehavior » Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:03 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm taken aback that there are people who think Josh Jackson should be on this team.

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Have we learned nothing?

Jackson goes through stretches of good play, but he can't maintain it. He's an exceptionally talented a$$hole, not a professional basketball player. He should go trot the globe.

If you wanna talk impressive wings, take a look at Lu Dort. Thunder almost pulled off a W over the Jazz, and that kid is a huge reason why. Love his size and tenacity. I wish we'd drafted him.


Atlanta Hawks are not exactly known for their defense. So I would be careful extrapolating beyond that. There was a couple of times he was matched up against Trae Young, for example.

Having said that, Josh could be a great player if his 3 pt shot start falling. His jump shot looks much better than when he was here. It's cleaner and faster. The Hawks were closing out on him, which rarely happens when he was a Suns. If teams close out on him, he has the handle to get around defender. Impressively, he was weaving in and out of traffic.

He's stringly strong and could legitimately play the 4, so his future could be very bright ... this of course assumes he's a legit shooter. In two games where he shot well, he played well. In the one game where he couldn't shoot (0-3), he was terrible. I think we might have been rash to let him go.
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Post#451 » by sasquatchBob » Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:07 pm

I don't know man... With every passing day Cam Johnson pick looks better and better. And as for selling low, I believe it had to be done to get us out of the mess that McD created as soon as possible so we can start contending.
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#452 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:11 pm

alamin330 wrote:Bingo. But James Jones hasn’t gotten one yet. He couldn’t wait to get his hands on Jalen Lecque though. Signed him to a
4 year deal like he found some kind of young superstar. Lmao. Dont get me wrong suns have a good team and appreciate him making the suns relevant again but he’s still not a good talent evaluator. Multiple things can be true at the same time
Like most of your takes your opinion of the Lecque signing is weird. The 4 year deal with team options is absolutely the correct process with 2nd rounders and undrafted guys if you have cap space to use on those deals. It prevents the Melton situation where you have to pay them as a RFA in two years if they are good and still let's you move on with little to no downside if they don't pan out.

I'm not here saying Jones has done some perfect job but the specific points you bring up are odd ones.

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Post#453 » by alamin330 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:27 pm

Weakp to simplify it for you. James Jones could’ve given the same 4 year deal to a guy like lu Dort who also went undrafted. But because james Jones is not a great talent evaluator he overlooked Dort or probably didn’t even know he existed and went out and signed Lecque.
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Post#454 » by alamin330 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:30 pm

How about Terence Davis? Lecque is better right?
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Post#455 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:39 pm

alamin330 wrote:How about Terence Davis? Lecque is better right?
Well Lecque didn't get arrested in November for punching his girlfriend so he's got that on Davis.

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Post#456 » by nevetsov » Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:51 pm

Wasn't Alamin the name of that sour intern that got booted by the Suns FO? And he went on to get an analyst job and just continually rip on PHX?
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Post#457 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:56 pm

James Jones has far exceeded my expectations so far.

His strength is knowing what a championship team looks like and reverse engineering it to find the appropriate players.

Cam Johnson is looking like an inspired pick too given the draft is not Jones strength.
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Post#458 » by alamin330 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:01 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:James Jones has far exceeded my expectations so far.

His strength is knowing what a championship team looks like and reverse engineering to find the appropriate players.

Cam Johnson is looking like an inspired pick too given the draft is not Jones strength.

That’s reasonable. Again like I said for everyone who only likes to nitpick. I appreciate what Jones has done and I think he is an excellent team builder. At the same time however which is fair and which is my opinion is that James Jones is not an excellent talent evaluator. I don’t think Cam Johnson was a steal. A steal is when you get something cheaper than it’s current value. Cam Johnson was a reach and we are lucky he’s looking good so far. Jalen smith can’t even get minutes and he was the 10th pick. Bol Bol could’ve done a better job this year than Damian Jones. How many guys did Jones pass on and all we have to brag about is Cam Johnson.

Was is Jones or ryan who picked Ayton over Doncic?
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#459 » by Desertfox » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:55 pm

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alamin330 wrote:James Jones is an excellent team chemistry builder but a terrible talent evaluator. Cam Johnson is good but wasn’t 11th pick good.
There were plenty of better options than mr tortoise no handle pg ty Jerome.

There is only one player drafted after Cam Johnson that looks better than him so far, Tyler Herro.

And look who were drafted before him...Culver, Coby White, Jaxon Hayes, Hachimura, Reddish...I prefer Cam over all of them.

James Jones nailed it trading #6 for #11 and Saric. That was a heck of a trade.

You are forgetting Brandon Clarke... and Halliburton and Vassell this year.
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Post#460 » by Saberestar » Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:01 pm

Desertfox wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
alamin330 wrote:James Jones is an excellent team chemistry builder but a terrible talent evaluator. Cam Johnson is good but wasn’t 11th pick good.
There were plenty of better options than mr tortoise no handle pg ty Jerome.

There is only one player drafted after Cam Johnson that looks better than him so far, Tyler Herro.

And look who were drafted before him...Culver, Coby White, Jaxon Hayes, Hachimura, Reddish...I prefer Cam over all of them.

James Jones nailed it trading #6 for #11 and Saric. That was a heck of a trade.

You are forgetting Brandon Clarke... and Halliburton and Vassell this year.

I prefer Cam Johnson over Clarke, no doubt about it.

Too early to say that Vassell and Haliburton are better than Jalen Smith. He played well in the first game but injured his ankle in the second. We will see, I think he is gonna be a good pick for what I have seen so far.

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