The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Sunsdeuce]

We just running back the same team from last year with two rookies who have no offensive skillset.

I’m sorry, this roster is scaring no one in the league. Team is cap strapped so a major addition is off the table.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

Ishbia was so quick to spend, he has become an agent of his own demise.

[BobbieL]

We just running back the same team from last year with two rookies who have no offensive skillset.

I’m sorry, this roster is scaring no one in the league. Team is cap strapped so a major addition is off the table.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

Ishbia was so quick to spend, he has become an agent of his own demise.

Exactly right. Under the old CBA - one thing
New CBA - new rules.

To me, this team is 7-10. Memphis will be better. Lakers might be. Pelicans I think as well

[SkyBill40]

Just read that Bol is coming back on a one year deal. Nice.

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[BobbieL]

We just running back the same team from last year with two rookies who have no offensive skillset.

I’m sorry, this roster is scaring no one in the league. Team is cap strapped so a major addition is off the table.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

Ishbia was so quick to spend, he has become an agent of his own demise.

Exactly right. Under the old CBA - one thing
New CBA - new rules.

To me, this team is 7-10. Memphis will be better. Lakers might be. Pelicans I think as well

[Mulhollanddrive]

7 are the same.

Then we leaked to Gambo - PG, Wing, C

We'll see if Vogel was as bad as I thought I hope so, raw talent isn't the issue.

Who are the options at each position?

My preferences - Delon Wright, Robert Covington, Mo Bamba

[mkot]

Just a reminder how hard it is for us to improve

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[Ghost of Kleine]

So basically a lot of our competitive improvement is going to be predicated upon continuity and a hopefully more beneficial system implemented by Budenholzer. And any additional depth additions will be utility and supplemental connective archetypes that'll support our "big three."

So IF Okogie and Lee do come back, how many slots do we have left to add free agents? Maybe two tops? And IF so, I think we should really prioritize a more legitimate rim-running athletic shot-blocking center with Ighodaro playing as our 3rd rotation 4/5 alongside a floor spacing 5 with a vet 5 option as our backup. Really any of:

1- Goga Bidatze.
2- Damian Jones.
3- James Wiseman ( I know..... I know!!!) but he's an intriguing option to me IF on a vet min for his athleticism, 7'6 wingspan, mobility, shot-blocking, and faceup game there point shooting potential as a developmental asset that we could maybe buy cheap and sell high??

And for a point guard, for me personally, any of: (IF Lowry and Paul and Dunn are all off the table for us)

1- Russell Westbrook.
2- Dennis Smith Jr.
3- Delon Wright.
*** RJ Nembhard Jr.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Just a reminder how hard it is for us to improve

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What I keep wondering honestly is if there is some creative mechanism as a 2nd apron team for us to somehow send out BOTH of Littles' and Nurkics' salaries (equaling 25 million) to two different teams or even one team that is far enough under the apron in a three-team deal that'd allow us to take back the equivalent 25 million or less in salary such as Lopez and filler ( Andre Jackson)?
Or maybe Clint Capela ( 22 million) + filler (maybe Garrison Matthews)?

Or we could get really creative and do something like:
Utah/ Milwaukee/ Phoenix: (trade deadline deal)??
Milwaukee-

Milwaukee-
Nurkic/ 2 future 2nds (Phoenix)/ 29' 2nd (UTA).

Utah-
Brook Lopez/ Little/ PHX 2031 1st (top 4 protected)

Phoenix-
** IF Dunn/Kessler (Top 7 protected on 2031pick).
Or
** IF Sexton/ Kessler ( unprotected on 2031 pick).

[dremill24]

Sorry man, just not how it works

[Ghost of Kleine]

Sorry man, just not how it works

So then, Could there be any creative avenues beyond dumping significant salary in efforts to get below the 2nd apron far enough to actually be able to do one of these premises without actually blowing up the roster or moving off our big three? I mean I get that we can't aggregate outgoing salaries and we can't take back any salary above what we send out either. But we also can't split salaries between teams to reach a larger scale amount coming back either.

I guess then the answer is most likely no considering the added salaries of O'neale and Allen to the amount we're already over with Nurkic, etc....................
Right??

[Crives]

Sorry man, just not how it works

So then, Could there be any creative avenues beyond dumping significant salary in efforts to get below the 2nd apron far enough to actually be able to do one of these premises without actually blowing up the roster or moving off our big three? I mean I get that we can't aggregate outgoing salaries and we can't take back any salary above what we send out either. But we also can't split salaries between teams to reach a larger scale amount coming back either.

I guess then the answer is most likely no considering the added salaries of O'neale and Allen to the amount we're already over with Nurkic, etc....................
Right??

We can still send players in S&T that we have bird rights on.. for example we could have signed Royce to shorter deal for ~25 and sent him for a bigger salary.

If we keep Okogie or Lee another year we will have their full bird for a big S&T next summer

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[dremill24]

Sorry man, just not how it works

So then, Could there be any creative avenues beyond dumping significant salary in efforts to get below the 2nd apron far enough to actually be able to do one of these premises without actually blowing up the roster or moving off our big three? I mean I get that we can't aggregate outgoing salaries and we can't take back any salary above what we send out either. But we also can't split salaries between teams to reach a larger scale amount coming back either.

I guess then the answer is most likely no considering the added salaries of O'neale and Allen to the amount we're already over with Nurkic, etc....................
Right??

I mean you have to be below the apron after the transaction to be able to aggregate n such. Suns are quite a ways above it.

If you're not moving any of the big 3, the largest salary you can receive is Nurk's. So pining for $25mil salary players is fruitless. The aggregating restriction is rough lol.

[Iceman36]

7 are the same.

Then we leaked to Gambo - PG, Wing, C

We'll see if Vogel was as bad as I thought I hope so, raw talent isn't the issue.

Who are the options at each position?

My preferences - Delon Wright, Robert Covington, Mo Bamba

I think hat Vogel was the problem, too, and have high hopes in Bud.

[Mr Puddles]

Who are the options at each position?

My preferences - Delon Wright, Robert Covington, Mo Bamba

Add Wiseman as a possible center option. Might not be able to do better than him at the vet min.

[SkyBill40]

Can't do Westbrook as he's headed back to the Clippers.

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[Mr Puddles]

175 mil for 5 years of Quickley. Out Grayson Allen extention is looking REALLY good in comparison to some of the contracts being handed out so far this off-Season.

Depends if Quickly can continue his strong performance from last season then his contract will be well worth it.

A 25 year old PG that averages 18 ppg and 7 assists is a pretty valuable player, Grayson averaged like 13ppg and he isn't a PG while being 3 years older.

Patrick Williams will be making more than Grayson Allen now as well. I think Grayson has been a better player by far than him.

Overall, our free agents been extended on fair value contracts. Not bad.

[Saberestar]

I was thinking about our primary options for the minimum at PG I wanted to see their measurements because both are really small in my mind and that could be a problem for our defense's schemes.

Monte Morris is 6'1.25", 6'4 wingspan and has an 8'0.5 standing reach.

Aaron Holiday is 5.11'75" with a 6.7'5" wingspan and he has a 8'1" standing reach.

So yeah...both are SMALL and all in all about the same size.

Monte Morris is 29 years old and Aaron Holiday 28 before the start of the season. In their primes.

Monte Morris has played much more minutes than Holiday and he has had a bigger role in the league...other than last season.

I would say that Aaron Holiday is better on defense and Monte Morris is a better general floor.

Not sure who of them would be a better fit for us. Tied competition in my book.

[lilfishi22]

I was thinking about our primary options for the minimum at PG I wanted to see their measurements because both are really small in my mind and that could be a problem for our defense's schemes.

Monte Morris is 6'1.25", 6'4 wingspan and has an 8'0.5 standing reach.

Aaron Holiday is 5.11'75" with a 6.7'5" wingspan and he has a 8'1" standing reach.

Both are really small and all in all about the same size.

Monte Morris is 29 years old and Aaron Holiday 28 before the start of the season. In their primes.

Monte Morris has played much more minutes than Holiday and he has had a bigger role in the league...other than last season.

I would say that Aaron Holiday is better on defense and Monte Morris is a better general floor.

Not sure who of them would be a better fit for us. Tied competition in my book.

Honestly, I'd rather just bring back Cam Payne. He's fiesty defensively, good enough playmaker but better as a spot up shooter and release valve scorer which is more what he'll be expected to do in addition to just moving the ball around and attacking closeouts.

He's also close to the size of the two guy you suggested (same wingspan as Holiday, slightly shorter than Morris who has a shorter wingspan though) and around the same age. I felt like where Cam struggled was when he was the primary initiator on offense from a playmaking standpoint. He just struggled doing that floor general thing that CP3 was so good at the difference between them was stark. But he had his best games when he was playing alongside talent where he doesn't get a serious defensive attention and he's just allowed to be aggressive as a scorer. Not only did he find his way to the basket but he also found open guys off the back of his aggressiveness and he did well free roaming as a release valve shooter for Book/CP3.

[Saberestar]

I was thinking about our primary options for the minimum at PG I wanted to see their measurements because both are really small in my mind and that could be a problem for our defense's schemes.

Monte Morris is 6'1.25", 6'4 wingspan and has an 8'0.5 standing reach.

Aaron Holiday is 5.11'75" with a 6.7'5" wingspan and he has a 8'1" standing reach.

Both are really small and all in all about the same size.

Monte Morris is 29 years old and Aaron Holiday 28 before the start of the season. In their primes.

Monte Morris has played much more minutes than Holiday and he has had a bigger role in the league...other than last season.

I would say that Aaron Holiday is better on defense and Monte Morris is a better general floor.

Not sure who of them would be a better fit for us. Tied competition in my book.

Honestly, I'd rather just bring back Cam Payne. He's fiesty defensively, good enough playmaker but better as a spot up shooter and release valve scorer which is more what he'll be expected to do in addition to just moving the ball around and attacking closeouts.

He's also close to the size of the two guy you suggested (same wingspan as Holiday, slightly shorter than Morris who has a shorter wingspan though) and around the same age. I felt like where Cam struggled was when he was the primary initiator on offense from a playmaking standpoint. He just struggled doing that floor general thing that CP3 was so good at the difference between them was stark. But he had his best games when he was playing alongside talent where he doesn't get a serious defensive attention and he's just allowed to be aggressive as a scorer. Not only did he find his way to the basket but he also found open guys off the back of his aggressiveness and he did well free roaming as a release valve shooter for Book/CP3.

I would be OK with Payne too but my favorite option would be Aaron Holiday because of his pesky defense/very good 3p shooting.