2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????

[RunDogGun]

Either way, I think we clear a few roster spots for ring chasing vets, who will take a discount to try and win a chip. If one is a big, its easy to let Frank go. While I like Galloway, we didn't use him right, so he is easy to cut as well. As far as the draft, it would depend who is there. Our culture is finally a place to develop players, it would be a shame to waste it.

[BobbieL]

Let's imagine we win the ring. Wouid CP3 stay here?

I think he stays here regardless. He picks up his $45 million option or we give him a longer contract. We c ould hope he keeps his cap hold and give him a wink wink 2 year $55 million deal the following summer if we were thinking 3/$100.

Spoiler:

It could be declining like like 28.5 then 26.5 as Ayton and Bridges' contracts are going up.

This might help us stay under the cap or give us space for a MLE signing in the future. Otherwise if we did like 3/$100 this offseason it would be around $33.5 million a year...and the final year might be more like $31.5 million if it was decreasing with max raises/declines at 8%.

That would ideal if he took a wink wink deal as Bridges and Ayton will really kick in two years

[Slim Charless]

Let's imagine we win the ring. Wouid CP3 stay here?

Let's reverse that question.

We win a chip. Why and for what situation do you think is better for him than us? I'm truly curious as to why he would leave AFTER we win the title-in his first year no less.

Floor is yours.

The way I see it...

If we win the chip this season I hope that James Jones will bring back EXACTLY the same team for next season.

Not a tough thing to do because we have a lot of players under contract and we would just need to extend CP3 and sign Cam Payne to a long term contract.

Craig (BAE) and Moore, Galloway, Nader and Kaminsky ( all on minimum one year deals) are easy to bring back because they are not expensive players at all.

Then we can trade #29 for an early 2nd round pick (around #35) and a future 2n round pick.

With #35 we can sign on a two-way deal a rookie as a 17th player on our roster.

We have extend CP3 and Cam AND also sign Ayton to a max deal, I'd point out that Bridges is gonna likely want a max deal as well....

[bwgood77]

Let's imagine we win the ring. Wouid CP3 stay here?

Let's reverse that question.

We win a chip. Why and for what situation do you think is better for him than us? I'm truly curious as to why he would leave AFTER we win the title-in his first year no less.

Floor is yours.

The way I see it...

If we win the chip this season I hope that James Jones will bring back EXACTLY the same team for next season.

Not a tough thing to do because we have a lot of players under contract and we would just need to extend CP3 and sign Cam Payne to a long term contract.

Craig (BAE) and Moore, Galloway, Nader and Kaminsky ( all on minimum one year deals) are easy to bring back because they are not expensive players at all.

Then we can trade #29 for an early 2nd round pick (around #35) and a future 2n round pick.

With #35 we can sign on a two-way deal a rookie as a 17th player on our roster.

Someone will likely be gone. We have a lot of guys on the minimum who could probably make a little more somewhere else. When you are a low dollar player that extra $1 million is a lot more than if you make $10 million already and someone offers you $12. Making $3.5 instead of $2.5 or something is like a 40% increase, not a 20% like the other example.

I definitely keep 29 because it is very very cheap and you get two years or team options. Then use a 2 way on an undrafted or G league guy.

They also said they want to upgrade the team so I imagine they use the BAE if not the MLE and let someone go. I wouldn't be surprised if they traded the draft pick for a future one though...but Sarver already took flack in the old days when we were good by getting rid of draft picks.

I think we could lose 1 of Craig/Nader and one of Moore/Galloway. Kaminsky is tougher because Saric is so inconsistent. If he was consistent I wouldn't worry about Frank, though I think he's a good locker room guy too (though I think they all are). Also depends on where Jalen Smith is after the offseason. I think he will be ready for some minutes next year...maybe like Damian Jones was getting at the beginning.

[suns12345]

Let's reverse that question.

We win a chip. Why and for what situation do you think is better for him than us? I'm truly curious as to why he would leave AFTER we win the title-in his first year no less.

Floor is yours.

The way I see it...

If we win the chip this season I hope that James Jones will bring back EXACTLY the same team for next season.

Not a tough thing to do because we have a lot of players under contract and we would just need to extend CP3 and sign Cam Payne to a long term contract.

Craig (BAE) and Moore, Galloway, Nader and Kaminsky ( all on minimum one year deals) are easy to bring back because they are not expensive players at all.

Then we can trade #29 for an early 2nd round pick (around #35) and a future 2n round pick.

With #35 we can sign on a two-way deal a rookie as a 17th player on our roster.

Someone will likely be gone. We have a lot of guys on the minimum who could probably make a little more somewhere else. When you are a low dollar player that extra $1 million is a lot more than if you make $10 million already and someone offers you $12. Making $3.5 instead of $2.5 or something is like a 40% increase, not a 20% like the other example.

I definitely keep 29 because it is very very cheap and you get two years or team options. Then use a 2 way on an undrafted or G league guy.

They also said they want to upgrade the team so I imagine they use the BAE if not the MLE and let someone go. I wouldn't be surprised if they traded the draft pick for a future one though...but Sarver already took flack in the old days when we were good by getting rid of draft picks.

I think we could lose 1 of Craig/Nader and one of Moore/Galloway. Kaminsky is tougher because Saric is so inconsistent. If he was consistent I wouldn't worry about Frank, though I think he's a good locker room guy too (though I think they all are). Also depends on where Jalen Smith is after the offseason. I think he will be ready for some minutes next year...maybe like Damian Jones was getting at the beginning.

Frank was just about out of the league, so doubt anyone offers him much of anything. And in that case I think he's good for us to keep... good locker room, guy, has some useful skills, and shows he can be a good fill in when needed - even starting in 8 straight wins this season.

[bwgood77]

The way I see it...

If we win the chip this season I hope that James Jones will bring back EXACTLY the same team for next season.

Not a tough thing to do because we have a lot of players under contract and we would just need to extend CP3 and sign Cam Payne to a long term contract.

Craig (BAE) and Moore, Galloway, Nader and Kaminsky ( all on minimum one year deals) are easy to bring back because they are not expensive players at all.

Then we can trade #29 for an early 2nd round pick (around #35) and a future 2n round pick.

With #35 we can sign on a two-way deal a rookie as a 17th player on our roster.

Someone will likely be gone. We have a lot of guys on the minimum who could probably make a little more somewhere else. When you are a low dollar player that extra $1 million is a lot more than if you make $10 million already and someone offers you $12. Making $3.5 instead of $2.5 or something is like a 40% increase, not a 20% like the other example.

I definitely keep 29 because it is very very cheap and you get two years or team options. Then use a 2 way on an undrafted or G league guy.

They also said they want to upgrade the team so I imagine they use the BAE if not the MLE and let someone go. I wouldn't be surprised if they traded the draft pick for a future one though...but Sarver already took flack in the old days when we were good by getting rid of draft picks.

I think we could lose 1 of Craig/Nader and one of Moore/Galloway. Kaminsky is tougher because Saric is so inconsistent. If he was consistent I wouldn't worry about Frank, though I think he's a good locker room guy too (though I think they all are). Also depends on where Jalen Smith is after the offseason. I think he will be ready for some minutes next year...maybe like Damian Jones was getting at the beginning.

Frank was just about out of the league, so doubt anyone offers him much of anything. And in that case I think he's good for us to keep... good locker room, guy, has some useful skills, and shows he can be a good fill in when needed - even starting in 8 straight wins this season.

Yeah, he won't get more than the minimum. Craig has been a minimum player for years, Moore and Galloway probably are...Nader is an UFA...I don't know that he will get more than the minimum either.

I guess I wouldn't be surprised if they all stayed if we wanted them to. We didn't want Frank last year though...but maybe we learned that we do want him...of course easy to learn with the Jones signing.

I guess we could bring back everyone. I think everyone likes it in Phx. Unless someone like Nader wants a bigger role..

Galloway may be the main guy. He was making $7 million a year the 3 years before he signed with us and $5 million a year the two before that. He could potentially get like 3/$14 or something.

But being buried and unseen might work to our benefit if we want to keep him. He's still relatively young though at 29 so he may want a bigger role as maybe a 6th or 7th man type somewhere if there is an opportunity somewhere. I can't think of where but maybe a team like Dallas would want him since they miss Seth Curry.

[DRK]

I think we Re-sign Payne for 3/24, and resign CP for a frontloaded 3/90 contract.

As CP trends down he can time-share starters minutes with Payne, and the 3 year contract gives Payne 3 years of tutorage under CP3 and a chance for a big contract at 28 years old.

I think it'll be hard to keep Craig on the books. Alot fo teams need players like Craig that can defend multiple positions, hit the 3, and do the dirty work. Someone will offer him 3/21 and he will have to take it., and I dont think the Suns match.

[bwgood77]

I think we Re-sign Payne for 3/24, and resign CP for a frontloaded 3/90 contract.

As CP trends down he can time-share starters minutes with Payne, and the 3 year contract gives Payne 3 years of tutorage under CP3 and a chance for a big contract at 28 years old.

I think it'll be hard to keep Craig on the books. Alot fo teams need players like Craig that can defend multiple positions, hit the 3, and do the dirty work. Someone will offer him 3/21 and he will have to take it., and I dont think the Suns match.

You think Craig's worth almost as much as Payne? I wonder why no one offered Craig anything after he played in Denver and even started some, even in the playoffs? Seems like that is about as much exposure as you can get. Then the Bucks didn't even think he was worth keeping.

I don't think he will make that much. Not sure why he would if he could barely get the minimum last year and then the team gave up on him.

I think he might be the guy most likely to leave though...been on the team the least and we have a lot of wings and Nader who was out for awhile when we got Craig I believe. Nader's young with some upside though not quite the defender or rebounder as Craig...though he is a high energy guy and played well at times.

[DRK]

I think we Re-sign Payne for 3/24, and resign CP for a frontloaded 3/90 contract.

As CP trends down he can time-share starters minutes with Payne, and the 3 year contract gives Payne 3 years of tutorage under CP3 and a chance for a big contract at 28 years old.

I think it'll be hard to keep Craig on the books. Alot fo teams need players like Craig that can defend multiple positions, hit the 3, and do the dirty work. Someone will offer him 3/21 and he will have to take it., and I dont think the Suns match.

You think Craig's worth almost as much as Payne? I wonder why no one offered Craig anything after he played in Denver and even started some, even in the playoffs? Seems like that is about as much exposure as you can get. Then the Bucks didn't even think he was worth keeping.

I don't think he will make that much. Not sure why he would if he could barely get the minimum last year and then the team gave up on him.

I think he might be the guy most likely to leave though...been on the team the least and we have a lot of wings and Nader who was out for awhile when we got Craig I believe. Nader's young with some upside though not quite the defender or rebounder as Craig...though he is a high energy guy and played well at times.

I think so. He's shown he can defend multiple positions in these playoffs, and also hit the three-ball somewhat. You can never have too many guys that can defend multiple positions, and bring energy.

If Al Farouq Aminu can get 3/30, I think a younger Craig with some more upside is worth someone throwing the MLE at... Someone like Portland, or Denver (ironic), I could see a good fit there.
Hope he stays though, he obviously loves the city and the city loves him.

[darealjuice]

I can't imagine Craig making $7M a year when he just signed a minimum contract last offseason and was dumped for $100K during the season. I like the idea of keeping him for depth, but I would also like to see Jalen Smith earn his some playing time and for us to use our MLE to shore up the front court.

I hope keeping Cam Payne around is important to us. He's proven that he's a high end bench player all year, and while being the successor to CP3 might be too much to ask for, he'll only be 27 next season. He's definitely becoming a fan favorite and has earned his pay day, hopefully we're the ones writing the check.

[Saberestar]

I think we Re-sign Payne for 3/24, and resign CP for a frontloaded 3/90 contract.

As CP trends down he can time-share starters minutes with Payne, and the 3 year contract gives Payne 3 years of tutorage under CP3 and a chance for a big contract at 28 years old.

I think it'll be hard to keep Craig on the books. Alot fo teams need players like Craig that can defend multiple positions, hit the 3, and do the dirty work. Someone will offer him 3/21 and he will have to take it., and I dont think the Suns match.

You think Craig's worth almost as much as Payne? I wonder why no one offered Craig anything after he played in Denver and even started some, even in the playoffs? Seems like that is about as much exposure as you can get. Then the Bucks didn't even think he was worth keeping.

I don't think he will make that much. Not sure why he would if he could barely get the minimum last year and then the team gave up on him.

I think he might be the guy most likely to leave though...been on the team the least and we have a lot of wings and Nader who was out for awhile when we got Craig I believe. Nader's young with some upside though not quite the defender or rebounder as Craig...though he is a high energy guy and played well at times.

I think so. He's shown he can defend multiple positions in these playoffs, and also hit the three-ball somewhat. You can never have too many guys that can defend multiple positions, and bring energy.

If Al Farouq Aminu can get 3/30, I think a younger Craig with some more upside is worth someone throwing the MLE at... Someone like Portland, or Denver (ironic), I could see a good fit there.
Hope he stays though, he obviously loves the city and the city loves him.

Craig is 30 years old, like Al Farouq Aminu.

I doubt he gets that money, he is nice for 15 mpg but he is a limited player on offense.

I like him so I would love to bring him back, we need all our wings back. Four of them in the rotation and another one (Nader) waiting for injuries, foul problems...

[lilfishi22]

I don't see Craig worth that much. He's been good for us in spurts as a great energy guy who can defend, rebound and cut but he isn't a substantially different player to what he was with the Nuggets and he signed with the Bucks for basically a minimum deal. I don't think he's played himself into a $7m contract. Maybe BAE level?

[Barkley6]

I don't see Craig worth that much. He's been good for us in spurts as a great energy guy who can defend, rebound and cut but he isn't a substantially different player to what he was with the Nuggets and he signed with the Bucks for basically a minimum deal. I don't think he's played himself into a $7m contract. Maybe BAE level?

I think Craig and the BAE make too much sense. He'll appreciate the pay raise, and the 2 year security, and we'll appreciate the hustle, tough D and shooting.

As for Nader, being out with a knee injury this long is going to really depress his market. No one is paying above the minimum unless he somehow returns in the playoff, plays decent minutes and plays well.

Kaminsky for me is easy to bring back on the minimum. He's a great insurance big and can play some solid minutes from time to time.

If there were a Dwight Howard, or Carmelo Anthony that wanted to come here, I think we let Frank and/or Nader walk. But barring that, wee keep those guys.

We then have the MLE and our draft pick to add to the team to replace Galloway and Moore. I think we add a guard and a big with those two slots, but depending on the big market, we might not even need to use the full MLE, could probably snag a serviceable one for 2/10.

[DRK]

Either way, I think we clear a few roster spots for ring chasing vets, who will take a discount to try and win a chip. If one is a big, its easy to let Frank go. While I like Galloway, we didn't use him right, so he is easy to cut as well. As far as the draft, it would depend who is there. Our culture is finally a place to develop players, it would be a shame to waste it.

Danny Green, Kent Bazemore, Batum are guys that may come to mind.

[lilfishi22]

I don't see Craig worth that much. He's been good for us in spurts as a great energy guy who can defend, rebound and cut but he isn't a substantially different player to what he was with the Nuggets and he signed with the Bucks for basically a minimum deal. I don't think he's played himself into a $7m contract. Maybe BAE level?

I think Craig and the BAE make too much sense. He'll appreciate the pay raise, and the 2 year security, and we'll appreciate the hustle, tough D and shooting.

As for Nader, being out with a knee injury this long is going to really depress his market. No one is paying above the minimum unless he somehow returns in the playoff, plays decent minutes and plays well.

Kaminsky for me is easy to bring back on the minimum. He's a great insurance big and can play some solid minutes from time to time.

If there were a Dwight Howard, or Carmelo Anthony that wanted to come here, I think we let Frank and/or Nader walk. But barring that, wee keep those guys.

We then have the MLE and our draft pick to add to the team to replace Galloway and Moore. I think we add a guard and a big with those two slots, but depending on the big market, we might not even need to use the full MLE, could probably snag a serviceable one for 2/10.

Yeah I think BAE sounds about right for him. I just like the energy and random 8 rebound/2 block games in 15min from him. I'm also a fan of Nader from his contributions from before his injury but given he and Craig are largely the same type of energy defender/rebounder, I don't think we need to keep him.

I'm all for bringing Tank back.

I'm intrigued by Melo. I was never a fan of his during his prime years (Nuggets were unlikeable during the late 2000's and early 2010's) but after his redemption seasons when he was fighting to stay in the league I thought he was humbled and I gained a level of respect for him. Wouldn't mind bringing him in for some veteran leadership and to shore up the front court although he probably won't get much PT. He and CP3 are long time good mates and they had discussed playing together in NY in the past. Would make sense imo.

I want nothing to do with Dwight. Never liked him as a player and I don't think he's a good character to bring into the locker room.

[lilfishi22]

Either way, I think we clear a few roster spots for ring chasing vets, who will take a discount to try and win a chip. If one is a big, its easy to let Frank go. While I like Galloway, we didn't use him right, so he is easy to cut as well. As far as the draft, it would depend who is there. Our culture is finally a place to develop players, it would be a shame to waste it.

Danny Green, Kent Bazemore, Batum are guys that may come to mind.

I like all of those names. Good culture vets with a good mix of 3&D.

Honestly, I think we'll have a few decent surprise FA's that previously wouldn't even look our way, now come to us wanting to play with the guy for cheap.

[AtheJ415]

Budenholzer is a disaster in the playoffs. PJ, Giannis, Connaughton, Holiday, and Middleton were the guys on the floor that allowed those 3 3 point attempts on one possession. Trae was idiotically chucking deep 3s down 4 and Milwaukee had 4 guys in the paint v. 1-2 Hawks and didn't box out at all and halfheartedly jogged to the ball on rebounds. Cost them the game. We may luck out and get Atlanta if those guys keep this up.

Budenholzer allowed 3 alley oop dunks in a row with Portis guarding nobody on the PnR. Budenholzer is a disaster right now.

[suns12345]

Either way, I think we clear a few roster spots for ring chasing vets, who will take a discount to try and win a chip. If one is a big, its easy to let Frank go. While I like Galloway, we didn't use him right, so he is easy to cut as well. As far as the draft, it would depend who is there. Our culture is finally a place to develop players, it would be a shame to waste it.

Danny Green, Kent Bazemore, Batum are guys that may come to mind.

I like all of those names. Good culture vets with a good mix of 3&D.

Honestly, I think we'll have a few decent surprise FA's that previously wouldn't even look our way, now come to us wanting to play with the guy for cheap.

Huge pass on kent bazemore, that guy seems as boneheaded as they come... But of course, ive been wrong many times before

but yeh, some of those guys would be good.

[lilfishi22]

Danny Green, Kent Bazemore, Batum are guys that may come to mind.

I like all of those names. Good culture vets with a good mix of 3&D.

Honestly, I think we'll have a few decent surprise FA's that previously wouldn't even look our way, now come to us wanting to play with the guy for cheap.

Huge pass on kent bazemore, that guy seems as boneheaded as they come... But of course, ive been wrong many times before

but yeh, some of those guys would be good.

Bazemore wouldn't play many minutes. He would be behind CP3, Book, Cam and the other wings. He'd play Gallo minutes

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think Payne could find a decent contract this summer, he 26 and a guy who can hit 3s and get to the hole on a pick and roll is valuable in today's NBA. It's possible he gets something above the $10ish mil the suns can offer with early bird rights and if he does I wouldn't blame him for taking it.

I'd love a 2yr 20 mil type deal. Could make sense for both sides, suns keep some flexibility going forward and if Payne keeps assending as a player he get a bigger payday in 2 years.

If they do happen to lose Payne then backup PG is absolutely the #1 priority add this off-season.

Craig I'd bring back on if he's cheap, minimum or something Carters deal. He too might find more on the open market and if so I'd let him walk.

I think the suns will keep the core of this team together but they should definitely turn some of the roster. It's good to get some fresh blood in to keep things from getting stale.


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